I really hate the word "overkill"

Ja.KooLit · Dec 11, 2014

@We'llBangOK? I think your problem is because you OC too much your CPU. you OC'ed your CPU using BCLK right? mind you that memory speed and I think memory on your GPU is also affected. I have tried as well although it was haswell 4570. and if I OC'ed using BCLK, seems that my 750ti doesnt like it. It perform worst actually. try putting back all to stock. everything including ram. It maybe stable but your GPU might dont like it.

Worth a shot though..

MT Alex · Dec 11, 2014

For the love of God. 1440x900? I don't really know what to say, but I guess that dumbfoundedness will speak for itself.

MxPhenom 216 · Dec 11, 2014

Upgrade monitors instead. Anyone who doesn't game at 1080p+ on a PC these days should just get a console.............

Or get a 970 + 1080p monitor. There is not a single game my 780 cant run at 1920 x 1200 at 60fps+ and I have like 120 games on my computer. And a 970 is faster then a 780 by 20-25%.

We'llBangOK? · Dec 11, 2014

MxPhenom 216 said:
Upgrade monitors instead. Anyone who doesn't game at 1080p+ on a PC these days should just get a console.............

Or get a 970 + 1080p monitor. There is not a single game my 780 cant run at 1920 x 1200 at 60fps+ and I have like 120 games on my computer. And a 970 is faster then a 780 by 20-25%.

Greatest advice so far. Never thought of it, thanks!

Blue-Knight · Dec 11, 2014

MxPhenom 216 said:
Anyone who doesn't game at 1080p+ on a PC these days should just get a console.

It is just personal preference. I like to play at "low" resolutions (<=1280x720). Usually at 1024x576.

And I do not agree one should get a console instead of gaming on computer at "low" resolution. The guy has the right to play at any resolution he's happy with, nothing wrong with that.

And gaming on a console is a completely different experience... I prefer playing on computer, it has advantages the consoles can't offer.

Rowsol · Dec 11, 2014

Well here's my 2 cents.

900p is a fine resolution, I personally wouldn't want to game on anything over 1080.

7850 is what you have? If so, looking at the gtx 970 charts for overall performance @ 900p shows it to be about 2x the speed.

I feel a part that can be doubled in speed is a worthy upgrade.

Your CPU is killer, keep it.

MxPhenom 216 · Dec 11, 2014

Blue-Knight said:
It is just personal preference. I like to play at "low" resolutions (<=1280x720). Usually at 1024x576.

And I do not agree one should get a console instead of gaming on computer at "low" resolution. The guy has the right to play at any resolution he's happy with, nothing wrong with that.

And gaming on a console is a completely different experience... I prefer playing on computer, it has advantages the consoles can't offer.

I don't know why, unless you have a 6800gt video card, sounds like suicide.

Random Murderer · Dec 11, 2014

MxPhenom 216 said:
Upgrade monitors instead. Anyone who doesn't game at 1080p+ on a PC these days should just get a console.............

Or get a 970 + 1080p monitor. There is not a single game my 780 cant run at 1920 x 1200 at 60fps+ and I have like 120 games on my computer. And a 970 is faster then a 780 by 20-25%.

Wow. How did none of us think of that?

Rowsol said:
900p is a fine resolution, I personally wouldn't want to game on anything over 1080.

I used to think the same way, went from 1280x1024 to 1680x1050 and was happy for ages with no interest in upgrading. Then I got into rendering and built this workhorse PC and grabbed my 1440 monitor... There's just no going back. Instead of having to max AA at 1680x1050 to get rid of jaggies and with high-res textures, fog/particles, etc. looking the same between medium and high, I now run 2x AA at most and can actually see the different thicknesses of fog/particles, textures pop more and are more detailed, it's just better all around. Then again, it takes one heck of a PC to be able to game at this res and still crank up the eye-candy.
1080p is a fine resolution for gaming, but saying you wouldn't go higher? Have you actually experienced higher resolutions? Depending on how close you sit to your monitor, anything above ~24" at 1080p starts getting pixelated, not to mention the movie and game industries are moving towards higher resolutions anyway. If you have to move the monitor further from you to alleviate the pixelation, it's time for a higher resolution.

Rowsol said:
7850 is what you have? If so, looking at the gtx 970 charts for overall performance @ 900p shows it to be about 2x the speed.

I feel a part that can be doubled in speed is a worthy upgrade.

Agreed that a part with twice the speed is a worthy upgrade, but that's not the question. The question was does he need to upgrade to get the performance he wants. While the 7850 isn't exactly a powerhouse card, it should run at 900p handily. According to W1zz's own reviews, the 7850 2GB kicks out playable framerates in most games at damn near max settings at higher resolutions than @We'llBangOK? is using, some games up to 2560x1600. Metro 2033 is another story, but that's a very intensive game and even modern cards are having a hard time maxing out Last Light/2033 Redux, so it's to be expected.

I'm with @MxPhenom 216 on this one, grab a 1080p monitor with a low response time and a GTX 970, and you'll be set for a while.

xvi · Dec 11, 2014

Random Murderer said:
While the 7850 isn't exactly a powerhouse card, it should run at 900p handily.

+1. I have a 7870 on a Pentium G3258 and it's done very well at most games I throw at it, even at 1080p. I don't think I'd blame either the card or CPU. Both should be fine. For the demanding games, you'll probably not be able to crank up the eye candy on it, but that's not much to scoff about. If eyecandy is critical, a beefier GPU is likely in order.
To adopt the common proverb, "research twice, buy once".

Blue-Knight · Dec 11, 2014

MxPhenom 216 said:
Blue-Knight said:

I like to play at "low" resolutions (<=1280x720). Usually at 1024x576.

Click to expand...

I don't know why, unless you have a 6800gt video card, sounds like suicide.

Because it is enough for me. And another reasons I am not comfortable to tell.

But for other purposes the more resolution the better, no limit there... Game is just not one of them, I am perfectly fine with those resolutions.

But I appreciate their effort on making 4K, 8K GPUs... This will make processing of typical resolutions much faster! And the faster, the better!

Just my opinion!

FireFox · Dec 11, 2014

FreedomEclipse said:
grab a GTX 770.

i can sell him my 770 :roll:

qubit · Dec 11, 2014

When it comes to a gaming rig, I don't really think you can "overkill" it in most instances.

Yes, having a very high spec might mean that your current favourite game might render at 200+ fps (turn vsync on for a sensible framerate and no screen tearing) but it does help to ensure no dropped frames that cause stutter, which are the only ones that matter. Eliminating these is the whole point of spending all that money on a powerful gaming PC.

It also helps to increase the longevity of your PC somewhat as newer games come out which are more demanding and the framerate inevitably drops. Even if you have to replace the graphics card, the rest of the PC will still be powerful enough to not require upgrading for some time. My 2700K is a good example of this. I must have had 3-4 graphics card upgrades in the three years I've had it and the CPU still rips through all my games, saving me money on expensive CPU and mobo upgrades in the long run.

Of course, a high spec PC will cost a lot of money, so you get the best that you can reasonably afford.

FreedomEclipse · Dec 11, 2014

qubit said:
Of course, a high spec PC will cost a lot of money, so you get the best that you can reasonably afford.

Or find someone whose willing to part exchange a X79 or X99 platform with you

vega22 · Dec 11, 2014

"overkill" the go to buzz word for short sighted haters.

as said you're cpu limited.

FireFox · Dec 11, 2014

qubit said:
turn vsync on

in case you have an Asus PG278Q ROG vsync is not necessary.

You know that better than me

MxPhenom 216 · Dec 11, 2014

marsey99 said:
"overkill" the go to buzz word for short sighted haters.

as said you're cpu limited.

or people that a logical.....

qubit · Dec 11, 2014

Knoxx29 said:
in case you have an Asus PG278Q ROG vsync is not necessary.

You know that better than me

Not sure what you mean by that? :confused:

Especially the second sentence.

It's better to have vsync on for a smooth, stable animation unless you need the absolute lowest latency in FPS games, where one has to compromise with screen tearing and microstutters.

FireFox · Dec 11, 2014

qubit said:
Not sure what you mean by that?

With the G-sync technology that the monitor Asus Rog has is not necessary to turn on vsync .

qubit · Dec 11, 2014

Knoxx29 said:
With the G-sync technology that the monitor Asus Rog has is not necessary to turn on vsync .

Sorry, I hadn't realized you were talking about a monitor, lol. I'll bet it's nice.

I haven't seen G-Sync or FreeSync in action yet, but I'd love to.

Toothless · Dec 11, 2014

Back on topic.. So a 770 or 970+1080p monitor are the votes?

vega22 · Dec 12, 2014

MxPhenom 216 said:
or people that a logical.....

but failed english?

sorry i aint a grammar nazi but that is funneh!!!!

where is the logic is penny pinching today when you will need to spend it again tomorrow?

had the op used his funds back then to get a more powerful card like he wanted he would not be in such need for a new one today. that money he spent then would not be wasted and today he could of splashed out an on even higher res screen which would of then required a new gpu xD

as it is he now needs both. short sighted.

JunkBear · Dec 12, 2014

MT Alex said:
For the love of God. 1440x900? I don't really know what to say, but I guess that dumbfoundedness will speak for itself.

Unless like me you play older games like COD1 and BF2.

Mindweaver · Dec 12, 2014

I wouldn't touch the processor.. I'd get the GTX970 hands down the most performance boost you'll see over a new processor. I wouldn't touch that 1155 socket until I was ready to upgrade the CPU, RAM, and Motherboard. Unless someone gives you a new 1155 k i5 or i7..

Never turn down free stuff. You don't want to find out next year when you want a 1080p or higher monitor that you need a new graphics card to go with it. Now, I do agree with trying it without the overclock, and then with it to see which one is better.

I bit the bullet and bought a GTX970 today as well. :toast:

EDIT: Also, check your pc for malware.. a GTX980 won't fix that.. hehe

Ralfies · Dec 12, 2014

I don't get why people are saying you're cpu limited. Cpu load doesn't increase at lower resolutions, the bottleneck is simply more apparent because you're less gpu bound. Not to mention your cpu is very capable at 4GHz(3.8GHz when all cores are loaded.) If you're not achieving playable frame rates it's your gpu. A 970 really IS overkill at your res, but it will last you for years and years and years. I say pull the trigger. I'm all for "overkill" rigs. I get a certain amount of satisfaction knowing I can max out any game and my 780ti's won't break a sweat.

Shou Miko · Dec 12, 2014

i use my MSI GTX970 Gaming 4GB with my Yamakasi Catleap Q270 at 2560x1440@120hz and it just rocks the games i play no problem there at all :rockout:

the GTX 970 is the card to get, but at 1440x900pixel, it's a laugh sry to say it :laugh:

at 1440x900 it will be doing "underwork" of what it's made for

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I really hate the word "overkill"

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