Buying ram this any good?

[Darren]

I not sure what else to suggest as far as the ram is concerned. I find it strange that with a 6x multi you get mild success.

heh

if that fails im going to just buy a new motherboard that suports my ram and build this one into a cheapo gaming rig.

If you proceed with this route you might be better off. Stick the entire rig on ebay for £299, and put an extra £100 ontop of that and build yourself a AMD build. Phenom II 720 BE/4870.

 

[Steve-007UK]

sound like a good idea i do like AMD ill see what i can do hehe

 

[Sir_Real]

Heres how i have my identical ram set for everyday use.

 

[Steve-007UK]

@sir real why not tighten the timings? i can run my ram the same as you with my cpu at 1600FSB 2800mhz core speed but with lower timings of 5/5/5/15.

i also managed to push the ram to 952mhz but anything over that results in a failed boot.

 

[Sir_Real]

@sir real why not tighten the timings? i can run my ram the same as you with my cpu at 1600FSB 2800mhz core speed but with lower timings of 5/5/5/15.

i also managed to push the ram to 952mhz but anything over that results in a failed boot.

I'm not really bothered about running this pc with max pos overclock. It runs cod4 nice & thats about as hard as it gets pushed.
I'll be looking at upgrading hardware when both win7 & DX11 come out & have taken off abit.

 

[Steve-007UK]

Hi all me again, does anyone know of any ram that will run with this gigashit mobo at 1066mhz 2x2gig because it realy is looking like the ram i have ain't gonna work and im not gonna be happy with it at 800mhz because that is not what i payed for and could have spent the money on something else that would not make me so damn angry lol.

have tryed contacting OCZ and all they have said is try this and that and i have already tryed everything. as for gigabyte they are useless ill probs be waiting till next year for a reply of them, and ebuyer well i set up an enote but im not ringing them at 10p per minute when i could be on hold for upto 16 mins (its not my phone bill).

 

[Darren]

Hi all me again, does anyone know of any ram that will run with this gigashit mobo at 1066mhz 2x2gig because it realy is looking like the ram i have ain't gonna work and im not gonna be happy with it at 800mhz because that is not what i payed for and could have spent the money on something else that would not make me so damn angry lol.

have tryed contacting OCZ and all they have said is try this and that and i have already tryed everything. as for gigabyte they are useless ill probs be waiting till next year for a reply of them, and ebuyer well i set up an enote but im not ringing them at 10p per minute when i could be on hold for upto 16 mins (its not my phone bill).

There is no point contacting OCZ, it has nothing to do with them as the lifetime warranty only kicks in after eBuyers 30 days refund period, use the eNote facility or within the account section of eBuyer there is a RMA section, you can organise a RMA claim, they will process it and give you a RMA number and you can select a day in which they'll collect the faulty memory, a phone call does not need to be made. If you are positive that you've received the wrong memory ask for an exchange with eBuyer, exchange it for memory within the same price range for example there is the Corsair 2GBx4 for £38.63 or Kingston HyperX 2GBx4 for £38.99.

 

[Steve-007UK]

cheers for the reply darren, i have found out some info to.

CPU-Z dosen't realy report the ram wrong, what it does is take one stick and use the info from that, this is why the model number is a little diffrent. the model number on the ram is a packaged number so basicly the last 3 numbers/letters (4GK) meens 4 gig kit, but cpu-z only see's one stick at a time so the end number is 2g or 2gig hope that makes sense.

finaly got a reply from gigabyte to they asked if the ram works in a single stick at rated speed but nope i get the same error beeps.

im just waiting for ebuyer to get back to me with options so ill post back when i find out more.

cheers again for all the help do apreciate it loads.

woot result did an RMA then phoned the number that they gave and ram has been put down as faulty no questions asked, so i get to use this ram till tuesday next week. now to find ram that is going to work missions.

now the prob of working out what is going to work and what won't.

i like the XMS ram and the kingston hyper X but still don't know if its going to work 100%

 

[Sir_Real]

I also have 2x 2gb sticks of pc8500 kingston hyperX in my other rig. Tell ya wot i'll do a quick swop over of pc8500 ocz gold to the pc8500 kingston hyperX in this rig. I never bothered swopping them over to see how they compair when overclocking.

I'll post results shortly.

 

[Steve-007UK]

cheers sir real.

im still unsure what to buy now as i still can't find any real info on what my mohterboard will run. hopefully ill get some info soon tho

 

[Sir_Real]

P8500 Ocz gold vs P8500 Kingston HyperX

Ok after about 2 hours of buggering about i've cum up with my own conclusion. But to be ohnist i'm no expert on overclocking & i'm not 100% sure as to wot sum of the bios settings are for. I use trial & error to find wot settings give the highest preformace in cpu & mem benchmarks.

Well in this msi p43 neo mobo & E8200 these settings seem to give the best stable preformance.

I could get both sets of ram to run at 400fsb & dram frequency @ 533mhz(1066). ok but this didnt give the best preformace. Did better with a lower fsb:dram frequency divider. 1:1 or 1:1:20 that maybe shown as 5:6 on some mobos.

Conclusion:

I didnt seem to find any gain or loss having swopped to the Ocz gold to Kingston hyperX. With either set this rig would max out with the same settings. & become unstable at the same point.

I've now slapped the ocz gold in my other rig running a E5300@3.5ghz doesnt seem to have become unstable with the change from ocz gold to kingston hx.

animal007uk i dont really see why you feel the need to run your dram frequency @ 533mhz(1066).. You gain nothing from having the dram frequency alot higher than the bus speed & its not as if your going to get that E6550 bus speed anywhere nare 533mhz that word mean running your E5660 with a 2132fsb !!!
Your prob miss understanding how the settings work. Your E5660 staits a 1333fsb yeah. So you only need pc667 to run that cpu at the staited 1333fsb (intel times the real fsb speed by 4) so the true speed is just 333mhz. Times by 4 as its ddr2 like having 4 sticks of 333mhz sdram slapped together.

PC667 runs at 333mhz so with a fsb:dram divider at 1:1 it can run cpu's with 1333fsb
PC800 runs at 400mhz so with a fsb:dram divider at 1:1 it can run cpu's with 1600fsb
PC8500 runs at 533mhz so with a fsb:dram divider at 1:1 it can run cpu's with 2132fsb

Wot people seem to forget is even P45 mobos only stait the top fsb at 1600 !

 

[Darren]

animal007uk,

I just sold my current PC6400 OCZ memory ebay (2 GBx4) and I'm going to order the PC8500 OCZ gold from eBuyer.

We'll see if I manage stability at the rated speed!

 

[Steve-007UK]

its not about being faster than 800mhz or 667mhz its just the fact i bought that ram and it dont bloody work so i want ram that will and i want my moneys worth. 4 gig 1066mhz ram is only a few more £ than 800mhz and i had the money so i wanted 1066 even if it makes a diff or not.

i found what i need now anyway and on the manufaturer website it says its compatilbe so ill give it a try and if that don't work then i need a new PSU and if that dont work antoher new motherboard is needed lol.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166818

same speed and timings so should run almost the same but it will take 2.2 volts according to manufaturer site with 5/5/5/15 timings or 5/6/6/18 2.1 volts

@darren

cool will be good to see how it works out for you hope you have better luck than i did.

after days and days of serching the net it turns out that its not just me who has probs with this ram and gigabyte mobo's. here are some models that hate the 1066mhz ocz gold..

GA EP45-DS3
GA EP45-DS3R
GA EP45-DS3L
GA EP45-UD3 few revisions the list goes on

most people have the boot problem i did where the pc wont post but will beep around 6 times then restart then beep around 23 times restart then it will post at 800mhz, other people end up with blue screens of death lol. so i conclude this ram and motherboard combo just don't work...

 

[Steve-007UK]

Well i was bored while sorting out this new memory so i decided to have a mess for the fun of it before this old ram gets sent bacl

CPU seems to overclock nice but im not leaving it at this speed yet because i'm waiting for this new ram and i need a new PSU to to be honest.

ok lied did a few more tweaks.

My cpu also hasent hit 60c current max temp 54c, i have bios set to bleep at 60c and no bleeps yet.

right im of to bed got to be up at 7, been on the beer most the day lol. gonna leave pc overclocked till iw ake up, hopefully it will still be running hahaha

 

[Sir_Real]

Well avin just looked at them screenies its quite obveus theres nothing wrong with your ram.

Most people would be more than happy with that overclock !

You have the fsb upto 1832(458 in real terms) that could well be maxing out the cpu or the mobo chipset. So why you feel the need to exchange the new ocz ram i dont know?

See you have lowered the fsb:dram divider to 1:1 ratio. Thats alot better there was no point in trying to run the ocz ram at 1066mhz. You can still get a good overclock keeping the frequency below 1000.

 

[Steve-007UK]

Sir Real i think you misunderstand what im trying to get at with this.

I'm more than happy with this pc it dont error or blue screen or give me trouble when left alone the only prob i have is having ram that has some sort of compatiblity problem and this is why its got to go back. but anyways ill fill you in when i sort the other ram out but things are a pain atm due to how ebuyer do refunds, im having to loan another £50 to get the new ram.

bit more info see my idea was to find ram that is stable at 1066mhz then drop it down to 800mhz then overclock the cpu and ram at same time so it stays at a 1/1 ratio the idea was to clock the cpu til ram hit 1066mhz if that makes sense.

its all part of the fun i love to mess with this pc its the main reason i built it up.

p.s im new to intel to btw this is my first intel cpu since i started messing with pc's around 12 years ago so the question is what sort of volts do you guys and gals pump into ya cpu when overclocking ?
mine defaults at 1.35 so thats what i left it at when i pushed my cpu to 3200mhz.

 

[Sir_Real]

animal007uk
see my idea was to find ram that is stable at 1066mhz then drop it down to 800mhz then overclock the cpu and ram at same time so it stays at a 1/1 ratio the idea was to clock the cpu til ram hit 1066mhz if that makes sense.

Ok but as i av already said in a earlier reply " its not as if your going to get that E6550 bus speed anywhere nare 533mhz(1066) at 1:1 ratio that word mean running your E6550 with a 2132fsb !!!"

That just seems an unrealistic goal ! Anyway you seem quite determind so good luck

 

[Steve-007UK]

as we know my ram won't do 1066mhz but if i leave it at 800mhz and CPU-FSB@333 everything is then normal.

now to get and overclock and ram to 1066mhz meens i need an FSB of 444mhz witch will set my CPU to 3100mhz, as you can see above i already had my cpu to 3200mhz so i think it can be done but only time and testing will tell.

just got an email back from gigabyte and they showed pics of my OCZ gold running at 1066mhz so im starting to think this ram is bad anyway so im glad i decided to send it back.

gigabyte also pissed me of they told me to set some settings that i did from day one lol. i even sent them my settings that are identical to theres lmfao its like talking to a brick wall but then again i bet some of you feel like that trying to help me with this stuff but i am not going to give up.

also i don't plan of leaving everything overclocked i just like testing and messing that is why i built this pc up as is so my point here is if my new ram wqorks at 1066 ill be happy and if it don't then i say i have a prob with my motherboard instead inless my PSU is the weakest link but seeing as it ram my cpu at 3200mhz and ram at 950mhz im not so sure but a new PSU is on its way next week.

also remeber ill be testing this when my new ram gets here and not with this OCZ gold.

 

[Sir_Real]

now to get and overclock and ram to 1066mhz meens i need an FSB of 444mhz witch will set my CPU to 3100mhz, as you can see above i already had my cpu to 3200mhz so i think it can be done but only time and testing will tell.

That dont make alot of sence to me? I guess you have changed the divider setting ?
I've already showed you my ocz gold running at 1066mhz (You double the Dram frequency shown by cpu-z) "dram clock speed:1066mhz" was the speed my bios was showing.

But as i had to change the divider to 3:4 the bus speed was still only 400mhz (1600fsb) there for it was pointless having the ram frequency at 1066mhz was gaining me nothing over havin the divider at 1:1 & the dram frequency also at 400mhz (800mhz in the bios).

So yes pc8500 ocz gold will run at 533mhz (1066 in double data rate terms) but your mobo chipset & cpu has no chance of making it to the 533mhz bus speed at 1:1 divider.

This is made so hard to explain by the fact. CPU-z shows true speeds & not double data rate terms like a bios does. Also that intel times the true bus speed by 4 for there fsb rating Well i got my head round it now but its dam hard to explain

 

[Steve-007UK]

haha yeah i know what ya meen i confused myself to lol.
and yup my devider was changed i just diden't notice it lol i forget these things sometimes heads been all over the place the last week to with work and sorting out new ram lol. im just leaving the pc normal now untill i get this new ram then ill have a little mess, just hope the new ram runs at 1066mhz if it does im happy ill also do some test and if it makes no diff at 1066mhz ill just drop back to 800mhz and clock it with the cpu and lower some timings lol.

New memory is ordered and will be here wednessday, this OCZ stuff goes back tuesday so 1 night without the pc crys so no more testing till wednesday night inless the ram gets here in the day and i'm not at work.

 

[Steve-007UK]

New ram should be here in 30 mins if they don't mess it up again, UPS turned up on the wrong day but told ebuyer they had took the old ram back so i have to mess about sorting that out, the new ram should have been here this morning but parcel force ain't supose to turn up till after 7.30am but the idiots turned up sometime before 7am so had to ring them and demanded they sort it out.

its been a proper bad day to been working in the rain so ain't to happy as you can all probs tell..

YAY New ram is here, now to see if it boots up at right speeds now if not gonna keep it anyway can't be arsed with all the stress.. be back in 1 hour gonna reload win 7 fresh to.

welll had to do a few things before i had a mess, pc had a fit with this new ram but luckly i had borrowed 1gig of 667mhz ram.

got pc to boot with new ram at 800mhz so i now think the power pack is defo the prob.

 

[Steve-007UK]

im not having much luck with ram lol so last thing to buy now is a new PSU.

I have saved up £60 so far but might chuck another £15 onto that so lets say £75 in all, im looking for a nice PSU with a single rail and shit load of amps at least 60/70amps, Can anyone recomend a nice good reliable one please.

i've looked at a few PSU's but just cant decide so any help is great.

cheers in advance.