ASUS GeForce GTX 590 3 GB

[cowie]

It isn't really the AIB's fault that the power circuitry failed when they followed nVidia's reference design using nVidia's reference parts, and it fails because nVidia's GPU pulled too much power.

The reason AMD cores can hancle 1.3-1.4+v is because of how much power the core actually pulls. Power is measured in Watts, which is volts and amps. AMD's cores pull less amps, so they can handle higher volts.

Though, as it seems now, there really is no fault. Unless ASUS shipped W1z cards without the BIOS limitted to the 1.05v, then that would be ASUS's fault. Otherwise, whatever method W1z used to raise the voltage past the 1.05v limit is to blame. As the cards shouldn't be pushed past this limit, which is why nVidia put it there.

The card was either; 1 not retail 2 the bios was modded 3 a pro version of ab was used.(even a bios cap at 1.063 would limit voltage adding thruogh the api)
Plus there is reports of ab overvolting using the 590
i just went through the bios myself

 

[newtekie1]

And can someone explaine to me why there isn't a voltage tuning section for 6990?

I could be wrong, but I believe it is because, at the time of the review's writting, there was no way to adjust voltages on the HD6990 besides flipping the BIOS switch which gave a slight voltage boost.

I'm not sure if there is even software available now that allows the voltage on the HD6990 to be adjusted, but I haven't exactly gone hunting for it, so it could be out there.

 

[SetsunaFZero]

the question is "Will it blend" emm burn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRo-1VFMcbc&feature=player_embedded

 

[DanishDevil]

the question is "Will it blend" emm burn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRo-1VFMcbc&feature=player_embedded

Now 4th time posted in the same thread...

 

[Saabjock]

What's with this sense of entitlement guys? I don't see anywhere that you're allowed to over-volt or over-current any videocard...AMD or Nvidia. The fact that it's been done with various levels of success in the past, does not dictate that it should always be accomplished with the same result. You know the risk, you assume the risk and you do so on your own accord. If it works...great. If it doesn't...you knew the risk going in. That's why you are considered an overclocker. Operating the thing outside of the design specifications is entirely up to the buyer...as are the consequences. Try over volting your cellphone or anything else, I can almost guarantee you...the results will be the same.

 

[Kreij]

Except in this case, Saab, Asus is promoting doing just that on the outside of their box.

 

[thedude74]

A 700 dollar 'enthusiast' card that can't handle overclocking by some of the best in the world. Nah, that not a fail....it's just that Nvidia as a company has now had a change in design direction and lower voltages, temps and acoustics, are now what the enthusiast crowd is calling for, right ?

The card overclocks just fine. In fact, it overclocks much better than the 6990 does, it just needs less voltage. "Some of the best in the world" failed to do their homework and find out what the max voltage on this card is, so they blew it up.

I'll still yet to see a single explanation why the reviewers thought 1.2v would be acceptable for this card when it's higher than even a 580 should be volted.

 

[Mussels]

What's with this sense of entitlement guys? I don't see anywhere that you're allowed to over-volt or over-current any videocard...AMD or Nvidia. The fact that it's been done with various levels of success in the past, does not dictate that it should always be accomplished with the same result. You know the risk, you assume the risk and you do so on your own accord. If it works...great. If it doesn't...you knew the risk going in. That's why you are considered an overclocker. Operating the thing outside of the design specifications is entirely up to the buyer...as are the consequences. Try over volting your cellphone or anything else, I can almost guarantee you...the results will be the same.

Except in this case, Saab, Asus is promoting doing just that on the outside of their box.

^ what he said.


This was not a regular 590 here, but asus model which specifically stated it was designed for overvolting and overclocking.

 

[senninex]

Overall!!!.... HD6990 is the choice of user & the King!

 

[wolf]

^ what he said.


This was not a regular 590 here, but asus model which specifically stated it was designed for overvolting and overclocking.

but it absolutely is a regular GTX590, yes of course Asus states voltage tweak on the box, and yes that is misleading, but 99% of people buying this $699 card arent deciding their purchase based of stickers on the box. I would hope...

 

[Mussels]

but it absolutely is a regular GTX590, yes of course Asus states voltage tweak on the box, and yes that is misleading, but 99% of people buying this $699 card arent deciding their purchase based of stickers on the box. I would hope...

if those stickers said "comes with a fan" and it didnt come with a fan, you'd be pissed, yes?


the thing you dont get is that arent talking about the other cards, we're talking about this one. and doing what it says you can do, on the box... kills it. its like buying a car that self destructs if you put it into reverse while the air con is on.

 

[wolf]

if those stickers said "comes with a fan" and it didnt come with a fan, you'd be pissed, yes?


the thing you dont get is that arent talking about the other cards, we're talking about this one. and doing what it says you can do, on the box... kills it. its like buying a car that self destructs if you put it into reverse while the air con is on.

just keep in mind the box says up to 50%, anyone with some sense should know thats just marketing hype, you might only get 5% more out of it.

I am still a firm believer that far too much voltage was used on this card, and others that have popped. but maybe thats just me.

I also disagree with your car analagy, its more like buying a car that is advertised with a top speed of 300 k/ph, you do 300 k/ph in it and crash, I wouldnt be surprised at all.

 

[Saabjock]

If ASUS is advocating overvolting the cards in anyway...then they should 'eat' the cost of replacement. It's just that simple.

 

[Kreij]

I agree completely, Saab.

 

[Kreij]

I also disagree with your car analagy, its more like buying a car that is advertised with a top speed of 300 k/ph, you do 300 k/ph in it and crash

No, it's more like buying a car that says top speed 300 and when you try that the engine blows up.
If they make claims, they better suport them with fact, or pay for replacements.

Oops ... sorry about double post. I can't merge them here. DOH!

 

[wolf]

No, it's more like buying a car that says top speed 300 and when you try that the engine blows up.
If they make claims, they better suport them with fact, or pay for replacements.

depending on how long you drive at 300 for, that just might happen. in any case I dont want to argue with you guys about your point of view on this one, I just believe that because the slider goes up to 11 doesnt mean it should be set there. yes they advocate overvolting and should assume responsibility towards the dead cards, but the user should assume some also for actually doing it, thats all.

lol I was gunna say, mod double posting!

 

[Deleted member 24505]

If they did'nt want people over volting, it would not be an option in the drivers, also these are all enthusiast cards, which will be modded/over volted etc. A normal user will not pay $700 for a video card, people who buy these know the risks and do take them.

If it states it can do whatever on the box, then it should be able to do it.

 

[TheMailMan78]

No, it's more like buying a car that says top speed 300 and when you try that the engine blows up.
If they make claims, they better suport them with fact, or pay for replacements.

Oops ... sorry about double post. I can't merge them here. DOH!

I already used that analogy but some people are blinded by the green light.

 

[newtekie1]

if those stickers said "comes with a fan" and it didnt come with a fan, you'd be pissed, yes?


the thing you dont get is that arent talking about the other cards, we're talking about this one. and doing what it says you can do, on the box... kills it. its like buying a car that self destructs if you put it into reverse while the air con is on.

No where on the box does it say you can pump 1.2v through the card. The box says "Voltage Tweak" meaning you can adjust the voltage, and "up to 50% faster". Meaning you can increase the voltage(and you can safely up to 1.06v) and when you do that and overclock the card they managed to find one specific scenerio that showed a 50% performance gain with the overclock.

Now, ASUS might have disabled the 1.06v BIOS limit on this card that nVidia recommends, we don't know since W1z hasn't told us. However, assuming they didn't, then the card can still be considered a "Volage Tweak" card because you can still increase the voltage from the stock 0.94v.

Also, the box clearly says "Voltage Tweak technlolgy allows you to boost GPU Voltage via ASUS Smartdoctor to achieve up to 50%* faster clock speeds." *something about results may vary, Extreme cooling is required to achieve 50% faster.

No, it's more like buying a car that says top speed 300 and when you try that the engine blows up.
If they make claims, they better suport them with fact, or pay for replacements.

Oops ... sorry about double post. I can't merge them here. DOH!

If you read the box, that anology is wrong. I think the best anology would be like buying a car that says you can increase the horse power from 200HP to 300HP by adjusting the boost using the boost controller buttons on the dash. With the fine print saying you have to first install an better radiator in the car first or the engine will die from the extra heat. Then a user buying the car, ignoring the fine print, just maxing out the boost using the buttons the day they bought the car, then some how managing to bypass the boost limit and going even higher then the boost controller was limitted to by the manufacturer, and then the engine pops.

 

[Kreij]

lol I was gunna say, mod double posting!

My internet connection is so slow I figured someone would sneek in a post before mine hit the boards.

 

[CDdude55]

I already used that analogy but some people are blinded by the green light.

That analogy is incorrect, they are not advertising overvolting at all on the box.

What he said basically v

No where on the box does it say you can pump 1.2v through the card. The box says "Voltage Tweak" meaning you can adjust the voltage, and "up to 50% faster". Meaning you can increase the voltage(and you can safely up to 1.06v) and when you do that and overclock the card they managed to find one specific scenerio that showed a 50% performance gain with the overclock.

Now, ASUS might have disabled the 1.06v BIOS limit on this card that nVidia recommends, we don't know since W1z hasn't told us. However, assuming they didn't, then the card can still be considered a "Volage Tweak" card because you can still increase the voltage from the stock 0.94v.

 

[TheMailMan78]

No where on the box does it say you can pump 1.2v through the card. The box says "Voltage Tweak" meaning you can adjust the voltage, and "up to 50% faster". Meaning you can increase the voltage(and you can safely up to 1.06v) and when you do that and overclock the card they managed to find one specific scenerio that showed a 50% performance gain with the overclock.

Now, ASUS might have disabled the 1.06v BIOS limit on this card that nVidia recommends, we don't know since W1z hasn't told us. However, assuming they didn't, then the card can still be considered a "Volage Tweak" card because you can still increase the voltage from the stock 0.94v.

It doesn't matter. You could have but 3.0v in it and it shouldn't have blown. The damn overdraw protection is flawed. The "protection" kicked in and the rig rebooted. When it rebooted the "protection" didn't load and blew the fucking card. Its a piece of shit.

That analogy is incorrect, they are not advertising overvolting at all on the box.

What he said basically v

You cannot get anywhere close to 50% faster without overvolting the card. Its common sense.

 

[W1zzard]

guys, even if the card hadn't died it wouldn't have gotten a much better score.

as i said in the conclusion it works great out of the box when you're not tweaking it, but what it delivers still isn't impressive or anywhere near it. why not stop the discussion about card died, card won't die, card not designed for overvolt, and talk about what else the card brings to the table, and what not ?

 

[CDdude55]

You cannot get anywhere close to 50% faster without overvolting the card. Its common sense.

That's just marketing, it's common sense.

 

[TheMailMan78]

guys, even if the card hadn't died it wouldn't have gotten a much better score.

as i said in the conclusion it works great out of the box when you're not tweaking it, but what it delivers still isn't impressive or anywhere near it. why not stop the discussion about card died, card won't die, card not designed for overvolt, and talk about what else the card brings to the table, and what not ?

So in you're opinion would they have been better off with two 570's in one card rather then two 580's clocked low?

That's just marketing, it's common sense.

It really doesn't matter what Asus said. The cards overdraw protection failed.