Windows takes longer to boot [Fixed!]

theFOoL · Feb 17, 2018

Hi guy's,

Ever since I copied All my Movies 500+ my Windows boot time have gotten longer. I know it might be based on my hdd but when I just updated and installed programs All was good

So does nooy time affect that i haveso much movies and so forth? Takes 1-2 minutes+ :twitch:

DRDNA · Feb 17, 2018

After adding the movies how full is the harddrive, Too full and they slow ...

cucker tarlson · Feb 17, 2018

Try defragmenting

theFOoL · Feb 17, 2018

Hmm i'll try swapping cables but defrag is good but have 823GB used and 123GB free. It's a 1TB Drive of course. The system is mine in specs

DRDNA · Feb 17, 2018

rk3066 said:
823GB used and 123GB free. It's a 1TB Drive of course

I think it is too full to keep its performance speeds.

Bill_Bright · Feb 17, 2018

I agree with DRDNA - Windows needs lots of free space to operate in. It uses this free space for temporary files as well as the page file. There is no fixed amount considered the correct amount but I generally say 30GB of free space is plenty - definitely no less than 10GB.

If there was enough space on the drive to copy 500+ movies, I do not see how fragmentation is an issue now - at least not for the Windows system files. They would have to have been fragmented from the start. And if there was that much free space the copied files would be saved in tact - not fragmented.

However, if now low on free disk space, those temporary files could be suffering from fragmentation issues. Defragging will not help if not enough free disk space.

I don't see how swapping SATA ports will help either. It is not likely the port suddenly went bad just because you copied a bunch of files to the disk.

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Okay, you added your post about having 123GB of free space so that is good. So you can try defragging. Windows own Optimize Disk is just fine - any extra you get with a 3rd party program will quickly be lost as soon as you start using the computer again. And it is already in there. No need to take up more space with another program.

Also, you might just need to wait a little bit for Windows prefetch routines to catch up to you.

DRDNA · Feb 17, 2018

Bring that Mechanical drive to around 50% and watch your boot times come back full force

It's the nature of Mechanical Hard drives.

EDIT 13.002114164904862% free space is NOT ENOUGH free space for a Mechanical hard drive to be able to keep it's performance.

AND
EDIT 13.002114164904862% free space is down right DANGEROUS to SSD drives longevity!

Jetster · Feb 17, 2018

Did you remove or add a drive? I've seen people add a drive not properly formated, leaving hidden files this will cause a lag in the boot process. The best way to format a drive is with diskpart command. Or boot to s windows disk and remove all partitions. Same with removing a disk.

theFOoL · Feb 17, 2018

I'll see if removing the storage drive will help. After i switch cable still same issue

Yep that was the issue :ohwell:

Jetster · Feb 17, 2018

Take everything off the drive. Format it and put the data back and try it

theFOoL · Feb 17, 2018

Strangely it boots fast even when I plugged the drive back in :wtf:

Jetster · Feb 17, 2018

Bad socket maybe

Bill_Bright · Feb 17, 2018

DRDNA said:
13.002114164904862% free space is NOT ENOUGH free space for a Mechanical hard drive to be able to keep it's performance.

Sorry, but that is just a myth. Percentage does not matter and never has. Windows does not care if 30GB free space is on a 100GB drive or a 1TB drive. 30GB is still 30GB and Windows is still Windows.

The OS only cares if running low on free disk space. The program files for Windows, MS Office, Firefox, Call of Duty, or that XYZ Youtube video do not take up more space just because they are on a larger drive.

You will not find any Microsoft documentation that claims you need X percent free disk space for Windows to operate freely in. The use of percentage was just some arbitrary thing someone tossed out there many years ago and it just stuck. But because hard drives have always come in different sizes, and because a 1GB file takes up 1GB of space no matter the size of the drive it is stored on, using percentages never really made sense.

DRDNA · Feb 17, 2018

DRDNA said:
EDIT 13.002114164904862% free space is NOT ENOUGH free space for a Mechanical hard drive to be able to keep it's performance.

AND
EDIT 13.002114164904862% free space is down right DANGEROUS to SSD drives longevity!

Bill_Bright said:
Sorry, but that is just a myth. Percentage does not matter and never has. Windows does not care if 30GB free space is on a 100GB drive or a 1TB drive. 30GB is still 30GB and Windows is still Windows.

The OS only cares if running low on free disk space. The program files for Windows, MS Office, Firefox, Call of Duty, or that XYZ Youtube video do not take up more space just because they are on a larger drive.

You will not find any Microsoft documentation that claims you need X percent free disk space for Windows to operate freely in. The use of percentage was just some arbitrary thing someone tossed out there many years ago and it just stuck. But because hard drives have always come in different sizes, and because a 1GB file takes up 1GB of space no matter the size of the drive it is stored on, using percentages never really made sense.

Your wall of text is a myth. and the issue I speak of has nothing to do with the OS, just the hardware

Billy your so silly. My Benching results and EVERYONE who submits their results says differently as well as all real world scenarios.
.... and go ahead and lead people to believe that a Mechanical Hard drive will run just as fast when there is only 13% free space left. Here you are trying to be silly again

Why would anyone think a Mechanical hard drive with only 13% free space would be as fast as the same hard drive at 50% full is ah well "wrong" and maybe a little confused :confused:

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Bill_Bright · Feb 17, 2018

DRDNA said:
Why would anyone think a Mechanical hard drive with only 13% free space would be as fast as the same hard drive at 50% full

Talk about being silly - this just takes the cake.

Do you ever do any homework before talking?

Why would it be slower?

You clearly don't know how a hard drive works.

The tables are accessed which then tells the R/W head where to go to get the first file segment. It is not like it has to read through all the saved data to get to the next segment. It just jumps to it. It does not matter if the space it jumps over has data saved in it, or not. The distance it has to travel to the next segment is exactly the same too!

Is deleted data actually deleted? NO! Of course not! The space is just marked as free.

Since you claim to know it all, show us where any hard drive maker or OS maker says we, as users, must maintain a specific percentage of free space on our drives.

Show us any white paper that states we must keep a certain percentage of free disk space.

And what is that magic number for percent of free disk space? Are you seriously going to try and tell those of us who know better, and the rest who have even a little common sense that someone with a 12TB hard drive must keep over 1.2TB of the space free for Window to operate freely in? :roll:

And oh my! That is just 10%! :fear:

theFOoL · Feb 17, 2018

I've messed with a Computer that had a 32GB SSD and only had 980MB left of space due to W10 Creator's Update and it wasn't slow :ohwell:

though the space was questionable

Bill_Bright · Feb 17, 2018

No doubt there must be an adequate amount of free disk space for Windows to operate in. But it has nothing to do with the total capacity of the drive AS LONG AS the drive is big enough to start with for Windows and installed programs, and user data.

Some say you have to have space for the Page File and that is true. But disk size is not used to determine PF size. That is primarily determined by the RAM amount.

The point is, with everything else being equal (drivers, installed programs, user tasks, etc.), Windows needs the exact same amount of free disk space to operate in regardless if installed on a 100GB drive, a 1TB drive or 6TB drive. It just makes no sense to stipulate some percentage value for all size drives. So it is not done!

If you start Windows and open up a Word document, Windows is going to create the exact same number of temporary files taking up the exact same amount of space if you have a 250GB drive or a 500GB drive.

I generally say at least 30GB of free space, but even that is an arbitrary number. But that amount provides plenty for Windows temp files and even tasks like defragging. Remember, only files that have been modified need to be defragged after they have been defragged once already.

bogmali · Feb 17, 2018

Since OP's problem has been addressed and the usual suspects resort to arguing.........will recommend this thread be closed

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Windows takes longer to boot [Fixed!]

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