Why is it Extremely hard these days to find good waterblock reviews ??

[candymancan21]

Been watercooling for 23 years.. back in the day we had only a few choices.. dangerden blocks and maybe 1 other competitor.. Now we have so many companies tjat make blocks.

But i cannot for the life of me find reviews for anything. Only a bunch of newer EK blocks versus their even newer blocks.. versus 1 or other brands. 90% of the reviews are just.. hey look at this box.. look at this shiney block.. Look at it mounted and glowing.. but no teperature reading... How do these youtubers and websites have so many followers...


I cant find reviews for older AM4 suoremacy blocks versus their new blocks. How is not reviewing this going to help anyone with an older block ? It makes no sense. I cant find a single review with EK supremacy versus a techn block versus ek newest block.. why ?? Theyre just comparing new vs new... how the hell dies that help anyone wanting to upgrade.

Thermaltake blocks ? I cant find ONE single actual temoerature review for their newer mx2 block with the lcd screen. I cant find any reviews with optimus block vs older blocks. Or a single review anything else.

Its like everyone is just so caught up in video cards.. No one does reviews for cooling anymore.

I am beyond frustrated pulling my hair out.. trying to figure.. CAN i get better temoeratures upgrading ny supremacy evo to a tech n block. Or thermaltake. Or optimus, or Rainjintek blocks.

Its so annoying. No one has even done a review for blocks on a 5800x 3d cpus.. Sorry for my rant but damn

 

[ir_cow]

Yep, I had this problem for years as well. I just go with the top brands (EKWB, Alphacool, Bitspower and Watercool.) based on whatever I think looks the best at this point. My personal computer has thee of those lol . They all basically perform the same these days. cooper block + water. Only thing worth reviewing is the radiators and pumps these days from a perf point of view. That's my opinion anyways.

I remember when I first got into watercooling. found a site that cut the blocks and radiators in half to make sure it was up to spec. Did PSI tests with graphs in full loops. It stopped getting new content and vanished. No idea what it was called.

 

[Lei]

I would like to know how 14cm fans cool better than 12.
For example a triple rad 42 vs a 36

And how does pull push vs push.
And what's the % difference between airflow and static pressure

Or 0.5 liter reservoir vs 18L

RGB influence on thermals and performance. Does dyeing increase temp? Is Blue colder than Red.
Does a copper block really kill an aluminium rad?

What happens if I use pure drinking water with no biocide nor anti-corrosive added.
GPU first or CPU. Is it better to put a rad between them or a single long rad performs better.
Do two double rads cool the same as a Quad rad.
Is a triple rad better than a thick double rad.

 

[OneMoar]

because all of these questions have been answered to death
and it geniunely doesn't matter anymore

manufacturers have waterblocks pretty much figured out

 

[thewan]

Because they are bloody expensive to do a comparison for. Why don't you buy all the waterblocks you want to compare and send them over to your favorite reviewer then, together with the hardware configuration you want to test them on. Review sites aren't getting as much income as they used to, which is you see many slowly dying off, or dead, or got bought over. Time for you to sponsor them and show them your support!

 

[candymancan21]

Yet they get plenty of 4090s and 7900xts tossed at em right.. Jayz2cents is a watercooling guru.. but niw he just sits there doing nothing in his vids collecting free video cards and cpus to review to death

 

[maxfly]

Your best bet is to check out the reviews you can find. And compare them as well as possible to what your looking at buying or are interested in hardware wise. Your probably only going to see a 5-7c improvement by buying a new all nickel/copper block anyhow. So I wouldn't break the bank with a new shiny.
The supremacy is just old in block years. Not performance metrics. Its still solid but ek has to make money. I've got a full nickel supremacy that I would still be using but curiosity kills the cat. I didn't gain anything by side grading to a heatkiller IV other than the ability to upgrade it to socket 1700. Something ek won't allow me to do with my supremacy. So it will eventually go into a backup rig one of these days. Sad but that's the nature of the game now.

 

[GerKNG]

Because barely anyone spends 600+€ to have a maintenance heavy cooling system that has zero benefit over a hundred € AIO. So nobody reviews something that barely gets sold.

 

[Lei]

Because barely anyone spends 600+€ to have a maintenance heavy cooling system that has zero benefit over a hundred € AIO. So nobody reviews something that barely gets sold.

Doesn't make sense, it's like saying no one reviews an Steinway Piano, because nearly everyone chooses Mp3

 

[Kapone33]

Because barely anyone spends 600+€ to have a maintenance heavy cooling system that has zero benefit over a hundred € AIO. So nobody reviews something that barely gets sold.

They could at least do the CPU blocks there are plenty of them now. We have seen reviews for Corsair but you have to be in it to know about Byiski or even Alphacool. I do feel that the size and power draw of modern Video cards is part of the reason that there has been an increase in the interest of a few users on where they can find information.

Because they are bloody expensive to do a comparison for. Why don't you buy all the waterblocks you want to compare and send them over to your favorite reviewer then, together with the hardware configuration you want to test them on. Review sites aren't getting as much income as they used to, which is you see many slowly dying off, or dead, or got bought over. Time for you to sponsor them and show them your support!

Is that not part of the responsibility of the media? The interest in GPU watercooling has seemed to have increased. Maybe it's size and power draw of the modern high end card. It's not like 4090s and 7900XTX are not expensive to begin with. We have dedicated threads for Water cooling why not reviews.

 

[Outback Bronze]

Been watercooling for 23 years..

Gees I thought I'd been doing it a while with a socket 478 kit (waterchill)

What socket did you originally start on if you don't mind me asking?

Yes, wasn't many options back in the day. We've come a long way.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Been watercooling for 23 years.. back in the day we had only a few choices.. dangerden blocks and maybe 1 other competitor.. Now we have so many companies tjat make blocks.

But i cannot for the life of me find reviews for anything. Only a bunch of newer EK blocks versus their even newer blocks.. versus 1 or other brands. 90% of the reviews are just.. hey look at this box.. look at this shiney block.. Look at it mounted and glowing.. but no teperature reading... How do these youtubers and websites have so many followers...


I cant find reviews for older AM4 suoremacy blocks versus their new blocks. How is not reviewing this going to help anyone with an older block ? It makes no sense. I cant find a single review with EK supremacy versus a techn block versus ek newest block.. why ?? Theyre just comparing new vs new... how the hell dies that help anyone wanting to upgrade.

Thermaltake blocks ? I cant find ONE single actual temoerature review for their newer mx2 block with the lcd screen. I cant find any reviews with optimus block vs older blocks. Or a single review anything else.

Its like everyone is just so caught up in video cards.. No one does reviews for cooling anymore.

I am beyond frustrated pulling my hair out.. trying to figure.. CAN i get better temoeratures upgrading ny supremacy evo to a tech n block. Or thermaltake. Or optimus, or Rainjintek blocks.

Its so annoying. No one has even done a review for blocks on a 5800x 3d cpus.. Sorry for my rant but damn

I've used an EK block on my Vega64 since nearly new and in use it doesn't get above 45 after 5 days at 100%.
So good yaa.
My supremacy's good too it's just harder to tell since I need to clean out my radiators tbh, it's never gone above 86 fully loaded for 5 days.

I rate my radiators at 60% effective at the moment.

EK good yaa.

But that's anecdotal so not as good as a review sorry.

 

[Lei]

Is that not part of the responsibility of the media? The interest in GPU watercooling has seemed to have increased. Maybe it's size and power draw of the modern high end card. It's not like 4090s and 7900XTX are not expensive to begin with. We have dedicated threads for Water cooling why not reviews.

May be they're afraid if they tame the heat, Nvidia will see the green light for making 1000w+ gpus.

 

[joemama]

The main reason should be that there are too many variables within a custom loop that could affect the performance so the review would be useless.
Other factors include that the market is small, the performance difference is small, it's basically a waste of time to do reviews on waterblocks.

 

[Kapone33]

The main reason should be that there are too many variables within a custom loop that could affect the performance so the review would be useless.
Other factors include that the market is small, the performance difference is small, it's basically a waste of time to do reviews on waterblocks.

Did you just say the performance difference between a GPU on water vs air is no different?

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Gets expensive seeing some cpu water blocks aren't universal on even intel platforms so you'd have to get a lot of free samples offered
So yeah I personally wouldn't buy any thing that wasn't as universal as possible gpu water blocks aside seeing these are a very different animal.

Then you get into all the different cpu's/ mother board platforms and this is even more expensive venture to do reviews

I'd usually just look at local buying options and if nothing tickled my needs than look outward.
EK has pretty much priced themselves out of the market or at least my buying market choice.

Edit,
TPU does get the more expensive ek cpu blocks to test
But not the much cheap and I believe better or just as good optimus cpu blocks to test guessing they didn't request some samples to test all these years they've been on the market ?

 

[Kapone33]

Hi,
Gets expensive seeing some cpu water blocks aren't universal on even intel platforms so you'd have to get a lot of free samples offered
So yeah I personally wouldn't buy any thing that wasn't as universal as possible gpu water blocks aside seeing these are a very different animal.

Then you get into all the different cpu's/ mother board platforms and this is even more expensive venture to do reviews

I'd usually just look at local buying options and if nothing tickled my needs than look outward.
EK has pretty much priced themselves out of the market or at least my buying market choice.

That is my issue though. If you use a different product we don't need to see (not that we do) every variant of a GPU like the 3080 or 6800XT. We do get reviews for all of most of them but it's not like reviewers don't already have access to multiple platforms anyway. We did get reviews for most of Corsair's offerings though.

 

[ThrashZone]

That is my issue though. If you use a different product we don't need to see (not that we do) every variant of a GPU like the 3080 or 6800XT. We do get reviews for all of most of them but it's not like reviewers don't already have access to multiple platforms anyway. We did get reviews for most of Corsair's offerings though.

Hi,
Samples well we can only see who is sending them to be reviewed
Or tpu is requesting blocks from ?

 

[ir_cow]

RGB influence on thermals and performance.

No difference. LEDs are 5 watts max for the whole block

Does dyeing increase temp?

Not for just color.

Is Blue colder than Red.

?

Does a copper block really kill an aluminium rad?

YES! Do not do this. It's actually the other way around..still can't mix aluminum with copper or nickel. Maybe brass can mix with aluminum?

What happens if I use pure drinking water with no biocide nor anti-corrosive added.

Nothing. I use distilled water for years now. Just swap it out every 6 months.

 

[VSG]

Hi,
Gets expensive seeing some cpu water blocks aren't universal on even intel platforms so you'd have to get a lot of free samples offered
So yeah I personally wouldn't buy any thing that wasn't as universal as possible gpu water blocks aside seeing these are a very different animal.

Then you get into all the different cpu's/ mother board platforms and this is even more expensive venture to do reviews

I'd usually just look at local buying options and if nothing tickled my needs than look outward.
EK has pretty much priced themselves out of the market or at least my buying market choice.

Edit,
TPU does get the more expensive ek cpu blocks to test
But not the much cheap and I believe better or just as good optimus cpu blocks to test guessing they didn't request some samples to test all these years they've been on the market ?

Optimus just keeps saying they don't have enough stock to send out review samples so I gave up. I did cover two Optimus CPU blocks for the previous generation before moving out of the US and I don't have them any more.

 

[OneMoar]

if you don't have enough stock to send out review samples
then what are ya doing .....

 

[ir_cow]

if you don't have enough stock to send out review samples
then what are ya doing .....

Because they sell either way.

 

[ThrashZone]

Optimus just keeps saying they don't have enough stock to send out review samples so I gave up. I did cover two Optimus CPU blocks for the previous generation before moving out of the US and I don't have them any more.

Hi,
Yep think optimus have gone the youtubers route frankly
Seeing these are the cheapest cpu water blocks "foundation series" anyway around and in the tech N price range product reviews are back to my first comment reviews can be an expensive prospect if no samples are given.

if you don't have enough stock to send out review samples
then what are ya doing .....

Selling faster than manufacturing although Chicago covid lock downs were not pretty and didn't help optimus one bit on production side.

These are not "Socket-specific" cpu water blocks so a optimus cpu water block from 3-4 years ago can still be used on intel 1700 socket
Not sure about new amd but wouldn't be surprised if they to were still compatible

 

[OneMoar]

it is a water block
it is a squarish chunk of metal some fittings and a Oring
what exactly is the hold up
no what we have is a company that sucks

why on gods green earth would I buy your product if you can't even make a handful to send out for reviews
especially because you are effectively a minor player

beeteeesdubs: nearly every water block is universal
this company is stupid and this thread is stupid
I bid you good`day

 

[ir_cow]

I would like to see large comparison sets, but it's just not going to happen unless TPU buys all the blocks. This is because as I said before these blocks will sell out either way and and these companies don't need reviews. Considering it's kinda niche already, it financially does not make sense for either party.

I'm speaking from my personal viewpoint on this just to be clear.