Considering this build as an upgrade to a 6 year old comp

[slyfox2151]

After having a look at the store your shopping at... the next one up in the same capacity is over $100 more :*(
even so you should definetly look for somthing a little faster, 220 mbps read speed 160 write speed is decent performance for SSD.

 

[n-ster]

TBH your spending WAY TOO MUCH!!! for better bang/buck, there is defiitely work to be done... to me, i7 920 is good bang/buck, but the choices for the hardware can be better... Also, buying used from this site may save you alot

 

[DirectorC]

I am happy others mentioned the speed of the SSD you're buying. That is a waste. To get real performance from an SSD, you're going to have to bump it up a notch:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220457

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227462

Each of these reads >200MB/s and writes >100MB/s.

 

[SummerDays]

I did some quick checking for you, and that power supply is crossfire approved for a 5870, sor you're fine.

You don't have to worry about the speed of your ram. The motherboard is perfectly capable of handing it.

 

[n-ster]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227468&cm_re=ocz_vertex_turbo-_-20-227-468-_-Product this x 2 in RAID 0 will be incredible speed wise

and usually, all 650W+ PSUs support crossfire/sli, actually all brand name ones do

 

[slyfox2151]

its been stated 3 or 4 times that the psu is absolutly fine to use in the system -.-.....

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

crossfire sli approved is a bunch of crap and dosent mean anything these days if its a decent unit

Antec

Enermax

Seasonic

Corsair

PCP&C

Silverstone if it has the proper AMPS on the 12v rails hes fine

as for that SSD it has better latency and access times but is slower then my 1 terabyte Samsung F1 let alone my new Samsung F3 HDD so get a decent SSD if u want to go that route otherwise stick to HDDs

 

[slyfox2151]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227468&cm_re=ocz_vertex_turbo-_-20-227-468-_-Product this x 2 in RAID 0 will be incredible speed wise

and usually, all 650W+ PSUs support crossfire/sli, actually all brand name ones do

only problem with those SSD's is there only 30 GBx 2 =60.. or Half the space the one he linked has for 2x the price... sure they will perform great but i think he might need more space.



IMO you should grab one of those SSD's http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227468&cm_re=ocz_vertex_turbo-_-20-227-468-_-Product and a Samsung 1TB F3 drive.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

that drive will be enough for an OS install but if he wants to play WOW that SSD wont cut it hed need to use the HDD and lets face it isnt the main attraction of SSDs the improved loading time ?? if your a gamer

 

[SummerDays]

Actually, ATI publishes a list of units that they take the TIME to test with crossfire set ups.

So yah, it does mean SOMETHING.

A PSU that isn't tested may still work, but that's not the point.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

its a corsair there one of the top PSU manufacturers around so your point is moot

if it was a Raidmax PSU or something equally bad there would be red flags going off everywhere

point is i listed above the brands that if u have proper amps on the 12v line will power his system no problem and if he had junk id tell him to get a new PSU fact is the COrsair 750tx is a damn good powersupply end of story

 

[slyfox2151]

after re reading your 1st post those 2 SSD drives in a raid 0 would be your best option if HIGH performance is your goal,

windows 7 will take up around 12-14gb once fully installed + drivers after about a week of use.
last time i checked WoW was around 12-15 GB

witch would leave you with 25 GB to play with (page file, hiber.sys and such taking an extra 5 gb)


also +1 to crazy.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

wow with expansions now takes over 20gigs total when installed also since later this year there will be another expansion pack that will bring graphic updates that would mean before long wow will require 25-30gigs on its own

id suggest the following SSD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148318

200MB read 150MB write 60gigs $234 if u want to go SSD

 

[slyfox2151]

wow with expansions now takes over 20gigs total when installed

are you sure? i currently have WoW WOTLK installed only taking 13gb, however with the next expac coming out its likely to incress to 17gb +



might larger on your system with addons and full patch backups taking up extra space?

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

my buddy has WOW with all updates and expansions his wow folder sets at 19gigs little over right now

so 15-20gigs on windows do to bloat over time and 15-25gigs for wow with expanision means a typical SSD wont have enough room

granted raid will solve that and his current SSD has plenty of space just it sucks speed wise which is why i wonder if hes not better off with just 1 terabyte F3 as its speed enough ( i have an F3 and an F1) now if he wants real speed boost from an SSD he needs a real SSD the one i linked is fast but only 60gigs just barely enough room

also no offense to the OP but i really doubt he will understand how to set up a raid array and install windows on it and get it to work properly with that said i think the OP is better off with just standard HDDS unless you guys want to walk him through resetting everything up if a virus nukes the raid setup or something of that nature because we all know it happens from time to time


also something to think about wow hates newer gpus at least when in multi gpu setups this has been true for years so the OP may be better off with 1 faster card aka the 5870 then 2 5850s if he intends to keep playing wow fairly regularly

 

[slyfox2151]

the 60gb should be just enough imo, if he disables hibernate that will free up 12gb (if he gets 12 gb of ram)

set page file to 1gb and keep the drive clean it should work just fine.

i have no problem helping people setup a raid

yeah i agree, he should just get one 5870... it will be OVERKILL for wow as it is.

 

[SummerDays]

>> TigerDirect offers the same power supply as the newegg one for $5 less, but nowhere on the TD listing does it say that it's crossfire ready. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I don't want my second video card to be useless.

That's a quote from the original poster.

 

[n-ster]

TBH, if I wanted real speed on small sized games, I'd take 12gb of ddr3 and use 8gb as a RAM HD

And Yea a storage drive is almost necessary with SSDs...A simple 640gb caviar black from Western Digital should do just fine

TBH, raid setups dont seem so hard to do... well they aren't since I have done them quite easily

and I'm no pro, everything I have learned about Hardware and such is because of TPU or plainly by trying out stuff like that...

At worst we are there for him

12gb ram is WAYYYY overkill... the cheapest 6gb set will probably do the EXACT SAME PERFORMANCE for you

 

[slyfox2151]

>> TigerDirect offers the same power supply as the newegg one for $5 less, but nowhere on the TD listing does it say that it's crossfire ready. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I don't want my second video card to be useless.

That's a quote from the original poster.

we told him not to worry about that -.- and explained why not to worry about it. crossfire/sli ready its nothing but marketing. as long as its a decent brand psu it will be fine, there is no difference between crossfire ready psu and a standard psu of equal size / build quality

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

point remains this is the OPs first new machine in 6 YEARS things have changed alot since 2003-4

and at Summer days / OP as well

Corsair has been rated the BEST PSU manfuacture a # of times now if they weren't so good u wouldnt see ppl falling all over them same used to be said of PC Power & Cooling they also make great PSUs and still do just Corsair tend to be cheaper with equal quality and well its Corsair

and at slyfox some ppl just dont quite get it they see marketing BS and go OMGWTFBBQ i dont have that plastered on my rig somewhere OH NOES ITS GONNA XPLODED

and i still say the OP is better off with just a standard Samsung F3 1 terabyte after all i get read speeds of 144MB/s with that particular 1 terabyte and at a price (avg) of $73 it tends to be enough SSDs are great in terms of load times but just going from a 2004 rig to a new rig with a new HDD will seem like night and day

also after using a proper ssd setup every machine u will ever use will seem slower and more frustrating to use

 

[slyfox2151]

and at slyfox some ppl just dont quite get it they see marketing BS and go OMGWTFBBQ i dont have that plastered on my rig somewhere OH NOES ITS GONNA XPLODED[/QUOTE]

lol



well to OP, imo you should change the following

swap your GFX cards for 1 5870, you can always get a 2nd one later when nvidia releases there cards.. will save you money and gain more performance. (1 5870 is overkill enough )
Option 2, if you dont get a new monitor (you definetly should imo) then one 5770 will be OVERKILL for 1200x1000 resolution currently supported by your monitor.

Stick with 6 GB of ram, you can run 2 WoW clients and still have plenty left for 30 IE pages / windows explorer folders and encode a movie.





change to this SSD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148318
with the money saved from changing the other specs you could spend a little more and get a larger intel SSD or 2 of the drive listed above.

thats all i can think of atm, will edit it a min

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

couldnt have summed it up any better myself

maybe i should slap together a build on newegg and see what i can come up with what do you think?

 

[slyfox2151]

here is a question that hasnt been asked, what sound system are you buying exacly 600 watt PMPO dosnt mean much, usualy a horible system will quote pmpo as its a larger number yet will perform like crap.

 

[DirectorC]

60GB is pretty much the lowest you can go for a system drive though. If you plan to have more than a couple of large app suites (such as Office, Nero, CS) and a handful of games (WoW is big, sure, but even COD4 takes up >8GB) then you will have to be installing other apps/games and saving large documents to your data drive. 128GB is the safest way to roll. And I can't believe anyone is arguing about being frugal here, this guy's got the $ to make it right. It's like building a race car without a sport-tuned suspension. If you have the money, do it right or don't do it at all.

 

[n-ster]

60GB is pretty much the lowest you can go for a system drive though. If you plan to have more than a couple of large app suites (such as Office, Nero, CS) and a handful of games (WoW is big, sure, but even COD4 takes up >8GB) then you will have to be installing other apps/games and saving large documents to your data drive. 128GB is the safest way to roll. And I can't believe anyone is arguing about being frugal here, this guy's got the $ to make it right. It's like building a race car without a sport-tuned suspension. If you have the money, do it right or don't do it at all.

TBH, SSDs are not a must... and definitively not bang/buck... a pII x3 720 system would already blow the OPs mind away

If I had money, I'd do a BIG RAM drive though xD

and you guys really think RAID 0 will be too complicated for the OP? I think it's worth a try