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Yeah, they do have better CPU, ram, etc drivers should be the same.
 
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what about the chipset? (don't know much about Intel rig)

Well it's a specific chipset for the i7. Overall, it's suppose to be a better PC setup.
 

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Does anyone know if fermi can do a perfect circle with AF like the 5xxx series? I usually check that out at tech report but they don't have a fermi review for some reason.

No, its AF isn't as good. I did see a good review of it but it'll take me a while to find it. I'll edit my post and put a link up when i do.

Here's the link, bottom of page. Anand does say the differences though aren't noticeable to our eyes.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=7
 
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Semiaccurate and fudzilla are wrong more than they are right. Not to mention, they are just annoying assholes anyway. Nobody in their right mind cares what they have to say, right or wrong notwithstanding.

I really don't mind about their ranting attitude as long as the stuff is true , and I have not been there like long but I didn't saw any biased nonsense yet , they are just critical to everything what's the big deal. Then post an example where they were wrong you just say without even elaborating, they were the only ones which rumored there will be huge delays for fermi and that TSMC has low yields for nvidia cores, which did happen obviously.

And of course they are annoying to people who see the truth that hurts them the most. ;)

Who would you recommend for a more trustable source?






So there you have it , latest ol' "guru3d catalyst liner"

GURU3D GTX480 REVIEW PAGE 22

Also, the latest Catalyst 10.3 drivers have shown performance improvements for the ATI cards. Would we have used say Cat 10.1, the lead would probably have gone to NVIDIA.

Just of what kind of they posted years ago , EXCUSES. And some nvidia guys are saying CCC is bad , no , ATI had better drivers from GEFORCE 4 times , i had friends and they confirmed this at the time , and I didn't bought a gpu like yesterday.

And that's exactly the thing I argued with them a year back in an old nvidia review , about excuses , and they made a big deal out of it , 10 of the most seniour gurus showed up , with the atmosphere looking like , that I as an insolent delinquent for saken in the land of divine darkness innocently looking up, dare to question the might and justice of their wisdom in their magnificent more than a decade of tradition worth of holy whatever-they-call-it saga , review.
;; what the hell whatsoever.

My only experience with geforce drivers was at a friend , i had to reinstall it 4 times to find the correct one which enabled more available resolutions at the time , their naming with gf932.9020492č.393 is really nice.
 
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I just found a review which has great greatly favours the GTX 480 despite its limiting efforts to defeat ATI. I dont believe it my eyes when I see this.

They benchmark GTX 480 SLI vs. HD 5970 with the HD 5970 blowing the doors off the 480's SLI setup and in the last page "Power, Temp & Sound" they withheld the HD 5970 information and instead replace with HD 5870 Crossfire :confused: They didn't do any benchmark with HD 5870 crossfire vs. GTX 480 SLI, they only use HD 5970. Something not right with this website. I think they get paid by Nvidia or they are NvidiaBOTS:eek:

Power, Temp & Sound
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review/7

Look at Dirt 2 & Bad Company 2 benchmarks, HD 5970 vs. 480 SLI, the ATI kills the SLI setup but he says nothing positive about ATI. But once 480 wins by a little he goes crazy about it and he make sure it’s emphasised in this writings. Talk about bias that so easy to see.

If ATI win no problem and if Nvidia win no problem, but state the obvious don't hide ATIs positive benchmark results.

DiRT 2
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review/6
[H] reviews are crap, plain and simple. Their methods introduce too many possible inconsistencies.

I really don't mind about their ranting attitude as long as the stuff is true , and I have not been there like long but I didn't saw any biased nonsense yet , they are just critical to everything what's the big deal. Then post an example where they were wrong you just say without even elaborating, they were the only ones which rumored there will be huge delays for fermi and that TSMC has low yields for nvidia cores, which did happen obviously.

And of course they are annoying to people who see the truth that hurts them the most. ;)

Who would you recommend for a more trustable source?






So there you have it , latest ol' "guru3d catalyst liner"



Just of what kind of they posted years ago , EXCUSES. And some nvidia guys are saying CCC is bad , no , ATI had better drivers from GEFORCE 4 times , i had friends and they confirmed this at the time , and I didn't bought a gpu like yesterday.

And that's exactly the thing I argued with them a year back in an old nvidia review , about excuses , and they made a big deal out of it , 10 of the most seniour gurus showed up , with the atmosphere looking like , that I as an insolent delinquent for saken in the land of divine darkness innocently looking up, dare to question the might and justice of their wisdom in their magnificent more than a decade of tradition worth of holy whatever-they-call-it saga , review.
;; what the hell whatsoever.

My only experience with geforce drivers was at a friend , i had to reinstall it 4 times to find the correct one which enabled more available resolutions at the time , their naming with gf932.9020492č.393 is really nice.
Trustable source = Tpu

Tpu does not use Semi and Fud because of the many times in the past that their posts were inaccurate, ranting garbage. Dig thru archived tpu news posts from before they quit using those 2 as sources to see examples of their inaccuracies. Yeah, they strike gold sometimes, but even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut. ;)
 
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The GTX 480 dropping price?

I dont think so..........

Im pretty sure by the stocks of the cards, and how high nvidia seemed to be forced to put the price tag on at 499. Seems like they really couldn't sell it at a lower price. The 480 makes me sad for sure:shadedshu.

What ?

You mean they (NV) won't drop prices for now or won't drop prices even in August ? They'll have to if they want to release GTX 485 or something like that. August seem reasonable enough for -100$ price drop. :D

As for makes you sad part : wait til GTX 485 comes out. :) I think i'll settle for GTX 480, though. Wait 'n' see if the price will drop in August or save some more when i'll come back from Wacken in August. Hope the price will drop by then.
 

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the amount of 480's being sold used will probbaly be very high once people actually realize all the cons. It's hard to live along side a hot ass noisy gpu... so wait a few months and snag one for cheap if you really must have one.

Plus the affect on cpu overclocks do to massive heat coming from the gpu will piss people off also..after watercooling it's just too much of a waste of money to gain an average of 10-13% over the cheaper alternative unless you realllly love to play Far Cry 2.
 
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I don't think there will be many for sale used... because I don't think that many will buy them. High price with probably low availability won't help either. I would expect to see more 470s for resale because they have the exact same shitty temps despite the speed drop because the cooler is weaker.
 
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Has anyone seen frame rates in the mid 50's using a 5870 at stock in Dirt 2 at 1920, 4xaa in game, 16xAF using CCC, DX11 in the Malaysia track? I've never seen it as it's usually much higher (depending on the track). But I've never seen frame rates averaging the mid 50s. As a matter of fact I've never seen mins in the 50's.

source

Because source is biased ,dont want to say more and derail thread .

Edit : I saw a lot of sites tested dirt2 demo gtx480 running at Dx 9.0 , actual game runs at DX 11 (but not demo ) at gtx480 .Check the TPU dirt2 numbers and compare with others .
 
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Core goes all the way from 700MHz to 1.165GHz on LN2 courtesy of Shamino.

I'd love to see this card's benchies compared to the standard one in W1zzard's review. :D

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This is a really great article explaining what happened and why such low yields with high power for the GTX 480 & 470. You want to know details this is it. Non bias and well writen.

Yeah, Charlie knows his stuff all right. I don't know why people despise him so much for it and accuse him of talking hot air. He's cutting through the corporate spin and crap and reporting the truth to us all. What's not to like? Comments complementing Charlie always seem to attract flames unfortunately... please keep it civil everyone.
 
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This is a really great article explaining what happened and why such low yields with high power for the GTX 480 & 470. You want to know details this is it. Non bias and well writen.

Yeah, Charlie knows his stuff all right. I don't know why people despise him so much for it and accuse him of talking hot air. He's cutting through the corporate spin and crap and reporting the truth to us all. What's not to like? Comments complementing Charlie always seem to attract flames unfortunately... please keep it civil everyone.

Because he says things like:

"...To call the launch a debacle is giving Nvidia more credit than it is due...While it is a sad farce...Nvidia made the rather idiotic mistake of announcing the GTX470 and GTX480 names in January....It is hard to say anything good about these kinds of yields, much less to call it a win...What it has isn't pretty... A one-point-something percent yield, however, is a number greater than zero."

Never mind that 1)AMD did this exact same thing with the 2900 or the Phenom, that these products were crap in their time and lead to a great line of products. Or that 2) the majority of the problems were due to the fact that TSMC's 45nm manufacturing process wasn't as good as it should have been. Or that 3) despite all these problems and setbacks, they managed to keep the performance at least somewhat decent.

A product based on the fermi in its 32nm form will be extremely competitive. AMD knocked the 5 series out of the park, they did a great job... And if you look at the 2900XT design, you will basically see the idea behind the 5 series, leaky as hell, on a 80nm process.

His articles are packed to the brim with bias, in fact you have to read through the bios and pick out things that look like facts. After you pick them out you have to shake them really hard to get the bias off lol. After that, he can be a great source of information.

He is the fox news of tech reporting - sometimes right and highly polarizing. You either love him or you hate him.
 
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I agree he can get a bit ranty sometimes, but hey, he hates bullshit from companies - of either side. I don't think he's blindly biased against nvidia - they've been pulling some nasty renaming stalling tricks, among others, while developing their latest and greatest GPU and I think he's right to blast them, even if it's wearing to read that sort of thing over and over; nvidia are doing it over and over, aren't they?

And look, I've got a GTX285 which I'm really happy with, so I can't be accused of fanboism, either.

I agree that the Fermi GPU is likely to work very well on a smaller process technology. It basically appears to be a little ahead of its time at the moment, so the current cutting edge 40nm production doesn't err, cut it. :)

Charlie's "I told you so!" article was inevitable, wasn't it? :laugh:
 
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What's so special about fermi architecture by the by?

Seems to be the same unified shader architecture that's in all other cards at the moment.
 
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This is a really great article explaining what happened and why such low yields with high power for the GTX 480 & 470. You want to know details this is it. Non bias and well writen.

Yeah, Charlie knows his stuff all right. I don't know why people despise him so much for it and accuse him of talking hot air. He's cutting through the corporate spin and crap and reporting the truth to us all. What's not to like? Comments complementing Charlie always seem to attract flames unfortunately... please keep it civil everyone.


Just the thing I was going to post , yeah , you see that such articles come from there and it DOES prove to be true in the end most of the time , but I rather not say always.

The fact people get pissed is because of his ranting attitude, but what's about that , it's a bit subjecitvely colored , it's nothing WRONG actually , and the fact is , it's is right , nvidia shouldn't have introduced stuff so early if it would miss the date by half a year.

Just see how many times they bashed other companies not just nvidia , but nvidia deserves this , it's an epic fail , why would they bash ATI , it struggled with frame rates most of the time but it was always close , nvidia hype always made a big difference , there was technically only 10% of difference in the end , but it ?never? did PR bullshit , lying , false advertising , or showing off in-house videos of "experts" showing unigine heaven only the bits where they had better framerate.

Why would they even start a rant about ATI , did they do anything wrong (except that drivers sometimes flop in certain areas) , did they disable one core on HD5870 ? did they faked a card in a conference ? did they keept assuring the card is 3x times better while when tested it's like only 15% better than the counterpart only in certain tests and half a year too late.

One thing is for sure with people, it's always something other to blame rather than the magnificent and beloved SOURCE.


What's so special about fermi architecture by the by?

Seems to be the same unified shader architecture that's in all other cards at the moment.


The question nobody ask and actually compare it to the counterpart. What are the results.
 
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Just the thing I was going to post , yeah , you see that such articles come from there and it DOES prove to be true in the end most of the time , but I rather not say always.

The fact people get pissed is because of his ranting attitude, but what's about that , it's a bit subjecitvely colored , it's nothing WRONG actually , and the fact is , it's is right , nvidia shouldn't have introduced stuff so early if it would miss the date by half a year.

Just see how many times they bashed other companies not just nvidia , but nvidia deserves this , it's an epic fail , why would they bash ATI , it struggled with frame rates most of the time but it was always close , nvidia hype always made a big difference , there was technically only 10% of difference in the end , but it ?never? did PR bullshit , lying , false advertising , or showing off in-house videos of "experts" showing unigine heaven only the bits where they had better framerate.

Why would they even start a rant about ATI , did they do anything wrong (except that drivers sometimes flop in certain areas) , did they disable one core on HD5870 ? did they faked a card in a conference ? did they keept assuring the card is 3x times better while when tested it's like only 15% better than the counterpart only in certain tests and half a year too late.


Yes... they have... in the past - sure. They claimed that R600 was gonna be faster than the G80 - and so did Charlie. And when it came out and flopped... did Charlie say anything? Not a peep. He also said that the R700 would demolish the G200. When that didn't happen - G200 was hot, huge, and unprofitable and nvidia was yelling at their board partners and they were going out of business.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1014862/r600s-secret-weapon-revealed <<< i mean wtf is that? that NEVER happened.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1006681/nvidia-g80-misses-tape-out


And the whole "native quad core" thing and how badly it would have beaten the Core 2 Quad series, complete with tweaked benches and misleading graphs right on AMD.com.

PR is PR, dont think that ATi/AMD is any better that Nvidia. Its just Charlie seems to pick on nvidia and no one else.

All PR departments are designed to stop the bleeding when things are bad. Why? So your stock doesn't plummet through the floor and people don't lose their jobs. AMD promised and promised the R600 and kept getting delayed.
 
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The fact people get pissed is because of his ranting attitude, but what's about that , it's a bit subjecitvely colored , it's nothing WRONG actually , and the fact is , it's is right , nvidia shouldn't have introduced stuff so early if it would miss the date by half a year.

I agree with your whole post, Ruski. This bit (the rant) I think is at least part of the reason he gets the flak and isn't justified.
 
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Both of you just haven't been around long enough, or haven't been paying attention long enough, to know that AMD and Nvidia both use the exact same tactics. Look at the news from 2006-2007 and then again in 2008.

And its not his ranting attitude, ranting is fine as long as you spread the love and rant about everything. When you're a hypocrite and you rant only about the flaws of one side, then it becomes a problem. One of the reasons CD is such great flamebait.
 
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Never mind that 1)AMD did this exact same thing with the 2900 or the Phenom, that these products were crap in their time and lead to a great line of products.

Ofcourse , they never kept assuring it would beat the counterpart by 60% , never hyped it as the new and the best in the world at the time , it was the time with phenom TLB bug , that's why :( i bought intel quad q9300 in the first shipment that arrived in my country.

My brother bought PhenomII x4 955 BE (suggested by me :p), the PC works PERFECTLY , BFBC2 , and other games run without a hich on windows 7. Excelent for like 30% less money mobo and proc.
 
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Ofcourse , they never kept assuring it would beat the counterpart by 60% , never hyped it as the new and the best in the world at the time , it was the time with phenom TLB bug , that's why :( i bought intel quad q9300 in the first shipment that arrived in my country.

My brother bought PhenomII x4 955 BE (suggested by me :p), the PC works PERFECTLY , BFBC2 , and other games run without a hich on windows 7. Excelent for like 30% less money mobo and proc.

http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn012907-story02.html

http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2007/03/8958.ars

Yeah... they did keep assuring, same as with the R600.
 

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Yeah, Charlie knows his stuff all right. I don't know why people despise him so much for it and accuse him of talking hot air. He's cutting through the corporate spin and crap and reporting the truth to us all. What's not to like? Comments complementing Charlie always seem to attract flames unfortunately... please keep it civil everyone.

Because he is not right at all. He is semiaccurate at best and that works both ways, he can be right or not and most of the times he is not. Now he bends the truth to look like he was right, but he was not right and beither is now probably. i.e:

- He says less than 10.000 cards are going to be launched, despite Nvidia disabled a SM. Several other sources with far more reputation than him are saying that Nvidia had less than 10.000 only when it was 512 SPs, now that they disabled an SM they will have 50.000 cards at launch. Charlie 0 - Truth 1

- He said Fermi die was greater than 600 mm^2, it's 530mm^2. It's easy to say the chip it's going to be big, everybody knew that. That's the same that clairvoyants do, use vague words, that way you are always either semiaccurate if you are right or only semi-inaccurate if you are wrong, pretty much like: a very famous and loved celebrity is going to die this year. No man, you have to be 100% right on this one or you are NOT right. He was right? Definately not. Charlie 0 - Truth 2

- He said it would NOT have hardware dedicated tesselator and made many claims, articles and long posts and thorought explanations of how and why, both in SA and Beyond3D. (In fact he also said it would not have any dedicated hardware like ROPs or TMUs, but let's forgive him since that was long ago). Charlie 0 - Truth 3

- He said high end Fermi had been cut down to 448 SPs. Again or you are right or you aren't. 0 - 4

- He said the clocks would be 600- 625 Mhz for the high end. That was last week, specs were final by then, if he trully had any info he would have been right. 0 - 5

- He said that Fermi would run at 1.1 volts, now he says that Nvidia actually upped the volts, even when the card runs at a much lower voltage than what he claimed. Really? 0 - 6

- he said the 512 SP part was only 5% faster than 5870 (he still says that, from what I read) and the 480 SP part is actually 15-20% faster, while the 448 SP 600 Mhz part is almost as fast. 0 - 7 (In fact, not so long ago and for a very long period of time he said that Fermi would be much SLOWER than Cypress actually, so I'm really thinking about giving him 2 negative points here instead of one)

- He said 2% yields, because they gave him this info: "Nvidia got 9 samples back from TSMC in September" when the message, before it was badly translated from chinese actually said: "Nvidia got samples back from TSMC in September 9th" :laugh: 0 - 8

- He still pretends that Nvidia asked 9000 waffers for Fermi and will release less than 10.000 cards, so he pretends to say that Nvidia is selling cards at a loss of $3000-$4000 per card. :laugh: 0 - 9

- he said it would be late. 1 - 9

The only thing he is been right about is that it would be late so far. That and that it would have a very high TDP, but that's something that he didn't say himself, I mean he was not the first one to say that. I think it was brightsideofnews.com. we give him one point? Hmmok... 2 - 8

All in all he has never been right and he said the same things about G80 for example. In the case of G80 everything was wrong or semi-wrong and in this case things have been semi-accurate, if you take the vague claims instead of the actual "facts". That is, it's late (although not as late as he claimed, April anyone?), it's not as fast as Nvidia wanted although it's not as dramatic as he said.
 
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If you can desifer much of the hot air, you got to admit Charlie states much of the truth. Just like another poster said, nothing wrong with digging deep and trying to get rid of the entire BS companies spill as to not let people know the real truth of the matter. Of course that makes a lot of sense, NVIDIA telling the truth would have screwed there stock price and preserved quality.

Personally NVIDIA missed the ball on Fermi, it’s not for this generation, and it should have been put on a smaller process perhaps the next one down the line. IMO right now it’s NVIDIA’s failure and now they have to live with it.
 
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Whether he was right or wrong.One thing remains the 480/70 was a balls up as its too hot,too inefficient,not much faster than 58xx.
 
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