Will I get better speed on a SAS 29 pin Cable to Dual Lane SATA Data and Molex Power or Single SATA

[skippy258]

Will I get better speed on a SAS 29 pin Cable to Dual Lane SATA Data and Molex Power or on a Single SATA cable?

SAS 29 pin Cable to Dual Lane SATA Data and Molex Power


SAS 29 pin Cable to Single Lane SATA Data and Molex Power

 

[T-Bob]

It's hard to give a realistic answer since you ask such a vague question. Though I will try, the dual lane cable is normally used for mission critical drives and called a "fail over cable". This way one single point of failure will not degrade or cause the drive to fail. These cables are used at times to both provide redundant connections to the host and speed-up transmissions but this is not the norm.

What SAS controller do you have? What type of drive do you have for this application?

 

[skippy258]

It's hard to give a realistic answer since you ask such a vague question. Though I will try, the dual lane cable is normally used for mission critical drives and called a "fail over cable". This way one single point of failure will not degrade or cause the drive to fail. These cables are used at times to both provide redundant connections to the host and speed-up transmissions but this is not the norm.

What SAS controller do you have? What type of drive do you have for this application?

Thanks, so would I have to use the 2 cables in raid for that drive to work with the SAS 29 pin Cable to Dual Lane SATA Data and Molex Power?

A drive just like this I brought:

 

[T-Bob]

First, Do you have an SAS raid controller to connect this drive to? I ask because it appears that you are trying to connect a SAS drive via a SATA port and that will NOT work.

 

[skippy258]

First, Do you have an SAS raid controller to connect this drive to? I ask because it appears that you are trying to connect a SAS drive via a SATA port and that will NOT work.

Yeah I have raid software that comes with this board, I have never used it. The motherboard I have is a SuperMicro AMD Opteron 6272 H8DGI-F.
Dose not say in the specs it has raid, now you bring it up.
On-Board Devices
SATA AMD SP5100 (RAID 0, 1, 10)

Motherboard link: http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron6000/SR56x0/H8DGi-F.cfm

Edit: The SAS 29 pin Cable to Single Lane SATA Data and Molex Power should work I have 1 coming in a few days... I hope it works... But I was also looking at the SAS 29 pin Cable to Dual Lane SATA Data and Molex Power as well but thought I would ask here first.

Also noticed that my SATA ports are 3.0GB/s I thought they were 6.0GB/s

 

[T-Bob]

Yeah i have raid software that comes with this board I have never used it the motherboard i have is a SuperMicro AMD Opteron 6272 H8DGI-F.
Dose not say in the specs it has raid now you bring it up.
Motherboard link: http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron6000/SR56x0/H8DGi-F.cfm

Edit: The SAS 29 pin Cable to Single Lane SATA Data and Molex Power should work I have 1 coming in a few days... I hope it works... But I was also looking at the SAS 29 pin Cable to Dual Lane SATA Data and Molex Power as well but thought I would ask here first.

Unless I'm missing something, that mobo does NOT have SAS support and it will NOT work if you plug an SAS drive into a SATA port.

 

[skippy258]

Unless I'm missing something, that mobo does NOT have SAS support and it will NOT work if you plug an SAS drive into a SATA port.

I looked up this server Brochure and they use my board found this info on page 4 •LSI 2008 SAS 2.0 (6Gb/s)8-port Controller; RAID 0, 1, 10; RAID5(optional) Is this a function built into the board or do i have to buy a 8 port controller, in i'm a little confused

http://www.supermicro.com/manuals/brochure/brochure_aplus.pdf
Key Features
•Dual AMD Opteron™ 6000 Series processors (Socket G34)16/12/8/4-Core ready
•3.2 GHz HyperTransport (HT3.0) Link
•Up to 512GB of DDR3 Registered ECC 1600/1333/1066 or 128GB of DDR3 Unbuffered ECC/non-ECC SDRAM in 16 DIMM Slots
•3 PCI-E 2.0x16, 1 PCI-E 2.0 x8,2 PCI-E 2.0 x4 (in x8)slots
•LSI 2008 SAS 2.0 (6Gb/s)8-port Controller; RAID 0, 1, 10; RAID5(optional)
•6 SATA 2.0 (3Gb/s), RAID0, 1, 10
•8 USB 2.0ports (2Rear, 2 headers (4 ports), 2 TypeA)
•2 Gigabit Ethernet LAN with Intel®82576 Controller
•Integrated Matrox G200eW graphics
•Winbond WPCM450 IPMI2.0Support
•12” x 13” EATX form factor

 

[Disparia]

Yeah, the H8DG6-F. You linked the H8DGi-F earlier.

Also, that board uses a pair of Mini-SAS ports. I have seen Mini-SAS to dual-port SAS x2 cables before, if you really want to go that route.

-edit-

 

[skippy258]

Yeah, the H8DG6-F. You linked the H8DGi-F earlier.

Also, that board uses a pair of Mini-SAS ports. I have seen Mini-SAS to dual-port SAS x2 cables before, if you really want to go that route.

Yeah i just seen that in the brochure RAID Support AOC-SAS2-RAID5-KEY (H8DG6(-F) only) not my H8DGI-F

Do you have any links to info on the Mini-SAS setup your talking about that might help me out.
EDIT: I see your edit added photo. Alot of the cables I been looking at can also be found on this site: https://www.datastoragecables.com/sata/sata-sas/ this might be a different way of doing it

 

[Disparia]

Found it from an image search, the link leads here: http://www.datastoragecables.com/sas/internal/minisas36-sasdrive-x2/I3629X2-M-2.html

Though if you're really set on using that drive and have the H8DGi-F, you'll need to get an additional controller and that may not be the cable you'll end up using.

 

[skippy258]

Found it from an image search, the link leads here: http://www.datastoragecables.com/sas/internal/minisas36-sasdrive-x2/I3629X2-M-2.html

Though if you're really set on using that drive and have the H8DGi-F, you'll need to get an additional controller and that may not be the cable you'll end up using.

Controller like this one Link: http://www.addonics.com/products/ad2ms6gpx8.php

 

[Disparia]

Yeah, with a SAS controller you should be able to use your drive. I hesitate to say that it will definitely work given that I can't find any information on it besides your picture.

Specifically regarding dual-port, I can't say too much as I've never done it. Just never needed that level of redundancy nor have I had a drive that would really benefit from it.

 

[skippy258]

Yeah, with a SAS controller you should be able to use your drive. I hesitate to say that it will definitely work given that I can't find any information on it besides your picture.

Specifically regarding dual-port, I can't say too much as I've never done it. Just never needed that level of redundancy nor have I had a drive that would really benefit from it.

This site will give you more spec's on the card Addonics AD2MS6GPX8 - Storage controller

Link: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1758736

More spec's on the card Addonics AD2EMSPCI Mini-SAS Converter
Link: http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/184284/..._ATTACHED_SCSI_(SAS)_C/Addonics/AD2EMSPCI.asp

 

[Disparia]

Oh, ha ha, I meant your Marshal hard drive.

But I also haven't used Addonics before either, I could take a look at it.

 

[T-Bob]

Controller like this one Link: http://www.addonics.com/products/ad2ms6gpx8.php

YES you will need a PCI-E SAS controller. Though, I wouldn't recommend the cards that you linked to. I personally would get a card with a LSI or Adaptec made SAS controller.
Look on ebay. You should be able to pick up an IBM M5014 card that has an LSI chipset for around $50 give or take. OH, and you will need a different cable also no matter which card you choose to purchase.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-SERVERA...LER-46M0918-/252023185051?hash=item3aadc09e9b

 

[skippy258]

Oh, ha ha, I meant your Marshal hard drive.

But I also haven't used Addonics before either, I could take a look at it.

Yeah i got the 4TB 7200 rpm HDD at a good price so I went out on a limb with getting that drive. As there are not a lot of reviews, I did ask about the drive on the forums here one of the reply's quote:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...-buffer-size-on-a-marshal-4tb-sas-hdd.214796/

It looks to be... a Company in Japan that sells products produced by Toshiba; however, they are branded Marshal...
The web page for [HDD discount market] shop.marshal-no1.jp
MARSHAL Corporation Hashizume Toshinari
Yubinbango101-0021, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Sotokanda
Three Sotokanda building
03-6803-0106

So hoping its a good drive being from a Japanese factory that produces for Toshiba .

 

[skippy258]

YES you will need a PCI-E SAS controller. Though, I wouldn't recommend the cards that you linked to. I personally would get a card with a LSI or Adaptec made SAS controller.
Look on ebay. You should be able to pick up an IBM M5014 card that has an LSI chipset for around $50 give or take. OH, and you will need a different cable also no matter which card you choose to purchase.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-SERVERA...LER-46M0918-/252023185051?hash=item3aadc09e9b

OK thanks for the heads up, I have been looking on eBay and the cheapest in Australia is $110 free postage same type of card like the one you linked me too.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/IBM-Serv...80?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item23544c38cc

Is the IBM ServeRAID MR10i chip any good or is it cheap and nasty?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/IBM-Serv...ard-43W4297-/281304766813?hash=item417f12195d

 

[T-Bob]

OK thanks for the heads up, I have been looking on eBay and the cheapest in Australia is $110 free postage same type of card like the one you linked me too.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/IBM-Serv...80?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item23544c38cc

Is the IBM ServeRAID MR10i chip any good or is it cheap and nasty?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/IBM-Serv...ard-43W4297-/281304766813?hash=item417f12195d

The IBM MR10i is an older model SAS card. It only supports 3 Gb/s transfer speeds. You can read all about it in the link below.
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks.nsf/RedbookAbstracts/tips0735.html

If you look at my system specs under (Benchmarks) is where I have my SAS raid card listed. Also, I have 15K rpm SAS drives connected to it and those drives have run 24/7 365 for around 4-5 years and I have never had any problems.

 

[skippy258]

YES you will need a PCI-E SAS controller. Though, I wouldn't recommend the cards that you linked to. I personally would get a card with a LSI or Adaptec made SAS controller.
Look on ebay. You should be able to pick up an IBM M5014 card that has an LSI chipset for around $50 give or take. OH, and you will need a different cable also no matter which card you choose to purchase.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-SERVERA...LER-46M0918-/252023185051?hash=item3aadc09e9b

My card you suggested is almost hear, but I just realised that it is not windows 7 compatible so I'm looking at buying a copy of windows 2003 server but will the R9 390 catalyst work on server2003?
Other then windows server or Linux server there are no drivers for this SAS card on standard OS's like windows 7 or 10

If you know of any modded windows 7 drivers for this card I would be grateful for your input.

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/technotes/tips0738.pdf Page 13 for supported OS list

 

[skippy258]

OK i have found out that the card is compatible with windows 7 after all.

My new problem is I can not see the drive in my computer but I can see it in device manager and when I populate the drive it says its there, but I can not access it.
Because I can not see the drive I can not format it ?

 

[skippy258]

OK i have found out that the card is compatible with windows 7 after all.

My new problem is I can not see the drive in my computer but I can see it in device manager and when I populate the drive it says its there, but I can not access it.
Because I can not see the drive I can not format it ?

I was able to work out that the drive had to be assigned a drive letter so I got the info I needed off this page to create the partition http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-add-remove-drive-letter#1TC=windows-7

Also download the latest LSI IBM megaraid storage manager v14.0from here https://delivery04.dhe.ibm.com/sar/CMA/XSA/04zhx/0/ibm_utl_msm_14.05.02.03_windows_32-64.exe for windows 7 x86 and x64

Finally got it going



Thanks for your help everyone.

 

[T-Bob]

My card you suggested is almost hear, but I just realised that it is not windows 7 compatible so I'm looking at buying a copy of windows 2003 server but will the R9 390 catalyst work on server2003?
Other then windows server or Linux server there are no drivers for this SAS card on standard OS's like windows 7 or 10

If you know of any modded windows 7 drivers for this card I would be grateful for your input.

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/technotes/tips0738.pdf Page 13 for supported OS list

Hey bud, glad to see that you have everything working.

In the future, please "Tag" me in your post when you ask for my help. That way I will have an alert sent to me like this: @skippy258

 

[skippy258]

Hey bud, glad to see that you have everything working.

In the future, please "Tag" me in your post when you ask for my help. That way I will have an alert sent to me like this: @skippy258

Hi @T-Bob and all following this post,

I have found that the drive was faulty and the company I brought it off just got a recall notice on them drives as they all need retesting for a hardware fault.
Because of this I have brought 2 new 3TB Toshiba SATA 6GB drives to run in raid a new question have arised to me.

Can drives of the same type be added to the raid at any time if its a master boot with Win 7 OS on it?... "or dose it all have to be configured when the raid is created"

I think 3TB will suit my needs better then the 4TB just for now

 

[T-Bob]

Hi @T-Bob and all following this post,

I have found that the drive was faulty and the company I brought it off just got a recall notice on them drives as they all need retesting for a hardware fault.
Because of this I have brought 2 new 3TB Toshiba SATA 6GB drives to run in raid a new question have arised to me.

Can drives of the same type be added to the raid at any time if its a master boot with Win 7 OS on it?... "or dose it all have to be configured when the raid is created"

I think 3TB will suit my needs better then the 4TB just for now

@skippy258 Normally Yes. First, what type of RAID Array will you run? RAID 1 or 0?

 

[skippy258]

@skippy258 Normally Yes. First, what type of RAID Array will you run? RAID 1 or 0?

Will be Raid 1 for the moment till I get another drive so I can try Raid 5.