OFFICIAL Battlefield 4 (Discussion)

[MT Alex]

yeah, bunny hop like I do in bf3 and hell since quake 1 doesn't work the same so your necks are safe till I figure it out. In the meantime don't forget to look over your shoulders byatches.

You wouldn't stab wittle ol' me, would ya?

 

[Ed_1]

I remember the optimizations in place for the Alpha and Beta in BF3 were terrible and stopped me from buying it upon release. I only picked it up about 2-3 months after release when I read how the game improved significantly. I expect the same rocky start for BF4 at launch, unfortunately.

I'm surprised that your i5 is hitting the 80's, my i7 is older.

while my 4 cores are 3/4 used, I bet some of your HT cores get some usage ?
Oh, I am running free beta , not sure how much it is different from bought one ?

It runs ok here , a bit jumpy in FPS , micro-stutter in random times , if I could just keep from getting killed it wouldn't be bad

 

[Crap Daddy]

while my 4 cores are 3/4 used, I bet some of your HT cores get some usage ?
Oh, I am running free beta , not sure how much it is different from bought one ?

It runs ok here , a bit jumpy in FPS , micro-stutter in random times , if I could just keep from getting killed it wouldn't be bad

This beta is free for all so what you play is what all are playing.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Yes we just got it earlier.

Yeah I kinda hop around too (along with zigzagging; all part of dodging fire) but not constantly. Is kind of a hold over from Quake X as well as the Half Life 1 and 2 mod days for me as well I guess...

LOL that makes me think of this BF4 chat screenshot I saw where some dumbass asks if you "can rocket jump in this game" and some guy says "Yes" and then expletives follow.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

After reading the reviews on AMD new cards I think people with a 670 will enjoy good frame rates with a mature game and drivers. It was kinda a sigh of relief when I saw the less than spectacular results from W1zz.

Not trying to turn this into a debate on e-peen or brandwarz. Just saying people with a generation old card (AMD or NVIDIA) are gonna be pretty set for the next year or so in BF4 depending on the card.

Well that's because pretty much everything from 280x and below are rebrands. Got to wait for the 290 290x for the actual new cards.

 

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

After reading the reviews on AMD new cards I think people with a 670 will enjoy good frame rates with a mature game and drivers. It was kinda a sigh of relief when I saw the less than spectacular results from W1zz.

Not trying to turn this into a debate on e-peen or brandwarz. Just saying people with a generation old card (AMD or NVIDIA) are gonna be pretty set for the next year or so in BF4 depending on the card.

Unless this Manta API thing really kicks off and shows massive performance gains like they predict. Only then will I see the point in upgrading from the 7970.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Unless this Manta API thing really kicks off and shows massive performance gains like they predict. Only then will I see the point in upgrading from the 7970.

As far as I understood mantle can be used by any GCN card so no need to upgrade from a 7970.

 

[mastrdrver]

yeah, bunny hop like I do in bf3 and hell since quake 1 doesn't work the same so your necks are safe till I figure it out. In the meantime don't forget to look over your shoulders byatches.

How often were you hoping? I was doing it every 1 or 2 steps.

I also have sprint set to toggle fwiw.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Unless this Manta API thing really kicks off and shows massive performance gains like they predict. Only then will I see the point in upgrading from the 7970.

As far as I understood mantle can be used by any GCN card so no need to upgrade from a 7970.

I don't see Mantle taking off to quickly. Though the only thing hurting it's potential is AMDs execution of it, sometimes their execution of things falls pretty short.

Mantle is nothing more then a successor to their old API they had called Stream really.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few months, and years into the next gen life cycle, see how many devs take advantage of mantle, since PS4 and Xbox One consoles will be running their hardware.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I don't see Mantle taking off to quickly. Though the only thing hurting it's potential is AMDs execution of it, sometimes their execution of things falls pretty short.

Mantle is nothing more then a successor to their old API they had called Stream really.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few months, and years into the next gen life cycle, see how many devs take advantage of mantle, since PS4 and Xbox One consoles will be running their hardware.

That's Dave or Crazyeyes talk. I know you didn't come up with that on your own lol.

 

[Frick]

That's Dave or Crazyeyes talk. I know you didn't come up with that on your own lol.

and you are talking to a man that codes more shit than probably anyone on this site lulz I would expect W1zz to have idea of what to expect. Just as actually game developers / designs do and while Mantle is a great idea I fail to see it taking off. After all its just a continuation of AMDs older Stream and CTM that never took off in the first place.

THe problem isnt the idea it is usually AMDs execution. Regardless while the Mantle API could be useful without backing from Nvidia it wont be rapidly adopted and as such will eventually fail to gain traction.

To put it bluntly Nvidia still controls greater than 50% at 52% of the GPU market according to the Steam Hardware survey. While AMD sits at just 33% and Intel at 14%

Considering their competitiors hardware = 66% of the steam user base or 2 / 3 AMD has alot they need to do before they can truly push Mantle. Developers cannot and will not risk PC sales by using Mantle in serious ways. It will be more like Nvidia's PhysX in that it adds more pretty or performance is better but ends up being completely uneccessary to run and enjoy the game.

I never said it wasn't interesting I just don't see developers taking it all that seriously maybe 3-4 years from now but even then that will be due to all new game engines from the ground up.

Key things to look at it

It requires game engine integration which takes time and money not only that you then need to educate your coders and team i general on how to make the best use of the API documentation for this also takes time. Building tools to take advantage of it takes time.

The API needs proper support from the ground up. Considering AMD has a hard time even getting their multi-gpu configurations working properly you can say I will be mighty impressed if this ends up as something more than a bullet point on the back of the GPU box.

Also while it takes advantage of GCN should AMD abandon GCN in the future and change their design philosophy then what? Direct X and Open GL may not be as efficient but it cares less about the architecture. So while AMD does have dominance in the console market their ability to force that on the PC market comes down to execution and market share which are two things AMD lacks.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191525

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

LOL. Though I think he still deserves kudos. One actually has to read and comprehend all Crazy says! So good post; +1, Insightful.

And ain't that the truth re. "execution".

P.S. If only Crazyeyes lived in Silicon Valley instead of BFE Maine...

 

[TheMailMan78]

LOL. Though I think he still deserves kudos. One actually has to read and comprehend all Crazy says! So good post; +1, Insightful.

And ain't that the truth re. "execution".

P.S. If only Crazyeyes lived in Silicon Valley instead of BFE Maine...

Christmas trees don't grow well in California.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

That's Dave or Crazyeyes talk. I know you didn't come up with that on your own lol.

They were talking about it in TS. I then went and looked up what Stream was after crazy mentioned it as i had no idea ATI had such a thing a while back.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Yeah actually I didn't either. At first I though it said "Steam" lmao...

Christmas trees don't grow well in California.

Gee if only he were smart and knowledgable enough to work in some other, much-better-paying industry.

And I try to compliment and defend Phenom yet he thanks Mailman.

 

[TheMailMan78]

They were talking about it in TS. I then went and looked up what Stream was after crazy mentioned it as i had no idea ATI had such a thing a while back.

Yeah Stream doesn't seem like it was all that long ago until I realized I'm getting old.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Yeah actually I didn't either. At first I though it said "Steam" lmao...



Gee if only he were smart and knowledgable enough to work in some other, much-better-paying industry.

And I try to compliment and defend Phenom yet he thanks Mailman.

for the christmas trees comment. Since crazy works at a christmas tree lot.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

Christmas trees don't grow well in California.

That will do mailman, that will do.

 

[Phobia9651]

Obliteration is now available for Siege of Shanghai!

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Ah sweet! Glad they changed it up a little (like getting Caspian in BF3).

for the christmas trees comment. Since crazy works at a christmas tree lot.

Yeah I got that...

Edit: Shib I got a pic for you! (but, no worries, as this guy on Reddit said "This is going to be hilarious once we get commander and mortars").

 

[ShiBDiB]

ugh... gladly most of them suck at sniping but still..


The new game mode seems neat, but it absolutely needs a team that plays objectives

 

[ACidBaseD]

Has anyone tried BF4 Beta on R9-270X? Can't seem to find any benchmarks of it.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

I just read Obliteration has Mobile AA!

 

[Hilux SSRG]

Has anyone tried BF4 Beta on R9-270X? Can't seem to find any benchmarks of it.

I haven't seen any yet, but should be once the 270 and 280 are available for purchase.

 

[Phobia9651]

I just read Obliteration has Mobile AA!

Yes, and it smells a bit OP already, pretty decent at destroying infantry/armor and it takes more hits to take down than BF3.