Tuesday, March 8th 2022

AMD Announces Zen 3 Threadripper 5000, but only for Professionals

AMD today launched its first Ryzen Threadripper processors based on the "Zen 3" microarchitecture, with the Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000WX series. Designed to be drop-in compatible with workstations and motherboards based on the AMD WRX80 chipset, these processors come in core-counts of up to 64-core/128-thread, with an enormous I/O offering that includes 8-channel DDR4 memory with ECC support, and a 128-lane PCI-Express 4.0 root complex. The biggest change over the previous generation Threadripper PRO 3000WX series has to be the use of "Zen 3" CCDs, each with 8 CPU cores, sharing a common 32 MB of L3 cache. AMD isn't using the "Zen 3" chiplets with 3DV Cache.

The full AMD PRO management feature-set from Ryzen PRO is available on these processors, including PRO Security, PRO Management, and a special support channel that includes planned parts and software availability. What's more, AMD has been working with ISVs of most professional content-creation software since the past generation of Ryzen Threadripper PRO, to optimize their software for the processors (high core-counts, NUMA topology, etc.). The benefits of these are shared with all generations of Threadrippers. Although all parts in the Threadripper PRO 5000WX series are rated for a TDP of 280 W, AMD claims to have worked on power-management, offering up to 67 percent lower power per core, compared to the competition (2P Xeon Scalable Platinum 8280).
The latest iteration of AMD PRO Security borrows from both the Ryzen 5000 PRO and EPYC "Milan" feature-sets, and mainly sees the introduction of AMD Shadow Stack. AMD describes this as a "security feature addresses threat vectors such as return oriented programming attacks. It helps by keeping a record of the return addresses so a comparison can be made to ensure integrity is not compromised. In addition, AMD Shadow Stack enables Microsoft hardware enforced stack protection." You also get AMD Secure Memory (hardware-accelerated memory encryption), and a hardware-based dynamic root of trust.
Generationally, AMD has not increased the CPU core-counts. What's changed are the increased IPC from the "Zen 3" architecture, multi-threaded performance improvements from the 8-core CCX design (all 8 cores on a CCD sharing a single 32 MB L3 cache), and generational increases in clock-speeds. All models in the series come with maximum boost frequency of up to 4.50 GHz, and preferred cores on each CCD (two cores per CCD, which can sustain the highest boost frequencies).
There are five models in the Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000WX series. The series begins with the 12-core/24-thread Threadripper PRO 5945WX (two CCDs, each with 6 cores enabled). The processor is clocked at 4.10 GHz. The Threadripper PRO 5955WX is a 16-core/32-thread part clocked at 4.00 GHz, with two CCDs that have all eight cores enabled. The Threadripper PRO 5965WX is a 24-core/48-thread part with 3.80 GHz base frequency, and four CCDs that each have 6 enabled cores. The Threadripper PRO 5975WX is a 32-core/64-thread part with 3.60 GHz base frequency, and is made up of four CCDs with all their cores enabled. Much like the 3000WX series, AMD skipped a 48-core/96-thread part, and went straight for the 5995WX, with its maxed out 64-core/128-thread count, and 2.70 GHz base frequency, with eight 8-core CCDs. All models come with 4.50 GHz as the boost frequency, and 280 W TDP.
AMD posted a variety of performance claims against competing Intel solutions. The blue team doesn't have these many cores on a single package, and so AMD set up 2P machines of the latest Xeon Scalable parts available in the market, for its comparisons. Find the benchmarks in the slide-deck below.
As for availability, AMD did not release pricing information, because these processors will not be available in the retail channel just yet. They will be offered exclusively with the Lenovo ThinkStation P620 line of pre-built workstations. This is exactly how AMD released the previous-generation of Threadripper PRO chips. Retail availability of the Threadripper PRO 3000WX followed Lenovo exclusivity by about 3 months, which could be the case with even these chips.
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12 Comments on AMD Announces Zen 3 Threadripper 5000, but only for Professionals

#1
Chaitanya
Has 7nm fab improved in capacity? Its a little too late and there is no non Pro TR this time around.
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Slizzo
ChaitanyaHas 7nm fab improved in capacity? Its a little too late and there is no non Pro TR this time around.
Probably has, but they haven't had supply issues with their chiplets for CPUs for a while now. But this is getting real close to Zen4 launch, so I'm not too terribly surprised that no non-PRO Threadripper has been announced.


That said, I don't expect Zen 4 TR to be announced this year. Maybe, but probably not.
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#3
bobsled
SlizzoProbably has, but they haven't had supply issues with their chiplets for CPUs for a while now. But this is getting real close to Zen4 launch, so I'm not too terribly surprised that no non-PRO Threadripper has been announced.


That said, I don't expect Zen 4 TR to be announced this year. Maybe, but probably not.
I suspect standard threadripper is gone in lieu of either Pro, or desktop chips - you now have 16c desktop processors available on AM4.
I’d like to grab a new TR chip but they really screwed over previous buyers, twice, and eventually lagged desktop counterparts by almost a generation.
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cyrand
bobsledI suspect standard threadripper is gone in lieu of either Pro, or desktop chips - you now have 16c desktop processors available on AM4.
I’d like to grab a new TR chip but they really screwed over previous buyers, twice, and eventually lagged desktop counterparts by almost a generation.
I think it as simple as there still 0 competition for Zen 2 Threadripper even after being out for over 2 years. If Intel decide to launch a version of Sapphire Rapids equivalent to none pro Threadripper and it actually decent I betting AMD will respond fairly quickly with a new non pro Threadripper line. Weather that Zen 3 or Zen 4 will depends on when Intel launches it and how good is it.
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#5
ir_cow
No 3D Cache... I guess AMD is reserving that for the next TR socket.
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#7
Cutechri
btarunrDesigned to be drop-in compatible with workstations and motherboards based on the AMD WRX80 chipset
Just rubbing it in the faces of TR4 / TRX40 owners
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#8
Nephilim666
CutechriJust rubbing it in the faces of TR4 / TRX40 owners
Yep.

Having these Lenovo exclusive for 3 months makes them essentially DOA. No business is going to build DDR4 workstations that get borderline equivalent parallelized performance as prior gen in Q3 2022.
The only folk who would've snapped all these up are the dual use buyers who want the higher IPC for occasional gaming on existing trx40 but they're not releasing for that platform.

There's a reason none of the slides show a comparison to 3000 series TR. It would be probably 12% IPC and 2% multithreaded uplift.

I'll wait until AM5 teething issues settle and then see how the 16-core compares to these TR chips and whatever Intel has at the time. It's a really bad time to buy super high core count systems.
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eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
ir_cowNo 3D Cache... I guess AMD is reserving that for the next TR socket.
AM* Platform is the test bed.
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44722E4D616E68617474616E
As a long time reader I would have appreaciated a little bit of more information about such an important release to content creators and engineers!

Anyway, here it is:

AMD Threadripper PRO 5000 workstation CPUs officially unveiled: Zen 3 with up to 64 cores, 4.5 GHz clock speed and 280 W TDP

AMD has officially announced the launch of its Zen 3-based Threadripper PRO 5000 CPUs, targeting the ultra-workstation segment:

www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2022-03-08-new-amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-5000-wx-series-processors-are-the-ultimate

Zen 3 comes to Threadripper in the form of the AMD Threadripper PRO 5000 CPU family, with no competition from Intel.

After a very long delay, the AMD Threadripper PRO 5000 family based on the Zen 3 core architecture is finally here. With up to 64 cores, the new workstation-focused chips offer up to 19% more IPC in the same package and on the same platform as the previous Zen 2-based Threadripper chips.

AMD Threadripper PRO 5000 CPU lineup

Information about AMD's Ryzen Threadripper 5000 HEDT CPUs has been leaking for some time. The lineup includes the 64-core Threadripper PRO 5995WX, 32-core 5975WX, 24-core 5965WX, 16-core 5955WX and the 12-core 5945WX. All of these chips are based on the Zen 3-core architecture, so we can expect big gains in single and multi-threaded workloads. All CPUs have a TDP of 280 W and a boost clock of up to 4.5 GHz (via a single core).

AMD Threadripper PRO 5000 CPU specifications

Speaking of specifications: The flagship Threadripper PRO 5995WX will have 64 cores and 128 threads. It features 256 MB of L3 cache, 128 PCIe Gen 4.0 lanes, 280 W TDP and offers support for 8-channel DDR4 memory with up to 2 TB capacity. Clock speeds are 2.7 GHz base and 4.5 GHz boost.

It looks like all models below the 5995WX, such as the 5975WX and 5965WX, will have a slightly disabled die with 128 MB of L3 cache. This is half of what the flagship offers. Clock speeds are 3.6 GHz (base) and 4.5 GHz (boost) for the 32-core variant and 3.8 GHz (base) and 4.5 GHz (boost) for the 24-core variant. Further down the line, we find the 5955WX with 16 cores and the 5945WX with 12 cores. Both chips have 64 MB L3 cache, a quarter of the cache of the top chip, and the clock rates are 4.0/4.5 GHz and 4.1/4.5 GHz, respectively.

AMD Threadripper PRO 5000 CPU prices and performance

In terms of performance, there is currently no competition to the Threadripper PRO 5000 CPU line. They are much faster than anything Intel has to offer in the workstation segment and deliver even more performance thanks to the Zen 3 cores.


The price is also expected to be higher than the Zen 2 lineup, which is to be expected given the price increase of the Ryzen 5000 mainstream CPUs over the Ryzen 3000 models. We've also seen some hints that AMD is going the dual-socket route for its Threadripper PRO line for workstations, which would allow up to 128 cores and 256 threads on a single x86 PC. But for now, these chips are only exclusive to Lenovo's Thinkstation P620 workstation PC. As long as they are not available in the DIY segment, the exact SKU prices still remain to be seen.

www.lenovo.com/us/en/thinkstation-p620/?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.amd.com%252F

This launch will definitely give AMD an edge over Intel, which will introduce its own Sapphire Rapids HEDT family later in the second half of 2022 for the W790 platform.

Both Intel and AMD last launched their HEDT CPUs in November 2019, AMD also released its workstation/prosumer Threadripper chips, but Intel has failed to capture the HEDT market since then. With the new HEDT CPU families launching in 2022, we will once again see heated competition in this segment, especially since both CPU vendors will offer brand new core architectures for the platform.

Sources:

www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2022-03-08-new-amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-5000-wx-series-processors-are-the-ultimate

New AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series Processors are the Ultimate Workstation Processors for Professionals with Up-to Double the Performance of Competing Solutions

SANTA CLARA, Calif.

03/08/2022

Today, AMD (NASDAQ: AMD) announced the new AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO 5000 WX-Series workstation processors, led by the 64-core, 128-thread AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5995WX. Building on the best-selling and award-winning Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3000 WX processors, the Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors bring dominant, full-spectrum performance leadership across multiple workstation workloads due to the performance and efficiency of the “Zen 3” core architecture and increased processor frequencies.1,2 Today also marks the launch of the first workstations powered by the new AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors – the Lenovo ThinkStation P620 featuring all five of the AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processor models – providing workstation users with industry-leading performance.2

“For many workstation users, success is dependent on having the right tools to complete jobs quickly, which is why they need hardware that provides unmatched performance and gives them a competitive edge,” said Saeid Moshkelani, senior vice president and general manager, client business unit. “We created the Ryzen Threadripper PRO Ryzen 5000 WX-Series processors with this in mind, bringing professionals the incredible performance and efficiency needed to run today’s most demanding workstation applications faster than ever before.”

“We have rendered an incredible amount of frames with EPYC™ server processors and a Threadripper Pro 5000WX processor. The magic is in the iterations. A single visual effects shot could have hundreds or more updates and it takes immense processing power to turn around these iterations quickly,” said Paul Lambert, two-time Academy Award winner and VFX Supervisor for Dune. “We’ve been lucky to demo the new Threadripper PRO. We’re seeing a 2X improvement on our CPU render times.”
“Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series were the best performing processors we have tested for ILM StageCraft,” said Nick Rasmussen, Principal Engineer and Architect, StageCraft, Industrial Light & Magic. “It’s significantly faster than the equivalent Threadripper PRO 3000 WX processor, and we saw up to a 2X or more speedup on CPU heavy loads versus our performance baseline. This high performance coupled with the extensive I/O capabilities makes Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series an ideal workstation processor for our cutting-edge virtual production work."

“Over the last two years, we’ve seen tremendous market demand for the ThinkStation P620 across industries where our customers depend on us to provide professional-grade workstations that can not only keep pace, but outperform what was previously possible,” said Rob Herman, Vice President of Lenovo’s Workstation and Client AI Business Unit. “We’re excited to continue working closely with AMD to bring the next generation of the ThinkStation P620, powered by the latest Ryzen Threadripper PRO processors, to artists, architects, engineers and other demanding professional users. With this new system, our customers can accelerate increasingly complex workflows in order to get more done in less time.”

"Ever since their introduction, the Ryzen Threadripper CPUs have offered impressive rendering performance,” said Vlado Koylazov, Academy Award Winner and Co-Founder, Chaos. “The new Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors further improve on this, allowing 3D artists and architectural visualization professionals unparalleled ability to accomplish even more in less time.”

“This year we've began migrating all global studios production systems to AMD, with EPYC processors powering our render farms and Threadripper PRO processors powering our workstations,” said Sayma Mishra, Chief DCC Technology Officer, Binyan Studios. “The new capabilities and performance have been a game changer for Binyan Studios and AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors take us to new heights.”

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO Processors

The AMD Threadripper processor lineup redefined the workstation market when it launched in 2017, bringing unmatched core counts and multi-threaded performance for enthusiasts, prosumers and professional users. Since its first generation, AMD has continued to expand the Threadripper lineup, increasing the performance, core, and thread counts reflected in real-world success, while introducing key support and security features for enterprise users, providing the tools necessary to handle the most demanding creative and production workloads quickly and efficiently.

Building on the success of AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3000 WX processors, the Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors combine the incredible performance of the “Zen 3” architecture with the enterprise security features, manageability, and scalability of AMD PRO technologies. With higher frequencies and an enhanced L3 cache architecture, the new Ryzen Threadripper PRO processors ensure users can tackle lightly threaded workloads, while also delivering leading multithreaded performance.3

Leadership Performance

Delivering up to double the performance of competing single socket solutions4 and up to 95% higher performance than workstations using two competing server processors, AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors deliver dominant performance on multiple workloads across the entire product portfolio.5
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors support an industry-leading 128 PCIe 4.0 lanes, enabling more graphics and storage expandability than competing solutions. The processors enable up to 43% higher graphics performance and up to 2.2x the storage performance of competing solutions.6

Advancing Efficiency

Consuming up to 67% lower power per core, AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors deliver up to double the performance-to-power ratio of competing solutions.7 The processor’s highly efficient “Zen 3” cores advance sustainability, while delivering industry-leading performance.2
Designed to handle the most complex professional workloads, the Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processor lineup delivers the ability to render and edit in 8K, develop complex simulations and designs and rapidly develop and compile code to give professionals a competitive edge and do more in less time.

Product Specifications

ModelCores/ThreadsBoost/Base Frequency (GHz)Total Cache (MB)TDP (Watts)PCIe 4.0 LanesMemmory Support
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO 5995WX64/128Up to 4.5/2.7288 MB288 W128Up to 2TB ECC UDIMM, RDIMM, LRDIMM
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO 5975WX32/64Up to 4.5/3.6288 MB288 W128Up to 2TB ECC UDIMM, RDIMM, LRDIMM
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO 5965WX24/48Up to 4.5/3.8288 MB288 W128Up to 2TB ECC UDIMM, RDIMM, LRDIMM
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO 5955WX16/32Up to 4.5/4.0288 MB288 W128Up to 2TB ECC UDIMM, RDIMM, LRDIMM
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO 5945WX12/24Up to 4.5/4.1288 MB288 W128Up to 2TB ECC UDIMM, RDIMM, LRDIMM

Built for Professionals

Supporting the incredible performance of Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors and helping create a solution for the most demanding professionally managed IT environments, are several AMD PRO technologies including:
  • AMD Memory Guard – Encrypts memory to prevent physical attacks on sensitive data.
  • AMD Secure Processor – Integrated, on-chip security processor designed to protect sensitive data and validate code before it is executed.
  • AMD Shadow Stack – Innovative set of hardware protections built into the processor to help mitigate a common type of malware attack by preventing memory modification for instructions.

Availability

The new AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000 WX-Series processors are available in the Lenovo ThinkStation P620.
Source: www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2022-03-08-new-amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-5000-wx-series-processors-are-the-ultimate
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#11
Crackong
AMD isn't using the "Zen 3" chiplets with 3DV Cache
As one of those running a 3955wx as a VM host, I have little interest on these since they have no 3DV cache.

Maybe wait until the price drops and I'll pick up a 32 core.
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#12
Slizzo
cyrandI think it as simple as there still 0 competition for Zen 2 Threadripper even after being out for over 2 years. If Intel decide to launch a version of Sapphire Rapids equivalent to none pro Threadripper and it actually decent I betting AMD will respond fairly quickly with a new non pro Threadripper line. Weather that Zen 3 or Zen 4 will depends on when Intel launches it and how good is it.
Alder Lake-X has actually been rumored for release around the same time as Raptor Lake-S. So competition is looking to come back to the HEDT platforms.
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