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I think everyone is missing the fact that it is entirely game dependant. Some game that use the cpu for alot of unit calculations like an rts will benefit more from a faster processor. Where others are much more gpu dependant.
 
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I think everyone is missing the fact that it is entirely game dependant. Some game that use the cpu for alot of unit calculations like an rts will benefit more from a faster processor. Where others are much more gpu dependant.
well im not missing it... with the variety of game i play i have both kind and both run fine, it's a matter of compromise on the settings and try to keep smooth while having a good visual experience. so nope a expensive i5 like the 4670/K is not mandatory, but it make the compromise easier (or no comrpomise)
 
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I think everyone is missing the fact that it is entirely game dependant. Some game that use the cpu for alot of unit calculations like an rts will benefit more from a faster processor. Where others are much more gpu dependant.

exactly
 
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Agreed that you do not need i5/i7 for most games however when you start making videos for those gaming sessions, then the bigger brother CPUs become handy.
Just something extra to think on.
 
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My 2500K has NEVER let me down,I got it @ Microcenter for $170 when they where released. IMHO Why pay 3/4 the $, for 1/2 the performance? I can clock Mine @ 5Ghz and kill all titles. Go for the i5 and spend a little extra.i7 is icing on the cake, with threading, but Certainly NOT required for Gaming. I PERSONALLY wouldn't go less than a i5 simply because of the HP it provides, and the stability, ESPECIALLY if you get a good chip. I'm CERTAIN you could get by on an i3, but why? thats Like buying a 6 cylinder when you can get an 8 for a little more.Not to mention I wouldn't want to play a game like arma 2 with an i3.
 
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I had an i3-2105 before I upgraded to an i5-3570 and my fps more than doubled. That's with the same video card (HD6670).
 
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My 2500K has NEVER let me down,I got it @ Microcenter for $170 when they where released. IMHO Why pay 3/4 the $, for 1/2 the performance? I can clock Mine @ 5Ghz and kill all titles. Go for the i5 and spend a little extra.i7 is icing on the cake, with threading, but Certainly NOT required for Gaming. I PERSONALLY wouldn't go less than a i5 simply because of the HP it provides, and the stability, ESPECIALLY if you get a good chip. I'm CERTAIN you could get by on an i3, but why? thats Like buying a 6 cylinder when you can get an 8 for a little more.Not to mention I wouldn't want to play a game like arma 2 with an i3.
while i totaly approve what you say, in my case its not 3/4 for 1/2 but more 1/4 of the price for 5% less (pondered) discret graphic perf (for the cpu alone ofc... with the mobo as i said im still 50chf less than the intel cpu alone.)

good news i noticed that the 760K is a Richland and not a trinity :D
laugh : im going from a Xeon E3-1275v2 (i7-3770K without oc basically) to a AII X4 760K instead of a 4670/K still i highly doubt that it would affect my gaming so badly, all is a matter of budget and needs ... not a matter of "why pay less to get less and not pay more to get just a little more" ergo i3 to i5 it is valide i5 to i7 it isn't (paying 50% more for 20% more isn't profitable unless ofc you do a lot of work that require HT )

it is highly debatable ofc ... money and need are the rules it's sad in some way ... but every ones choices are good if they fit their needs and budget.

we should say 2cores vs 4cores for gaming more than is a i5 required for gaming
 

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I guess if you have 680s or 780s for video cards, an i5 might do it. I still remind you that games use so many threads, but the os can use the left over threads. BF4 can use 6 threads, and on an i7 2 threads can be left just for the os. It will improve overall performance. We had this argument over 2 core vs 4 core years ago, and even 1 core vs 2 before that. You know eventually all games will be able to take advantage of multiple threads, so why not just future proof yourself now?
 
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i never seen more than 4 core used and none of the 4 thread from hyperthreading used while playing BF4 on my E3

ofc ... future proofing would be 8 real core and not 4 and 4 virtual or 2x4cmt or 4x2cmt hum intel hexacore are the only future proof piece of hardware accessible to non profesionnal ... but at which cost ... ;)

atm im playing crysis 3 on med/high (oh wait custom i mean) and i have Chrome opened with 7 tab + a movie on the 2nd screen, no sound ... since i have VLC with my favorit playlist running im a bit tight with only 4gb DDR2 and a Phenom X4 9600B i reckon but i still get between 54 and 60fps (Vsync on obviously) as i write that i am realizing that on this 280chf rigs the most expensive part is the 170chf MSI R9 270 arf :roll:
 

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Wow... I really wish there was a demo of bf4... I could take a screenshot showing all 8 threads going.... arg....
 
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personal experience,former owner of a core i3 2100 3.1Ghz and current core i5 3570K @4ghz.
GPU is GTX 660 OC

Like others say, it depends on the game. Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3 fpr example loves both CPU and GPU power, when im still on my i3, gpu usage is barely going in the 90;s and framerate will dip on heavy firefights, it was not an issue with the 3570K. More GPU sensitive games hardly gave any performance benefit as the GPU is already working at max.

Regarding HT, i tested some games with and without it and HT really does help, even in console emulators (Dolphin and PCSX2). GTA4 loves lot of threads and disabling HT only caused hiccups and slowdowns specially on more populated areas.
 
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i7 are requirements. That's why I have an i7 paired with my GT 630!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lolololololol
 

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4.0ghz Phenom II to an i5 at 4.0ghz made a big difference for me, about 15fps on cpu bound games. Other games didn't really improve much. Browsing feels a lot snappier but the phenom was no slouch.

My current i7 (4.5 daily speed) is purely vanity, I love the processing power at my finger tips LOL.
 
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i played BF4 on my 920 and the Xeon with the widget for core usage i noticed 8 thread working but it was because i was running Boinc with a 4thread limitation, with boinc off never seen more than 4 (fully used i mean ... not 8time 15-35%) well technically it use 8 thread on that pics ... ok.

My current i7 (4.5 daily speed) is purely vanity, I love the processing power at my finger tips LOL.
well ... it does feel good ... but not on a empty wallet :D and selling the Xeon + DQ77MK to take the A88X+760K made me a good marging ... over the price i paid for it initialy i mean ... thanks god intel setup can be brought at a right price in 2nd hand and sold as if new, aka : overpriced ... no worries i did sell it but with a start price of 1chf ... it was the bidders who did all the job by going ballistics over the brand.

i was happy with my 770, the Z77 and Q77 mobo i had, my Xeon E3 and my Desert Fox (the PSU not the animal ;) ) but i will not be less happy with a R9 270 a A88X mobo. X4 760K and a Smart ES (the psu not the inteligent Engineering Sample... wait ... what? ) buying pricier doesn't make you look like you have big balls (wait where did i read that nonsense?) if you can have a rig that perform well and paying less why not ... but it does feel good to have something who is totally over the top (even if it's not really usefull ... ) i mean 9-18fps drop or gain ... for me it doesn't count in the equation, it is my personal opinion but what i hate the most is when people try to convince other that going for a budget rig (and specialy AMD) is for retarded people .... (im not targeting anyone ... forgot to specify ;) )

so final answer from me : no a i5 isn't required for a gaming pc. (but it help, if you can afford it.)

let say im fed of the "buying Nvidia and intel is l33t buying AMD and AMD is l4m3"
 
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I find all graphic settings over lowest(Perhaps except resolution) to be optional extras, and can play perfectly well at 20 FPS.

So whatever you feel you need.
 
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They are starting to come down. I have seen just the 6 core cpu's going for $450 lately.
 
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Is an i3 acceptable; yes and no. The question is at best nebulous, but more accurately poorly framed.

Do you want to run a 1920x1080, 1280x720, or a 3840x2160 monitor? The Raspberry PI can technically produce consistent frame rates at 1080p, albeit for movies. As 1080p monitors become almost ubiquitous, at what point does that become the default assumed resolution?

Additionally, who would spend 4 times as much on the GPU as the CPU? It's like taking a human, scooping out half their brain, and replacing the extra space with a set of gills. Assuming you live near the water, you'd be good at surviving there. Once you leave that specific area a bigger brain would benefit you greatly. Gaming is one specific use, in its current form. As that form changes (increased use of more cores, changes in system usage, etc...) the very specific evolution of a GPU centric system may not be viable for long.

So, why is an i3 viable? Crappy software. I've seen more modern games use less than two threads, than I've seen CPU utilizing beasts. As a thought experiment, lets play Fallout 3 with a stock i5 2500k versus an i3 2120. Both share the same frequencies, but the i3 is only a dual core. There is zero difference in the game (in my experience at least), as trying to run Fallout 3 on more than one thread results in concentrated failure. Yes, Fallout 3 is old. My point still stands because Gamebryo still stands. Companies are working with tech that has only recently began to recognize multiple cores. Almost none of it is truly well threaded, and that which is can still generally run on hyper threaded cores. There is no reason that 90% of games shouldn't run as well on an i3 as an i5, assuming all other factors are equal.


The real answer I'd like to give here is that Intel is not targeting the i3 to gamers. They've locked the multiplier, so the more expensive i5 is the choice for gaming. This is a reason to choose AMD over Intel for budget rigs. An i3-3225 and A10-6800k have the same price right now. The A10 is a bit of a pig, but it will overclock and it provides more physical cores. As AMD travels toward the same production tech as Intel, I see no reason why the i3 should be chosen over what AMD has to offer. If you want a gaming rig, a little bit of power waste is an acceptable premium for significantly more cores at a much higher clock speed. If you just can't purchase an AMD product, then the i3 can function in a gaming rig with some huge caveats attached.


They are starting to come down. I have seen just the 6 core cpu's going for $450 lately.

Where? Please enlighten us!
 
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I'd say that any modern CPU capable of running 4 threads is a good foundation for a gaming rig @ 1080p. Will it run every game on high? probably not but I'd say there's only a handful of games that actually require more than 4 threads to get a playable experience.
 
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I saw the difference with my i3 and my i5. With my i3 playing games it freezes because my system is doing some housekeeping and I had to wait for it to finish so I can play on. This is the reason I got an i5, no more interruptions.
 
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Where? Please enlighten us!
I saw two here for this price a few weeks ago. Checked ebay and some of the ending bids are that low. I am watching waiting and bidding my time to get one myself.
 
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The real answer I'd like to give here is that Intel is not targeting the i3 to gamers. They've locked the multiplier, so the more expensive i5 is the choice for gaming. This is a reason to choose AMD over Intel for budget rigs. An i3-3225 and A10-6800k have the same price right now. The A10 is a bit of a pig, but it will overclock and it provides more physical cores. As AMD travels toward the same production tech as Intel, I see no reason why the i3 should be chosen over what AMD has to offer. If you want a gaming rig, a little bit of power waste is an acceptable premium for significantly more cores at a much higher clock speed. If you just can't purchase an AMD product, then the i3 can function in a gaming rig with some huge caveats attached.

People use the i3 over that A10 because if you're building a gaming rig the i3 is better--assuming a dedicated GPU at all. The i3 in low thread counts rolls with the best of them, and even with ~4 threads it generally outperforms AMD parts with 4 physical cores because the per core performance is so much higher. Let's look at the Bit-Tech review for the i3-4340. Compared to the A10-6800K we're seeing the i3 gaining anywhere from 1-2 fps at 1920x1080 to as much as 28 fps--which matching GPU's. That a sizeable difference. Yes, the i3 is not ideal, but it's hardly the worst solution...

Also, I don't think AMD--or rather Global Foundries--will ever catch up to Intel when it comes to production tech.
 
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It depends on the game really
http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page6.html

LOL, so much for BF4 being optimized for AMD 8-cores. A 3.3GHz dual core I3 offers virtually the same performance as a 4GHz 8-core 8350!!
 
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LOL, so much for BF4 being optimized for AMD 8-cores. A 3.3GHz dual core I3 offers virtually the same performance as a 4GHz 8-core 8350!!

Battlefield 4 is limited to 100fps. You could put an 8 core 5Ghz Hasswell-E in that graph and it would get the same fps. The benchmark used a 290X @ 1080p, setting a higher resolution (2440p for example) or using a 7870/270X would have shown more difference between each processor.

As you can see, with enough graphic power, even a lowly Athlon II X4 640 manages to get >60fps @ 1080p. 4 threads are enough for gaming at the moment, that will surely change but not for a few years.
 
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