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Ordered a Gtx 260 core 216

Now i am wondering how bad will a amd athlon 64 x2 4200+ 2.2ghz bottleneck the 260?

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it most likeley will just oc it
 

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get a 7750 and 9800GTX instead...
 

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I don't think it will bottleneck all that much at all .
 

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I'm sure there will be some, opening up the bandwidth of the system via overclocking would definately be a help. But knowing what the rest of your system comprises of along with what resolution you plan to game at would be a great help. My 260 Core216 runs games great at 1920x1080, I'm usually folding and crunching (depending on game, always crunching tho) to top that off...something your rig probably wouldn't do without some issues. But that card is very powerful and quite a performer along with a very decent overclocker (I've yet to see a crap clocking gtx260 :D ). Make sure you have a decent PSU, good case airflow and enjoy man I think you'll be happy game-performance-wise, now with benchmarks...you might be a tad unimpressed due to cpu/system bandwidth limitations.
 

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My resolution is 1440x900.

I'm upgrading from my old 8600gt. Just got a new mobo,case and psu. Just got to get a processor now.

So hopefully it will run ok with slow processor untill i can up grade it.

"If you're at 1680x1050 or higher, I would say just a little bit, lower resolutions need more CPU power."

But the 1440x900 will slow it down more?

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isn't that cpu a really good overclocker anyways?
 

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Ah I used to game at 1440x900 with a 4200+ and a 3850, you'll be fine :D So what games are you gonna be playing?
 

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When I first got my GTX260 I had a 19" 1440x900 LCD, it blasted through everything at that res, you aren't really working the card at that resolution (similar to 1280x1024 on 4:3). You should be fine and have a very good reason to upgrade to a higher res monitor down the road.
 

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Ordered a Gtx 260 core 216

Now i am wondering how bad will a amd athlon 64 x2 4200+ 2.2ghz bottleneck the 260?

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isn't that cpu a really good overclocker anyways?

They should overclock moderately with a half-decent motherboard. They can typically go from anywhere between 2.6 GHz-3.4 GHz on air. I managed to get my Winsor 3800+ X2 from 2 GHz to 2.8 GHz with ease.

To the threadstarter, yes your CPU is holding the GPU back somewhat because you're mixing a 260GTX which was considered a high-end GPU last year with a low-end Athlon X2. I would say your best option is to overclock the CPU slightly which the guys here at TPU wouldn't mind helping you with if that is an option you want to explore.

There is no point getting a faster Athlon X2 because the 4200+ is more than capable of overclocking to the same spec as a higher model such as the 5600+ X2 @ 2.9 GHz and your bottlenecking should be reduced massively. Alternatively if overclocking does not appeal to you I would advise replacing the CPU with a AMD 7750+ for $50-60 for a quick fix or a X3 720 BE if you're serious about gaming.

PS. Although you wouldn't see the full potential of the GPU games should still play fine with your current rig at 1440x900 you'd definitely be able to run most games a medium to high with respectable frame rates without the OC and without the new CPU.
 
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Well if it is a matter of just the CPU holding him back a simple upgrade to this AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz would solve that . I am not sure a kuma would work on the mobo he has but if so then go for one of them they are cheaper .
 
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They should overclock moderately with a half-decent motherboard. They can typically go from anywhere between 2.6 GHz-3.4 GHz on air. I managed to get my Winsor 3800+ X2 from 2 GHz to 2.8 GHz with ease.

To the threadstarter, yes your CPU is holding the GPU back somewhat because you're mixing a 260GTX which was considered a high-end GPU last year with a low-end Athlon X2. I would say your best option is to overclock the CPU slightly which the guys here at TPU wouldn't mind helping you with if that is an option you want to explore.

There is no point getting a faster Athlon X2 because the 4200+ is more than capable of overclocking to the same spec as a higher model such as the 5600+ X2 @ 2.9 GHz and your bottlenecking should be reduced massively. Alternatively if overclocking does not appeal to you I would advise replacing the CPU with a AMD 7750+ for $50-60 for a quick fix or a X3 720 BE if you're serious about gaming.

PS. Although you wouldn't see the full potential of the GPU games should still play fine with your current rig at 1440x900 you'd definitely be able to run most games a medium to high with respectable frame rates without the OC and without the new CPU.

I'd agree with you that the X2 3800+ (Manchester; 939 socket) was good at overclocking. I took the one I had from stock speeds (2.0 up to almost 2.7 on air cooling).

As for the X2 5600+ (Windsor) I had I couldn't really OC it very well. No matter what I tried to do, I couldn't get it stable past 3.15 (from stock 2.8). With that 5600+ I was running my 2x 8800GTS 512MB in SLI - I was bottlenecking the SLI setup pretty bad.

You will bottleneck a GTX 260 (my 8800GTS 512MB in SLI run about 20-30% less in performance over the GTX 260 216 in high resolutions). Working on overclocking your CPU will help eliminate some of the bottlenecking, but not all of it.

You will see a good jump in performance over any 8xxx series card by stepping up to the GTX 260. You would just see better performance if you had a better CPU. There's nothing really wrong with what you have, but it's not that great either. Your CPU will get you by for another couple of years if you truly do not want to upgrade anytime soon.

Just to give you an idea of how much I was bottlenecking my GPUs with my 5600+; In 3DMark06 on the first GPU test, I would get around 70-75fps at the start of it and during many parts I would dip down to the teens. With my Phenom II x4 940 I have now, the first GPU test in 3DMark06 I run at the start in the mid 100s and I only dip down into the low 30s/high 20s in one or two spots.
 

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You should be ok with that CPU. Just overclock if you get bad performance, and if that isn't enough replace the processor.
 
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Its going to hold it back a lot, but if you got a good deal on it I wouldn't worry. For comparison's sake I ordered a GTX 216 (192) last fall ("FTW" Edition - factory OC'd to 666 Mhz) to pair with my Athlon64 X2 6400+ and a 22 inch monitor @ 1680x1050. It replaced my trusty 8800 GTX. I saw almost no improvement over the 8800 GTX. The X2 6400+ was holding it back too much. I ended up going back to the 8800 GTX.

Basically, you probably won't see much difference with your CPU and resolution between a GTS 250 (or even a 9800 GT) and a GTX 260 (216). Again, if you got a good deal I wouldn't worry. At least you have some headroom for upgrading the CPU or monitor.
 
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whats your motherboard northbridge again

if its 750a why not get a X3
 

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Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have tryed to overclock the processor and got it around 2.65ghz(above 2.7 was getting failures at stock voltages). Anyways, it didn't boost my fps much in Fallout 3.

So i am planning ordering a Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz quad core and some new ram
2x2gb. Would this proccesor do well and if so would 800 or 1066 ram be better?

Thanks in advance.

edit:my current ram is only 533.
 

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So i am planning ordering a Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz quad core and some new ram
2x2gb. Would this proccesor do well and if so would 800 or 1066 ram be better?

Thanks in advance.

edit:my current ram is only 533.

I'd avoid the Phenom 9600, firstly that particular model has a TLB bug which sometimes caused instability problems, secondly they are dog slow.

If you are looking for a quadcore you should be looking at the Phenom II X4 810, 920, 940, 945, 955. The Phenom II X3 720 is good too.

As for the memory I'd buy PC8500 (1066 MHz), 2 GBx4. With 8 GBs of ram you'll be set for a while, but you need a 64-bit operating system to detect the full amount otherwise get 2 GBx2 if you've got a 32 bit operating system that way two dimm slots are free for future ram expansions for when you do decide to invest in a 64-bit OS.
 

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I'd avoid the Phenom 9600, firstly that particular model has a TLB bug which sometimes caused instability problems, secondly they are dog slow.

If you are looking for a quadcore you should be looking at the Phenom II X4 810, 920, 940, 945, 955. The Phenom II X3 720 is good too.

As for the memory I'd buy PC8500 (1066 MHz), 2 GBx4. With 8 GBs of ram you'll be set for a while, but you need a 64-bit operating system to detect the full amount otherwise get 2 GBx2 if you've got a 32 bit operating system that way two dimm slots are free for future ram expansions for when you do decide to invest in a 64-bit OS.

I was actually trying to find a processor under 100$, should have said that before so those quads are a little out of my range. My other choices i was looking at are the Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Brisbane 3.1GHz and the AMD Phenom 8650 Toliman 2.3GHz Socket AM2. Around that range.

Thanks for the ram info also.
 

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I was actually trying to find a processor under 100$, should have said that before so those quads are a little out of my range. My other choices i was looking at are the Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Brisbane 3.1GHz and the AMD Phenom 8650 Toliman 2.3GHz Socket AM2. Around that range.

Thanks for the ram info also.

The 6000+ X2 is a good choice but its getting pretty old now. and I'd avoid all Agena Phenoms completely!

The Phenom II X3 710 is only $119, only slightly over budget. Alternatively there is the new Phenom II X2 550 for $109.99, it was only released a few days ago but prices will drop dramatically in a few weeks.

Personally dualcore wise I wouldn't get anything slower than the Phenom II X2 550 as its a fresh architecture and a lot more powerful than the Athlon X2 6400+. Tri-core wise I wouldn't get anything less than a Phenom II 710. Basically Phenom II is your only real upgrade path, if you cant afford it hold off a few more weeks and get saving.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680&Tpk=Phenom 550

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103648&Tpk=phenom 710


Edit:

Here is a good review of the Phenom II X2 550, it has a few other AMD quadcore and Intel CPUs to compare it to.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/981/1/


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My motherboard is only am2/am2+, and those say am3 so i don't thank those will work. Unless im wrong.

Don't really know a great deal about processors sorry.

lol its ok, TPU will get you on track.

The new Phenom II processors are backward compatible with most AM2/AM2+/AM3 motherboards with a bios update.
 
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My motherboard is only am2/am2+, and those say am3 so i don't thank those will work. Unless im wrong.

Don't really know a great deal about processors sorry.

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lol its ok, TPU will get you on track.

The new Phenom II processors are backward compatible with most AM2/AM2+/AM3 motherboards with a bios update.

So as long as my bios is up to date it should work fine? In other words the latest bios version on xfx site?
 
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According to XFXs website your motherboard with any AMD CPU below 95 watts. I read a few newegg.com reviews from customer that own the XFX AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA nForce 750a SLI motherboard which further proves compatibility. Here it goes:


  1. Very poor placement of the IDE... I have a 10.5 inch card that covers the plug which was a pain when I was working on the other computer. But I use sata drives to that is nice. Only 95 watt support... But I can run a PII 720.
  2. Worked right out of the box, have had no problems with it, 4 gigs of ram, 1 TB raid 0+1 sata II config, Phenom II cpu, Sli working fine, OC is rock solid at 3.5 ghz on air Well worth the money.
  3. Very easy to use BIOS, all OC settings located under "justWOOT!" label in BIOS. Currently running with a 5000+ X2 Black Edition at 3.0GHz, will upgrade to Phenom II once the 95W models arrive.

So just double check that the particular Phenom II is under 95 watts and that you've flashed it to the latest bios and you're set.

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I'd recommend that you read all the available reviews before making a decision

Phenom II X2 550 reviews:
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii550/
http://www.techspot.com/review/171-amd-phenomx2-athlonx2/
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenom2x2_athlon2x2/
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1596
http://www.guru3d.com/news/athlon-ii-x2-250-and-phenom-ii-x2-550-be-review/
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-athlon-ii-x2.html

Phenom II X3 710, 720 and X4 810 reviews:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/898/1/
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenomii_720_810_am3/
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=296&Itemid=63
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3512
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/02/11/amd-phenom-820-810-720-710-am3-cpus/1
 
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Thanks alot for your help, i will probably be going with the 710.
 

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Just got my phenom II x3 710 in today and it works perfectly.:rockout:

Doubled my fps in medium on far cry 2, and plays at 45 avg on ultra high now.

So just wanted to say thanks again , you saved me from buying a slow am2 :toast:
 

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Just got my phenom II x3 710 in today and it works perfectly.:rockout:

Doubled my fps in medium on far cry 2, and plays at 45 avg on ultra high now.

So just wanted to say thanks again , you saved me from buying a slow am2 :toast:

I'm glad that it worked out for you :toast:

Did you require the bios update or did it work straight away?
 
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