Weird thing about Windows 11

[Macro Device]

The PC in my system specs works wonders in Windows 10 if I don't push the CPU beyond certain frequency (3700 MHz as of now) since it has degraded a bit.

Windows 11, however, only works correctly until some moment (5 minutes at worst; 5 weeks at best) and after that, I get fricked hard as my CPU is no longer stable with all cores enabled. Yet it works perfectly fine with 5 (of 8) cores being active.

Both systems are being installed the same way (TPM disabled, OEM key) and from the same source (official M$ download centre), and both W10 and W11 are the same category (Pro Education) with the latest patches as of August '23.

Both are used the same way: web browsing, writing, music listening, meme creating, and of course, gaming.

I suspect my CPU in being a culprit, yet I'm too tight on budget for buying a proper i7 (and don't wanna buy an i3). I mean, it is probably related to its "Engineering Sample" status.

What else could lead to such behaviour?

 

[Solaris17]

since it has degraded a bit.

I get fricked hard as my CPU is no longer stable with all cores enabled.

I suspect my CPU in being a culprit

its "Engineering Sample" status.

I mean everything about this points to CPU. Unfortunately. Windows 11 schedulers were improved a great deal and is likely why you are seeing a more pronounced issue on it.

I know most people want , really want, 11 to be the bad guy. In this case though just look at what you said. Engineering sample that has known degradation and had to be down locked or have cores disabled by you. What do you think the problem is?

unfortunately not having the finances to replace it doesn’t mean something else has to be the problem.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
If the MB socket pins are fine hell 10/ 11 series chips are pretty cheap now days but yeah budget does rule the day

Only other items different from 10 and 11 are windows defender related which if it starts scanning/... it would make things more unstable on the system if there's an issue.
You can try using throttlestop WD counter control to reset WD and see if that makes any difference

Counter Control 1.2 Download

Counter Control is a small program that will monitor the fixed performance counters on Intel processors. Microsoft's Windows Defender anti-virus so

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[Macro Device]

I know most people want , really want, 11 to be the bad guy.

I want the bad guy to begone whoever he is. My main suspect is my CPU of course.

 

[Assimilator]

You posted the same thread back in July and we told you then to replace your broken-ass CPU. I don't understand what you expect to have changed between now and then.

And please don't come with the "can't afford a replacement CPU" sob story again, since you apparently had no trouble purchasing a 6700 XT which, last time I checked, is more expensive.

 

[Frick]

Get it stable and use it gimped until you can get a new (used) CPU. No biggie.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I'm too tight on budget for buying a proper i7 (and don't wanna buy an i3)

I have to agree with @Assimilator. You are complaining (again) about what is essentially a "beta" copy not doing what you [unrealistically] want it to do. As for your tight budget - most of us don't have bottomless pockets. No one is forcing you to buy a "new" i7. And no one is forcing you to go for an i3. There are many excellent, and affordable i5 processors that surely will meet your "needs" just fine - assuming your motherboard is fully compatible with W11.

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I know most people want , really want, 11 to be the bad guy.

Ain't that the truth.

In all fairness, the OP did say throughout he suspected the CPU - though not sure it is fair for anyone to suggest pre-release test samples should be compatible with anything - let alone the most recent operating systems, or be upset when not.

And I also note, Microsoft could be a little more open(?) in how they "market" W11 in terms of compatibility with hardware that came out before the W11 release date.

However, Microsoft is good at releasing to manufacturers, specs and protocols to ensure compatibility for "future" products. So it really is up to those HW and SW manufacturers and developers to ensure their products are compatible, or else don't market them as such. And for sure, it is up to manufacturers to develop compatible drivers for their legacy products. It is NOT Microsoft's fault if HP refuses to develop W11 drivers for their 10 year old printing devices.

FTR - I do NOT blame Microsoft for not supporting legacy products in their newest versions of the Windows operating system. Even though this lack of support often means extra costs for consumers to upgrade our hardware, we consumers need to remember and heed the lessons learned by Microsoft and Windows XP.

Tired of the expense of retooling every time a new OS came out, big industry demanded XP support legacy [and insecure] DOS era hardware and software. At the same time, Microsoft wanted to include anti-virus code in XP but Norton, McAfee, CA, TrendMicro whined and cried to Congress and the EU that Microsoft was trying to monopolize and rule the world. Microsoft was, but that's another issue. Norton and the others claimed it was their job to rid the world of malware (we see how well that went! ).

So Microsoft was forced to include DOS era HW and SW support or risk sales plummeting, and remove any anti-virus code in XP or risk being broken up Ma Bell style. Then what happened? The bad guys moved in, proliferated (thanks in part to broadband to the home) and took over.

But who got blamed for all those security woes?

Big business? Nope!​

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"Click happy" users? Nope!​

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Norton, McAfee and the others for failing to do what they claimed was their job? Nope!​

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The bad guys? Nope!!!! Not even the bad guys!!! ​

Microsoft got blamed - relentlessly for the next decade and longer.

So, Microsoft would MUCH RATHER get blamed today for failing to support legacy products and for making Windows less customizable, then to be accused and blamed for a lack of security - again. And I don't blame them.

Not buying any of that? Then ask yourself the following:

Question 1. What financial incentive do Norton, McAfee and the others have to rid the world of malware?​

Answer: None. If malware goes away, they go out of business.​

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Question 2. What incentive does Microsoft have to "now" include free security in Windows and rid the world of malware?​

Answer: They will stopped getting blamed in the IT media and by MS bashers for the nefarious actions of the bad guys.​

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Question 3. Why has Congress and the EU (and Norton, McAfee, et al) kept their traps shut about Microsoft now including antimalware security code in Windows?​

Answer: Because they know (but won't admit) they blew it with XP.​

 

[Macro Device]

I don't understand what you expect to have changed between now and then.

I thought I made it clear. One OS is way more stable than another. I'm asking if the CPU is the only possible reason. That's all. No need to be so much aggressive.

And please don't come with the "can't afford a replacement CPU" sob story again, since you apparently had no trouble purchasing a 6700 XT which, last time I checked, is more expensive.

I was filthy rich compared to what I am now 9 months ago when I bought that GPU. Lost my job in May, was jobless the whole summer (my fault, not gonna lie), now I can't afford a new CPU. That's just a fact, not a sob story.

There are many excellent, and affordable i5 processors that surely will meet your "needs" just fine - assuming your motherboard is fully compatible with W11.

They are $5 cheaper than i7s where I live. Makes no sense to buy an i5.

to suggest pre-release test samples should be compatible with anything

I didn't suggest, I genuinely stated I suspect it being an engineering sample to be a reason why it's unstable.

be upset when not.

I'm definitely not upset. Just curious.

The rest of your passage is not about me. I'm only blaming me for not being rich enough to buy a "real" i9 when I was upgrading my system.

 

[Bill_Bright]

The rest of your passage is not about me.

For the most part, my comments were speaking to the crowd and not you specifically. My point being, expectations must not be unrealistically elevated when using beta, experimental, pre-release test samples of anything - speaking to you, and the crowd.

 

[LabRat 891]

IMO, CPU is ded/dying. (Might be able to give 'er more voltage and keep the clocks low/stable, but it sounds badly degraded)
I had very similar issues w/ my 5600 as it let out its last breaths.

Thankfully, AMD RMA'd it with little hassle. However, in your case (being Intel, ES and non-US), you're kinda SoL. :/

 

[Macro Device]

dying

Yeah, it is but veeeeeeeery slowly.

keep the clocks low/stable

This is how I do it.

you're kinda SoL

When I paid that low for that CPU I didn't expect it to work in the first place. Now, two years later, I'm still having this CPU crunching my tasks one by one. Was it the best deal? Probably not. Am I happy? Definitely yes. Decided to take a couple overtimes and borrow some cabbage so I could get myself an i7-11700KF. This ES defo won't die in a week.

 

[Macro Device]

Got myself a properly working i5-12400F.

The Windows 11 itself is behaving well but now I'm having ultimate CTDs with further driver death upon playing Cyberpunk + Cyber Engine Tweaks. Previously, it only happened with vsync on, now it happens regardless of vsync status. Mod devs labelled this issue as "will never fix, it's AMD's drivers to blame" and we all know how AMD fix their drivers... So no CET for me.

 

[Toothless]

Got myself a properly working i5-12400F.

The Windows 11 itself is behaving well but now I'm having ultimate CTDs with further driver death upon playing Cyberpunk + Cyber Engine Tweaks. Previously, it only happened with vsync on, now it happens regardless of vsync status. Mod devs labelled this issue as "will never fix, it's AMD's drivers to blame" and we all know how AMD fix their drivers... So no CET for me.

Never had this issue with 2077 on multiple AMD cards and any bug they had in other games, were fixed. DDU while offline and reinstall drivers. (I'm sure it's been done already but never hurts to try with newest release)

 

[Macro Device]

Never had this issue with 2077 on multiple AMD cards and any bug they had in other games, were fixed. DDU while offline and reinstall drivers. (I'm sure it's been done already but never hurts to try with newest release)

I can DDU my drivers for a million years straight over and over and over and over again but this doesn't change anything. Cyberpunk just ALWAYS dies if I have CET + vsync. And with current W11, it doesn't even need vsync for it.

Never had this issue with 2077 on multiple AMD cards and any bug they had in other games, were fixed. DDU while offline and reinstall drivers. (I'm sure it's been done already but never hurts to try with newest release)

Upd: installed the latest preview drivers (previously had 23.11.1) after DDU and I'm currently back to what I had on Windows 10: works normally with vsync off, always dies with vsync on.