AMD Reportedly Launching Threadripper Pro 7000 Series on October 19

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AMD's Ryzen Threadripper Pro 7000 "Storm Peak" CPU series has not received any form of official announcement—we have relied solely on leaks to find out nitty-gritty details about Team Red's Zen 4-based follow-up to the Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5000 lineup. Pre-release samples have been landing online at an increased rate—courtesy of benchmark suite database leaks—with various news sites theorizing that AMD is preparing for an autumn launch window. This prediction is seemingly coming into focus, according to the latest information from insiders at AMD and connected supply chains.

Wccftech reckons that an October 19 launch day has been pencilled in: "Our sources have told us that AMD is all set to unveil its Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7000 CPU family on the 19th of October. This marks more than 1.5 years since the introduction of the Zen 3-based Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5000 CPUs. The new processors will once again be primarily positioned in the premium workstation segment with limited DIY availability. OEMs will be offering their pre-built designs along with DIY TRX50 motherboards from various manufacturers."




Their report continued: "As per leaked information, we can expect a total of five AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7000WX CPU SKUs including the 7995WX with 96 Cores, 7985WX with 64 Cores, 7975WX with 32 cores, 7955WX with 16 cores and 7945WX with 12 cores. These are the preliminary specs and all chips will be rated at a maximum TDP of 350 W. The CPUs will be supported on the new TRX50/WRX50 platforms with up to 128 PCIe Gen 5 lanes support & up to 8-channel DDR5 memory support. Leaked benchmarks have also shown some serious gains with the flagship being up to 70% faster than the PRO 5995WX which was limited to just 64 cores."

Wccftech anticipates several improvements arriving with AMD's next generation HEDT family:

• New Zen 4 Core Architecture
• Up To 96 Cores / 192 Threads
• New TRX50/WRX50 Platform (Storm Peak)
• Up To 350 W TDP Designs Across All SKUs
• 8-Channel & 4-Channel DDR5 Memory Support
• Up To 128 PCIe Gen 5.0 Lanes
• Up To 384 MB of L3 Cache / 480 MB Full Pool
• Up To 75% Faster Than Threadripper 5000WX

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[AnotherReader]

Given the likely prices for these, AMD should have enabled all 12 memory channels for the top SKUs.

 

[Space Lynx]

I still don't understand who these are for. EPYC is for servers, the 16 core 32 thread regular Ryzen 7950x is for home servers and people who need the threads for work... I just don't understand who buys Threadripper, small businesses that don't need EPYC but need more than 16 cores? That's all I can think of lol

 

[JAB Creations]

Pro? Aren't those the garbage versions that can be killed to work with only a specific motherboard? Plus you can only buy trash motherboards from Dell, Lenovo or Asus? If so then these don't count.

I still don't understand who these are for. EPYC is for servers, the 16 core 32 thread regular Ryzen 7950x is for home servers and people who need the threads for work... I just don't understand who buys Threadripper, small businesses that don't need EPYC but need more than 16 cores? That's all I can think of lol

I watched a video of a video production group that has to do heavy amounts of encoding, that firm probably brings in several millions of dollars a year for whatever they're doing.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Monster of a CPU

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Pro? Aren't those the garbage versions that can be killed to work with only a specific motherboard? Plus you can only buy trash motherboards from Dell, Lenovo or Asus? If so then these don't count.


I watched a video of a video production group that has to do heavy amounts of encoding, that firm probably brings in several millions of dollars a year for whatever they're doing.

That's only for SIC vendor specific boards from Dell & HP.
Any normal WRX80 board doesn't do that.
The fact that the 7995WX has 128 lanes is interesting does it mean that there maybe other chips in the works with more channels & lanes?
because I honestly think that 64 lanes & only 8 channel is sort of a joke.
WRX50 would be a joke compared to the WRX80.
should be WRX90

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

I still don't understand who these are for. EPYC is for servers, the 16 core 32 thread regular Ryzen 7950x is for home servers and people who need the threads for work... I just don't understand who buys Threadripper, small businesses that don't need EPYC but need more than 16 cores? That's all I can think of lol

Workstations pretty much are their market,

Requiring 10Gb+ connectivity, capability of running say 2 Accelerators for ML while having extra memory bandwidth and core count.

Also its good for SMBs running Socket level licencing on certain software. Only way to get more than 32 threads without stepping into Xeon/EPYC territory

 

[mb194dc]

The real world use cases for such machines are tiny....

Interesting to see how a 7995WX with 96 Cores benches though and what's the maximum installable ram?

 

[unwind-protect]

I still don't understand who these are for. EPYC is for servers, the 16 core 32 thread regular Ryzen 7950x is for home servers and people who need the threads for work... I just don't understand who buys Threadripper, small businesses that don't need EPYC but need more than 16 cores? That's all I can think of lol

An example is software development, compiling large projects with many files that can be compiled in parallel.

I have an older 48-core machine that still easily beats modern CPUs with less cores when rebuilding FreeBSD or the Linux kernel.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

They wouldn’t make it if there wasn’t a market for it. They will be high margin products, so it’s not entirely about volume, and chiplets make it far easier to manufacture than monoliths.

 

[HBSound]

I love the advancement of technology. But for some reason motherboard manufacturers only support the Threadripper Pro processor in the larger format (ATX/E-ATX). No issues finding a smaller format ITX or MATX motherboards for the trivial Intel Xeon processor. For whatever reason, the AMD Threadripper is not supported in that manner. I beleive a lot more interest can take place if the motherboard manufactors supported the Threaripper Pro in the smaller format. To allow the end user to have smaller format workstations. Most workstations these days are only a few at most GPU deep. It would be extremely nice to have a smaller M-ATX Threadripper Pro motherboard with four full PCI lanes and 8 RAM slots. Asrock Rack W790D8UD-1L1N2T/BCM (https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=W790D8UD-1L1N2T/BCM#Specifications) makes this exact motherboard for the Intel Xeon Processor. It will be intteresting to see if they offer this same format motherboard in this exact layout.

That motherboard alone, makes me want to see what the leap from Threadripper to Xeon would actually be like. Just for the reason of a smaller format worksation.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Given the likely prices for these, AMD should have enabled all 12 memory channels for the top SKUs.

96 core TR will be very close to Epyc Genoa 96 core in price. I prefer to call these wallet ripper. I'd like to know what university departments could afford these for workstations. We are looking at $20K+ for the 96 core version based on previous 64 core TR in Australia.

 

[Crackong]

I still don't understand who these are for. EPYC is for servers, the 16 core 32 thread regular Ryzen 7950x is for home servers and people who need the threads for work... I just don't understand who buys Threadripper, small businesses that don't need EPYC but need more than 16 cores? That's all I can think of lol

I had a TR 3000 PRO machine, mainly for software development VM hosting.

For me,
Reasons not using regular Ryzen:
- MOAR RAM
- MOAR PCI-E
- MOAR Storage

Reasons not going for EPYC:
- Richer features on the TR motherboards, for the same price, server boards usually had fewer & 'skinny' features and expect the user to add them as add-on cards.
- Looks, I put this server in a regular PC case with glass side panel, so the looks actually matters.
- More robust motherboard heatsinks on the TR motherboards, since I am using it in a regular PC case, it won't be getting the high volume of air in a rack environment, so the skinny heatsinks on the server motherboards might not be enough.

So, in my point of view.
I think the Threadrippers are for the user who wants a server, but also wants the server
- Had richer motherboard feature from the get go.
- Looks better than a regular server.
- Not being put inside a rack with 10000 rpm hurricane fans.

 

[AnotherReader]

I love the advancement of technology. But for some reason motherboard manufacturers only support the Threadripper Pro processor in the larger format (ATX/E-ATX). No issues finding a smaller format ITX or MATX motherboards for the trivial Intel Xeon processor. For whatever reason, the AMD Threadripper is not supported in that manner. I beleive a lot more interest can take place if the motherboard manufactors supported the Threaripper Pro in the smaller format. To allow the end user to have smaller format workstations. Most workstations these days are only a few at most GPU deep. It would be extremely nice to have a smaller M-ATX Threadripper Pro motherboard with four full PCI lanes and 8 RAM slots. Asrock Rack W790D8UD-1L1N2T/BCM (https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=W790D8UD-1L1N2T/BCM#Specifications) makes this exact motherboard for the Intel Xeon Processor. It will be intteresting to see if they offer this same format motherboard in this exact layout.

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That motherboard alone, makes me want to see what the leap from Threadripper to Xeon would actually be like. Just for the reason of a smaller format worksation.

Where would the 12 DIMM slots go on a mini ITX board?

 

[HBSound]

Where would the 12 DIMM slots go on a mini ITX board?

Asrock makes motherboards for every format of motherboard for the AMD Epyc. You do not need all 12 slots, why not make a smaller format with 4 dim slots?

 

[A Computer Guy]

I still don't understand who these are for. EPYC is for servers, the 16 core 32 thread regular Ryzen 7950x is for home servers and people who need the threads for work... I just don't understand who buys Threadripper, small businesses that don't need EPYC but need more than 16 cores? That's all I can think of lol

People who need more PCIe lanes, gobs of ECC RAM with certified support, plenty of x16 slots, and good amount of I/O (which you won't find on Epyc server boards).
Also people who probably make actual money from the use of the platform.

I can't wait for the new series to drop so I can see new listings of the older series on ebay which I still can't justify the cost for at the moment.
X399 paired w/ 1950x goes for around $500 if your lucky.

Where would the 12 DIMM slots go on a mini ITX board?

It would be neat if they could put them on the backside.

 

[Crackong]

I can't wait for the new series to drop so I can see new listings of the older series on ebay which I still can't justify the cost for at the moment.

+1
I really want to update to a 5975wx
Just need to wait for them getting cheap......

 

[AnotherReader]

Asrock makes motherboards for every format of motherboard for the AMD Epyc. You do not need all 12 slots, why not make a smaller format with 4 dim slots?

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A 96 core processor would be extremely bottle-necked by 4 channels of DDR5. 32 core SKUs like the 9374F would be fine, but cooling that would require a liquid cooler. That motherboard you showed gives up almost all the IO of an EPYC. What's the point of using an EPYC then?

 

[Tek-Check]

Asrock makes motherboards for every format of motherboard for the AMD Epyc. You do not need all 12 slots, why not make a smaller format with 4 dim slots?

Because this is PRO series with 8 memory channels, so you either get 8 slots for one dimm per channel or 16 slots for two dimms per channel.
Plus, smaller boards cannot support 128 Gen5 PCIe lanes.
Plus, you need more memory bandwidth for crunching numbers. Simple.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

I love the advancement of technology. But for some reason motherboard manufacturers only support the Threadripper Pro processor in the larger format (ATX/E-ATX). No issues finding a smaller format ITX or MATX motherboards for the trivial Intel Xeon processor. For whatever reason, the AMD Threadripper is not supported in that manner. I beleive a lot more interest can take place if the motherboard manufactors supported the Threaripper Pro in the smaller format. To allow the end user to have smaller format workstations. Most workstations these days are only a few at most GPU deep. It would be extremely nice to have a smaller M-ATX Threadripper Pro motherboard with four full PCI lanes and 8 RAM slots. Asrock Rack W790D8UD-1L1N2T/BCM (https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=W790D8UD-1L1N2T/BCM#Specifications) makes this exact motherboard for the Intel Xeon Processor. It will be intteresting to see if they offer this same format motherboard in this exact layout.

View attachment 316131

That motherboard alone, makes me want to see what the leap from Threadripper to Xeon would actually be like. Just for the reason of a smaller format worksation.

Pugetsystems did a review of the W-3400 processors and found Zen3 was 10-15% ahead, so I'd imagine Zen4 is much further ahead. Or you can go to Phoronix who did a review on the Zen4 Epycs including Bergamo and found them superior to the Sapphire Rapids Xeons, even the HBM versions.

 

[kapone32]

The real world use cases for such machines are tiny....

Interesting to see how a 7995WX with 96 Cores benches though and what's the maximum installable ram?

People who work in Media

 

[Wirko]

What about the sockets? WRX50 and TRX50 sound like they're incompatible with SP5 and SP6, despite being equal physically and electrically.

 

[HBSound]

Pugetsystems did a review of the W-3400 processors and found Zen3 was 10-15% ahead, so I'd imagine Zen4 is much further ahead. Or you can go to Phoronix who did a review on the Zen4 Epycs including Bergamo and found them superior to the Sapphire Rapids Xeons, even the HBM versions.

I believe you too. AMD throws out how their Threadripper now is 599X, blows away the W34 series by a long shot. My only thought is, why do we have to have ATX and E-ATX motherboards to enjoy that kind of power? AMD EPYC comes in a few formats that allow you to take into that kind of power, and keep the format small. Everyone can not afford a full-blown server room with a multi-processor - AMD knows that. But everyone does need that kind of server option. So AMD makes the Epycs so the end user can enjoy them regardless of the motherboard format.

 

[unwind-protect]

Where would the 12 DIMM slots go on a mini ITX board?

Just because the CPU can do 12-channel doesn't mean that your mainboard has to have 12 or 24 slots.

 

[AnotherReader]

Just because the CPU can do 12-channel doesn't mean that your mainboard has to have 12 or 24 slots.

Of course, you could only have 2 SODIMM slots instead of RDIMM or LRDIMMs, but that would defeat the purpose of buying an EPYC. In fact, mini ITX sacrifices the IO capability even more than it sacrifices memory capacity and bandwidth. I ask again; what workload needs 96 cores, but can make do with 4 channels of DDR5 and 1 lane of PCIe?