nVidia Fanboy Here - Moving on from GTX 760 2GB - Should I go AMD?

[arbiter]

Well $400 won’t buy you a 1070, that thing is certain. Also expect it to be pretty much sold out and overpriced into oblivion for (at least) the first two months.

That is why you don't buy from 3rd party price gougers. Same thing likely happen to amd's card. You won't get one for 200$ to start with.

If you're just into GTA V and the likes (AAA games), it's no problem to go with a Crossfire RX 480 system, also general support of it will be better in the future, DX12 multi adapter will make things easier.

If the game dev's do it right which probably won't see that for at least a year or more since CF/SLI is such a small part of the market.

 

[RealNeil]

AMD's PR has very little to believe anymore when they speak

That's true, and it's their own fault.
With that mainboard, a single card solution is the best option.

 

[OneMoar]

wait for the benchmarks I would't trust amd as far as I could throw them

 

[R-T-B]

Depends on what you want to spend.

AMD may actually be competitive on the new process in the $200ish space. I doubt it has much to say for itself beyond that for a few months yet.

 

[thesmokingman]

That is correct, I'm not saying that isn't the issue on both side. However, the problem is worse with AMD now that the cards do all communication through the PCI-e slots.

Proof?

Where is this negativity to AMD's use of crossfire thru the pcie bus coming from? Can you show where it is worse?

 

[cdawall]

Proof?

Where is this negativity to AMD's use of crossfire thru the pcie bus coming from? Can you show where it is worse?

When you have a PCI-e 2.0 4X slot it will be worse.

 

[thesmokingman]

When you have a PCI-e 2.0 4X slot it will be worse.

Worse than what? I find it hard to believe that one could tell the difference with it all running like ass. This belabored point is just to try to make something look worse than it already is imo.

 

[cdawall]

Worse than what? I find it hard to believe that one could tell the difference with it all running like ass. This belabored point is just to try to make something look worse than it already is imo.

Then cards with bridges? It looks worse than it already is because it is worse. That's how this works now all data is transferred over pcie there is nothing but pcie.

 

[cdawall]

Crossfire had bridges not that long ago. I don't think they removed them lightly. They probably weighed it and judged the PCIe bandwidth to be adequate in nearly all cases.

In cases with at least an 8x pci-e 3.0 bus it's a non-issue. The assumption was likely made that people running 2 at least 290's would be using a board with specs that matched that price point.

 

[thesmokingman]

Then cards with bridges? It looks worse than it already is because it is worse. That's how this works now all data is transferred over pcie there is nothing but pcie.

One would never run with mismatched slots at those extremes so the point is moot.

 

[R-T-B]

One would never run with mismatched slots at those extremes so the point is moot.

Uh, OP has a mobo with one I think? That's where this all spawned from?

 

[thesmokingman]

Uh, OP has a mobo with one I think? That's where this all spawned from?

Yea, he has a whacky board alright. It's terribad to run that mismatched let alone that mismatched across different chipsets which is what I'm assuming his board is setup as (x4 off the SB).

 

[OneMoar]

actually it doesn't matter so yea.....
pci-e link speeds have very little impact on performance
this has bee tested numerous times infact the pci-e scaling test gets re-run with every generations of card
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GTX_980_PCI-Express_Scaling/

 

[Vayra86]

Just get a 1070 anything else wont be green enough for a fanboy would it ,plus 1070 should be a nice jump in performance.

/thread.

Though from 760 to 1070 is kind of a break from the norm. That's a full, and expensive tier up. Albeit a worthwhile tier to be in.

I would definitely take the 1070 over 2x RX 480 - whoeever cooked that up in their AMD head needs to be shot immediately. Only idiots will buy into 2x mid tier crossfire right away.

 

[arbiter]

actually it doesn't matter so yea.....
pci-e link speeds have very little impact on performance
this has bee tested numerous times infact the pci-e scaling test gets re-run with every generations of card
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GTX_980_PCI-Express_Scaling/

There was very little to almost no impact on a gtx980, how ever when they tested the Fury X in the same test there was impact. Some games more then others. AMD test is more relevant for AMD cards since it uses PCI-e bus to talk to other card.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X_PCI-Express_Scaling/1.html

 

[R-T-B]

actually it doesn't matter so yea.....
pci-e link speeds have very little impact on performance
this has bee tested numerous times infact the pci-e scaling test gets re-run with every generations of card
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GTX_980_PCI-Express_Scaling/

That very article does show that PCIe 2.0 x4 has a performance impact. It's even worse likely if it's chipset bound.

EDIT: And it's far worse in the Fury X article, yeah...

 

[medi01]

Between crossfire 480 and single 1070, provided, price is similar, you should go for the latter. (this coming from a user perceived as pro-AMD).
DX12 might or might NOT improve things in multi-GPU cards regard, it's too early to know for sure.

You could also go for 480, which should keep you decent 1080p and most 1440p for at least a year or so, then, later on, switch to the next gen chip.

Or if you want to go for nVidia, wait for 1060. It is unlikely to be better than 480 (as 960 is inferior to 380) but it will be close to it anyhow.

Bought 980Ti month ago, if I would be buying at this moment I'd buy 1070 gtx for sure. Less heat, newer tech, better OC, less power consumption, 980Ti performance, cheaper....

Marked red is hands down false.

I wonder, how much you paid for 980Ti month ago.

If you OC it to 1450+, you are already on 1080 levels, going for 1070 from 980Ti looks weirdo.

AMD may actually be competitive on the new process in the $200ish space.

Even this gen AMD is competitive in most areas (380 > 960, 390 > 970, 390x/Fury Nano > 980), except OC-ed 980Ti levels, where it has nothing to show.

whoeever cooked that up in their AMD head needs to be shot immediately.

They just needed a placeholder compare to competitor part of the show, imo, they are unlikely to seriously push for it.
Agree with the rest of your post.

 

[R-T-B]

Even this gen AMD is competitive in most areas (380 > 960, 390 > 970, 390x/Fury Nano > 980), except OC-ed 980Ti levels, where it has nothing to show.

I know. I'm speaking specifically of the new process node.

 

[newconroer]

I would say don't be in a hurry. Let's see the benches from from both camps and then decide. If you want to stick with Nvidia no matter what then the 1070 would be a good sub-$400 choice and will no doubt smoke that 760 at 1080p that you have right now. The VRAM upgrade will be necessary soon as well.

Eit: Never look at going Crossfire right off the bat. It's better to get the single most powerful card you can within your present budget and look at Crossfire if you have to later on down the road.

Yes, wait.

1080/1070 are bit over hyped for what you pay; and the new Red camp products might end up being a better investment for general/mainstream personal use.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Your comment stands for Amd v Nvidia at all times imho but it never seams to matter to nvidia fanboys so I'm staying with getting a 1070 for the Op plus if you go amd you might ruin the blue and green colour coding in your case.

 

[thesmokingman]

There was very little to almost no impact on a gtx980, how ever when they tested the Fury X in the same test there was impact. Some games more then others. AMD test is more relevant for AMD cards since it uses PCI-e bus to talk to other card.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X_PCI-Express_Scaling/1.html

That very article does show that PCIe 2.0 x4 has a performance impact. It's even worse likely if it's chipset bound.

EDIT: And it's far worse in the Fury X article, yeah...

Far worse? The math doesn't seem to support that.

980

Real performance losses only become apparent in x8 1.1 and x4 2.0, where the performance drop becomes noticeable with around 15%. We also tested x4 1.1, though of more academic interest, and saw performance drop by up to 25%, an indicator that PCIe bandwidth can't be constrained indefinitely without a serious loss in performance.

Fury

Real performance losses only become apparent in x8 1.1 and x4 2.0, where the performance drop becomes noticeable with around 6-10%. We also tested x4 1.1, though of more academic interest, and saw performance drop by up to 20%, an indicator that PCIe bandwidth can't be constrained indefinitely without a serious loss in performance.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

I seriously would NOT buy into 480 Crossfire, especially just because you made an oversight in purchasing your MB.

It should be an obvious red flag to most, that AMD uses just ONE title, Ashes of Singularity, to example 480 Crossfire performance.

The last decent card AMD made was the 7970. Ever since then, Nvidia has dominated on performance, reliability, and even price.

Just wait until the aftermarket 1070s release. I'm betting you will be able to get one for around $400.

 

[R-T-B]

Far worse? The math doesn't seem to support that.

980


Fury

Mental memory aparently was wrong. Have a thanks.

 

[OneMoar]

 

[moproblems99]

After my experience with dual cards, I will never do it again. I will buy one really good card and use whatever money is left to buy whiskey.