ATI HD5XXX Series Discussion

[inferKNOX]

Not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but the 5870 is supposed to idle at 30 watts, or almost half that of the 4870

That is very cool! I'm hoping to get the 5870 in December, by which time hopefully the prices would have dropped a bit, if I manage to sell my 4890 and all goes according to plan.
I'd love to have read the whole thread, but at over 300 posts... I'd rather just ask if you guys think this'll out-perform the GTX295, and if it should be a large, medium or small margin if so?
BTW, I really hope it has 2x 6-pin connectors like the 4890, not a yucky 8-pin, lol! (my PSU only has 2x6pin.)

Thanks.
It makes me wonder why they bother with all these different size plugs then.
They should just go for the one with the smallest foot print!

Remember however, on the converter, there's one 6-pin that goes to 2 molex male connectors, and each molex male connector should connect to the PSU's molex female connector that is on a separate cable going to the PSU. Don't connect both molex males from the converter on 2 molex females that are on the same wire, or the wire may overload, heat up, and catch fire, etc.
Wires for 6-pin connector can handle a larger loads (that's why there's different connectors, they carry different loads, etc) than those for molex connectors, so it's necessary to share the load when using a converter.

 

[pantherx12]

The converter I have only has one Female molex, it was powering my motherboard downstairs before so so should be fine and dandy : ]

 

[newconroer]

That is very cool! I'm hoping to get the 5870 in December, by which time hopefully the prices would have dropped a bit, if I manage to sell my 4890 and all goes according to plan.
I'd love to have read the whole thread, but at over 300 posts... I'd rather just ask if you guys think this'll out-perform the GTX295, and if it should be a large, medium or small margin if so?

Given that the current 4870X2 can be closely comparitive with the 295(and faster in some games) than given their general projections, it should be faster yes; though that doesn't mean it won't fall down when it comes to crunch time.

As long as GPUs are still stuck in the loop, with a CPU dependant cycle, then it won't get noticeably better, provided the programs continue to stay demanding.

 

[inferKNOX]

Given that the current 4870X2 can be closely comparitive with the 295(and faster in some games) than given their general projections, it should be faster yes; though that doesn't mean it won't fall down when it comes to crunch time.

As long as GPUs are still stuck in the loop, with a CPU dependant cycle, then it won't get noticeably better, provided the programs continue to stay demanding.

What do you mean "fall down when it comes to crunch time"? I'm afraid I'm not following.
And you mean demanding in what sense, on the CPU?
Sorry, but I can't make heads or tails of what you said on those 2 parts.

 

[Wile E]

Given that the current 4870X2 can be closely comparitive with the 295(and faster in some games) than given their general projections, it should be faster yes; though that doesn't mean it won't fall down when it comes to crunch time.

As long as GPUs are still stuck in the loop, with a CPU dependant cycle, then it won't get noticeably better, provided the programs continue to stay demanding.

Except "the cpu dependant cycle" couldn't be farther from the truth. The gpus themselves are the bottleneck, not the cpu. That's the case in all but low settings and resolutions, or the game is coded like SupCom, where it's heavily dependent on the cpu for AI calculations. In the case of low res or settings with modern hardware, if the cpu is the bottleneck, your graphics card is already pumping out so many frames that playability wouldn't change anyway.

 

[inferKNOX]

I thought that's what newconroer meant, and if so, I too share your sentiment Wile E, that it isn't the case. I haven't seen my CPU use exceed 75% with all settings maxed in all games I've played so far on my current rig @ 1920x1200. I do always see the GPU maxing out unless I turn on V-Sync, which I do most of the time to prevent tearing since the 4890 generally exceeds 60fps and there's no point making extra heat, using extra power and suffering the constant flick of tearing IMO.
The 5870 should be sitting pretty if it'll be all that powerful and V-synced; it'll even have time for a tea break whilst making stunning GFX & physics, lol! And if it's idling @ 30W, then power and heat should be nice and low too. ;-)

 

[jaydeejohn]

Not sure its been posted in this thread or not, but 299$ US looks to be the 5870 price

http://www.powercolor.com/Global/NewsInfo.asp?id=701

 

[MoonPig]

Oooo... $299 (£184) is great for the 5870. Making me consider either two 5850's or a 5870...

Lets see after W1z gives us some benchmarks and the price drops abit

 

[jagd]

I hope it is true i decided to go for a 58xx card ,first time in my life at launch

Not sure its been posted in this thread or not, but 299$ US looks to be the 5870 price

 

[KainXS]

bad news it that the shots of the Juniper which is said to be the HD5850 show it more than likely will have 16 rops

and fudzilla is claiming only one card is based on the cypress which is the high end gpu.

T.T

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Seems like they've taken the $299 price off it.

http://www.powercolor.com/Global/NewsInfo.asp?id=701

 

[eidairaman1]

it's freakin to loong, i want see the card right now (at least they could leak it, like HD 4850 launch and we can buy it before the card actualy get released officialy)

damm i can't wait anymore

I don't hear much complaint on AMD parts as I do NV for PCB length. So what's your excuse, you gonna try to shove one of those into a Desktop/HTPC case?

 

[YinYang.ERROR]

Not sure its been posted in this thread or not, but 299$ US looks to be the 5870 price
http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu171/jaydeejohn/topdx11299.jpg

http://www.powercolor.com/Global/NewsInfo.asp?id=701

Who says that is the 5870? It says top-directx video card. For all we know it could be the 5890.

 

[jaydeejohn]

Sure, and then the refresh would be the 5895, or the 5990. Point is, top card is top card.
Not high perf, but high end

 

[wahdangun]

I don't hear much complaint on AMD parts as I do NV for PCB length. So what's your excuse, you gonna try to shove one of those into a Desktop/HTPC case?

no, i mean i can't wait for NDA to gone, this hype really irritating me, and they chose us to wait for 10 September after they spread all this rumor.

yeah after i read your sigh, i feel pathetic too. i got too excited with a piece of silicon dammm.

 

[inferKNOX]

Wait, I've known the price for about a month now, how is it that you guys don't know?
I'm almost sure I heard about the price from TPU

 

[TheMailMan78]

Gimme two 5850s and call it a day. Unless your a folding queen high end cards are for the birds.

 

[erocker]

Gimme two 5850s and call it a day. Unless your a folding queen high end cards are for the birds.

Um... I would think one single card that is more powerful would be better. No, I'm sure of it.

 

[inferKNOX]

I think 1 card setups are the way.
I don't like the idea of producing twice the heat, eating twice the power, making twice the noise, needing twice the power connectors, and using twice the space inside the case; unless it's an absolute must.
BTW, looking to join that competition and hoping to win in the wallpapers category. (hold thumbs for me)

 

[Bo_Fox]

Um... I would think one single card that is more powerful would be better. No, I'm sure of it.

It depends, man!!! If the 5870 is going to be only 15-20% faster than a 5850, then we could safely say that a dual-5850 setup would be at least 50% faster overall than a single 5870. HardOCP gave two thumbs-up to a 4850X2 exclusively made by Sapphire, although it was about $50 more expensive than a 4890, which should be much faster than a single 4850 (by like 60% or more in high resolutions that are largely bottleneck scenarios).

 

[Zubasa]

bad news it that the shots of the Juniper which is said to be the HD5850 show it more than likely will have 16 rops

and fudzilla is claiming only one card is based on the cypress which is the high end gpu.

T.T

Nope, the juniper is said to be the sucessor ofr RV740 aka HD4770.
SO you were basically looking at the 5770.

The 5850 is said the "Cypress Pro" and 5870 is said to be the "Cypress XT".

 

[Bo_Fox]

But on the other hand, I agree with you, erocker, about SLI and Crossfire being ineffective at times, if that's what you mean. Being an ex-SLI veteran myself (with 2 7900GTX in SLI), I'd rather just have a highest-end single GPU that is faster in all games than a dual (lower-clocked) GPU setup that is faster in only a certain percentage of games. Microstuttering was a big problem for me in a handful of games, but it's supposedly a thing of the past, I guess. The headaches of trying to resolve the compatibility issues or the increased complication just isnt worth the troubles for me, since one of my rigs is limited to 1920x1200 and I'm pretty much satifisfied with what a single GPU can do. /rant off

 

[JayliN]

Seems like they've taken the $299 price off it.

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And in the process of correcting themselves, they confirmed $299 refers to the "high-end" next generation card.

 

[Wile E]

Um... I would think one single card that is more powerful would be better. No, I'm sure of it.

OR just grab 2 high end video cards, and call it a day.

 

[Bo_Fox]

And in the process of correcting themselves, they confirmed $299 refers to the "high-end" next generation card.

Oh yeah, if the 5850 is going to be $299, all of the businesses out there would definitely want to call it "high-end" no matter how much faster or more expensive the 5870 is!

I just hope that I'll only have to spend $299 on a 5870, not a 5850, but I'm just trying to keep an open mind with how shrewd the businesses have proved themselves to be!