WINDOWS XP??? WAKE UP PEOPLE.

[Basard]

Give one or more example...

Everything other than "basic office tasks and web browsing...."

Some people work on their own car, some people don't or can't. I messed around with Linux Mandrake back in the late 90's... everything was a pain in the ass compared to windows (I'm sure a lot has changed since then).

It depends how much you enjoy having pains in your ass, I guess. haha

 

[OneMoar]

1. Aptitude has a GUI interface that lets you search packages like it were the App Store. Not exactly hard to use.
2. Resolved by GUI interface as stated above.
3. At least Linux handles dependencies for you. Be glad you don't have to screw with stuff like that in Windows.
4. 99% of the time deps are fine. I've almost never have gotten a legitimate dependencies issue that couldn't be resolved with "apt-get update" which GUI aptitude runs when you start it.
5. Now your just ranting and not making a point.
6. Same as #5.

1. Remember, GUI. Single button saying "Distro upgrade," on Ubuntu.
2. Sure.
3. Ugh, drivers. This is the only thing I'll agree upon. Managing drivers in Linux sucks but, if you don't upgrade, they always seem to work. You run into the most issues when manually installing drivers and not using the package manager though...
4. Haven't seen this happen in 5 years.
5. At this point you gave up if something went wrong.
6. GParted usually does an okay job, however, I'll agree that it gparted tends to bork up however, if it's making drives unbootable, you probably did something on installation to make that happen. I've had a lot of issues with GParted but, destroying data isn't one of those problems unless you told it to.
7. Sure.

My point here is that you explained everything that can go wrong and in most cases it doesn't. Ubuntu has been getting a lot better with usability over the years and I have seen normal people use Ubuntu. People complain because they're not used to it but, if a normal person if forced to use it, they'll learn how to update, use a browser, and do thing very quickly. Before I graduated from college I saw a lot of non-technical people who would ask for help on their laptop and it would be running Ubuntu because daddy installed it or it came with their Dell.

Side note: I've seen people kill drives with the Windows installer partitioning tool too.

Too slow. Zeros are faster to generate and most drives don't do 4k chunks very quickly.

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4M

I don't agree with blue knight on things often, but this is one of those things. People like what is familiar. I've seen plenty of people learn how to use Ubuntu without too much issue to do regular things (browser, office, music, etc.)

However, I'm still a little annoyed that blue-knight won't even describe why he doesn't like Windows 8.1 while saying that it's so bad. Something can't be so bad if you can't say what's bad about it. I think someone needs to read Dr. Suess' Green Eggs and Ham; "I do not like them, Sam-I-Am!" When in reality, he hasn't ever tried green eggs and ham and when he does, they're delicious.

So I'm siding with @newtekie1 on this one. I'm calling you out until you explain to us why you feel so strongly because without reason, you just look like someone who doesn't like change.

Linux has gotten a bit easier to use over the years. Most of the time, pointing and clicking does most of what you need it to do. If some girl who's an education major and isn't technical in any way, shape or form, can learn to use Linux and not have a problem with it, I think other people can too. Just like Blue-Knight, you're getting super worked up about this when you probably haven't dived into Linux recently. It sounds like your experience may be dated.

Edit: I'm getting the distinct impression that people are making mountains out of mole hills when it comes Windows 10 and Linux. So many of these claims are simply astonishing.

On topic: I happen to know that the local hospital is moving to Win7 as we speak, they may have already upgraded even.

I was being sarcastic
zelot confirmed

 

[Aquinus]

I was being sarcastic

Could have fooled me.

zelot confirmed

 

[ChevyOwner]

Until a few years ago (3-5 IIRC) the mail inserters where my dad works ran on Windows 3.1. Not sure if they use XP or Seven now.

 

[johnspack]

It's been dead for some time, despite numerous attempts to revive it. It was last used in older ATM machines IIRC. There may still be some floating around somewhere...

It's kernel is on par with XP and even ahead in some areas though, but make no mistake, everything else about it is dated and dead in the water.

Actually it's called eComStation now, and 2.2 beta was released in 2013. It's another os I play with in vms.......

 

[Cybrnook2002]

Problem is many companies uses outdated programs that can't run in Windows 7, even XP Mode don't always work it needs a real XP computer or a virtuel one to work, but that costs money so they just use it every day until the computer dies and u can't find spare parts and the new computers don't support XP than they have to use money on upgrading everything.

Nailed it!

 

[v12dock]

Windows XP is no longer HIPPA compliant. It's only time before they start failing meaningful use because of it. I work for a medical software company and for that reason we can no longer provide support for Windows XP.

 

[Blue-Knight]

So I'm siding with @newtekie1 on this one. I'm calling you out until you explain to us why you feel so strongly because without reason, you just look like someone who doesn't like change.

I disliked Windows 8/8.1.

I tested Windows 10 today, and I liked it.

Thank you!

Spoiler: Unnecessary comments (about Windows 10)

There were a few things I disliked but those were mere details, nothing is perfect.

One thing that caught my attention was that finally Windows users will be able to enjoy the benefits of having "Multiple Virtual Desktops" (a.k.a. workspaces in Linux) out of the box. I feel suffocated when I have just 1 desktop to organize numerous windows.

Finally, they included out of the box support for FLAC files. But I miss WAVPACK.

What I miss:
Out of the box support for foreign file systems.
Probably much more if I think about it... LOL!

 

[R-T-B]

Actually it's called eComStation now, and 2.2 beta was released in 2013. It's another os I play with in vms.......

I'm aware of ecomstation, I even was a licensee until recently. I still consider it dead in the water. It doesn't even have an up to date browser anymore...

 

[ShiBDiB]

Antivirus programs will have to work slightly harder? Y'know the United States Navy is still using XP, right?

I was considering on putting XP on my netbook again instead of 7, because y'know what? It works.

DOD uses 7

 

[Frick]

1. At least Linux handles dependencies for you. Be glad you don't have to screw with stuff like that in Windows.

This is ... often true, but sometimes (or quite often in my experience) you come across something that for some reason doesn't work and you have to add repositories manually. The latest example was on Lubuntu ... was it 13/14? Anyway I tried to install something from the package manager (I think it was a mine sweeper game ... or something, it was last year), and some dependencies only existed in older repos, which I had to add manually to some list somewhere. This has happened on most distros I've tried. Sometimes an apt-get update solves it, but how would one know that if you're new to it?

Another annoying thing is when you're looking for something as simple as something that tells you the temps on your system and you install something that gets the sensors (after some serious googling) and then you realize you ALSO need a GUI for that package, and the name for that package is something completely unrelated to the sensor package and if you're new to Linux any descriptions might as well be written in ancient hebrew. I looked for that this winter, so that is a new experience. At least synaptic is actually really damned terrible to use unless you grew up with it.

But things are definitely better than they used to be, that's extremely true.

 

[micropage7]

back to title

" WINDOWS XP??? WAKE UP PEOPLE. "

 

[xorbe]

I'm awake! I'm awake!

 

[Arjai]

I tested Windows 8.1 this week (for the first time)... It is horrible. I would keep with 7 until 10 comes out.

Edit: Just my opinion.

Dude, you think WIN 10 is gonna be better than 8.1? Eventually, maybe.

 

[R-T-B]

Dude, you think WIN 10 is gonna be better than 8.1? Eventually, maybe.

It pretty much already is even with all the microsoft update-BS IMO.

 

[TheMailMan78]

back to title

" WINDOWS XP??? WAKE UP PEOPLE. "

Told ya just hit the space bar. Problem solved.

 

[Aquinus]

Dude, you think WIN 10 is gonna be better than 8.1? Eventually, maybe.

It feels pretty solid to me. No BSODs or crashes yet which is usually a good sign.

 

[Blue-Knight]

Dude, you think WIN 10 is gonna be better than 8.1? Eventually, maybe.

I already tested it, and I can tell you: It is better, much better.

 

[ZeDestructor]

This is ... often true, but sometimes (or quite often in my experience) you come across something that for some reason doesn't work and you have to add repositories manually. The latest example was on Lubuntu ... was it 13/14? Anyway I tried to install something from the package manager (I think it was a mine sweeper game ... or something, it was last year), and some dependencies only existed in older repos, which I had to add manually to some list somewhere. This has happened on most distros I've tried. Sometimes an apt-get update solves it, but how would one know that if you're new to it?

Another annoying thing is when you're looking for something as simple as something that tells you the temps on your system and you install something that gets the sensors (after some serious googling) and then you realize you ALSO need a GUI for that package, and the name for that package is something completely unrelated to the sensor package and if you're new to Linux any descriptions might as well be written in ancient hebrew. I looked for that this winter, so that is a new experience. At least synaptic is actually really damned terrible to use unless you grew up with it.

But things are definitely better than they used to be, that's extremely true.

Ahh, games.. a massive PITA to package on literally any OS. The only way to really get around that is to just pack everything with the game and have it run entirely standalone (Windows does that, as do most *nix games) or just pack all the deps with your game library management layer (which is how Steam does it on Linux for a bunch of "common" deps).

The GUI to a sensor being completely unrelated to the sensor's library is completely normal as well: on *nix, it's common to build small utilities that do one thing and only one thing and then build another (very often a completely different person/team to the creator of the original thing) thing to show it in a prettier way. On Windows, the tendency is for everyone to just re-implement the same thing over and over again all the time, with the same bugs implemented over and over again.

 

[Frick]

The GUI to a sensor being completely unrelated to the sensor's library is completely normal as well: on *nix, it's common to build small utilities that do one thing and only one thing and then build another (very often a completely different person/team to the creator of the original thing) thing to show it in a prettier way. On Windows, the tendency is for everyone to just re-implement the same thing over and over again all the time, with the same bugs implemented over and over again.

Aye and the *nix way is often a PITA IMO. This is one of the reason Linux is not a success to the avarage end user until you take away much of what makes it Linuxy (ie Android), and I make the argument it cannot be a mainstream sucess until the majority of traditional Linux users hate it.

 

[ZeDestructor]

Aye and the *nix way is often a PITA IMO. This is one of the reason Linux is not a success to the avarage end user until you take away much of what makes it Linuxy (ie Android), and I make the argument it cannot be a mainstream sucess until the majority of traditional Linux users hate it.

Yes and no... Everything is turning more and more appliance-like, and web-based, and while I don't particularly like it, it may well be the tipping point of moving a decently large user base to one of the major distros.

I think it's a good thing the *nixes favour a very layered approach of many small (and not so small.. I'm looking at you systemd) utilities, but much like it has been the case over the past 15 years, the UI needs improvement. The thing is, current day Linux is miles ahead of say XP or Vista in the UI and ease of use categories, but Apple and MS keep improving too, so for all the strides made, it still needs work, even though the remaining gaps are steadily closing.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Yes and no... Everything is turning more and more appliance-like, and web-based, and while I don't particularly like it, it may well be the tipping point of moving a decently large user base to one of the major distros.

I think it's a good thing the *nixes favour a very layered approach of many small (and not so small.. I'm looking at you systemd) utilities, but much like it has been the case over the past 15 years, the UI needs improvement. The thing is, current day Linux is miles ahead of say XP or Vista in the UI and ease of use categories, but Apple and MS keep improving too, so for all the strides made, it still needs work, even though the remaining gaps are steadily closing.

Not going to happen.

 

[de.das.dude]

I Just noticed at my doctors office and some other places ive been too there are still people using windows xp. I think its time for people to wake up and at least get as far as windows 7 or 8.1. What is your opinion on this?

a lot of offices use software that are probably discontinued and would not work on newer versions. also sometimes you would have to pay to upgrade to a new OS version. waste of a lot of money.
if it aint broke dont fix it.

not to mention the hardware changes that would need to be undertaken. most xp machines would have ddr2 based setups, and now windows 7 if youre in an office 4gb is minimum. so think of the countless systems needed to be upgraded. again, waste of money.