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It's the little things. Like this screw I found for the faceplate. It looks like the audio jacks.

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I thought that was a blank for a w/c rad first off...
Here's a thought: if you was to have three for line in/mic/cans..you think it'd look good with a faintly glowing coloured LED surrounding the edge? green for cans pink for mic etc
 
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Cans? I assume that's the slang for headphones these days? :D

I didn't want colored jacks. I found this front io with chrome jacks that I couldn't have designed better myself if I tried. It's a prefect fit.
 
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The only thing I didn't particularly care for was the led above that power button. I have one that's on my speakers and it's extremely annoying. If there is an LCD screen indicator right under that cd-rom drive you have there, wouldn't that indicate that the PC is powered on anyway? :)
1 less, even though small, cable to get rid of. Just a thought.

And I hope that CD-ROM drive is the small form-factor kind, like the ones that come w/ laptops, not a stand-alone you get for your desktop. Anyhow, it looks slim n fancy.
 
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Id think a brushed metal power button would accent better
 
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* If I can fit a watercooler into the case then I will defintaly be trying out liquid cooling> nothing personal but feel liquid cooling is the new age of cpu cooling IMO. ;)
 
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The only thing I didn't particularly care for was the led above that power button. I have one that's on my speakers and it's extremely annoying. If there is an LCD screen indicator right under that cd-rom drive you have there, wouldn't that indicate that the PC is powered on anyway? :)
1 less, even though small, cable to get rid of. Just a thought.

And I hope that CD-ROM drive is the small form-factor kind, like the ones that come w/ laptops, not a stand-alone you get for your desktop. Anyhow, it looks slim n fancy.

I had considered the anoyance of LEDs. That's why the HDD LED was removed. The power LED is set back behind the front panel. The red light you see is shining through a .060" hole in the faceplate. It's pretty sharp looking in person. Some faceplates won't have the LCD display. You can buy it with or without. Yes it's a slim slot-loading laptop SATA optical drive.

Id think a brushed metal power button would accent better

The button attaches directly to a tiny PC power switch. The weight of a metal button might wear it out sooner. I agree it would look sharp.

* If I can fit a watercooler into the case then I will defintaly be trying out liquid cooling> nothing personal but feel liquid cooling is the new age of cpu cooling IMO. ;)

There may be some laws of physics your missing. The cooling limitation in a small chassis is surface area of the cooler NOT the transfer medium (ammonia, water, ect.). You will use up your already limited space with a pump, hoses, and manifolds. The manifolds are the small tanks on the ends of the radiators that are used to evenly disperse the fluid to the tubes.

Do you understand that the water in a water cooler is only moving the heat from one area to another? It's up to the radiator to transfer the heat into the air. The laws of physics still apply to water cooling.
 
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There may be some laws of physics your missing. The cooling limitation in a small chassis is surface area of the cooler NOT the transfer medium (ammonia, water, ect.). You will use up your already limited space with a pump, hoses, and manifolds. The manifolds are the small tanks on the ends of the radiators that are used to evenly disperse the fluid to the tubes.

Do you understand that the water in a water cooler is only moving the heat from one area to another? It's up to the radiator to transfer the heat into the air. The laws of physics still apply to water cooling.

lol no pleasing that guy
 
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* I dunno much about watercooling, but when I did go that route, I found expelling hot air to the outside of the case form the cpu works better, than whipping hot air around inside the chassis with a heatsink assembly> or even sucking cool air into the case didn't help keeping the CPU / RAM cool,
My case is mid tower and it's pretty tight already, pushing hot around around such a tiny area means that my GPU suffers from the expelled heat, such as would probably be with your chassis case assembly etc> Heat pipe will push hot air directly into the GPU card> $1,000 card that is, I feel that moving the heat away from the CPU and the GPU for that matters means, there's no hot air inside the case anylonger, it's tossed out with good results, CPU stays happy and so does the GPU> The 3770K runs VERY cool at stock temps> so it's not a huge deal. But watercooling :ohwell:
 
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Sounds like you should mod an external radiator all in one like the koolance styles, onto an itx with maybe a cowling to improve portability/strength. No itx maker is going to make a serious watercooling case. There would be not enough demand to make it worthwhile.
 
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* I dunno much about watercooling...

Agreed.

...pushing hot around around such a tiny area means that my GPU suffers from the expelled heat, such as would probably be with your chassis case assembly etc> Heat pipe will push hot air directly into the GPU card

Not the case. ;) You'll see how when it's done. :)

Sounds like you should mod an external radiator all in one like the koolance styles, onto an itx with maybe a cowling to improve portability/strength. No itx maker is going to make a serious watercooling case. There would be not enough demand to make it worthwhile.

This case is very modable when it comes to making changes. If the right rear fan was removed it would give you the room you need for hoses to exit the chassis. The remaining fan is plenty for the ram/mobo.

I did plan on making a small companion cooling unit with pump, reservoir, 4x120mm fans, radiators, USB monitoring interface, and quick-release couplings for transport. The unit would be powered from a 12v power brick about the size of a a netbook adaptor.
 
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That would be very cool, especially if it could bolt securely to the main unit for carrying in addition to quick release, just to be safe.
 
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First sample production part tomorrow. :D There going to do a test run of the faceplate in the CNC to get the time/cost accurate. If I ok the sample they'll run another 50pcs.

Internal volume (ATX version) = 0.412 cubic feet.

I was kind of suprised at that figure. I thought the ATX supply would put it over 0.5.
 
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* can you post pics of the internals of the case to see if watercooling it is feasible?
 
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Unfortunatly no, not yet.

The most you can fit in there is a 90mm -maybe- a 120mm slim radiator with a slim fan. I posted the space above the CPU. I believe it was around 2.9". You will still have to modify the enclosure's top cover by cutting vent slits. A standard HSF will offer better performance. You can't beat the laws of physics and more fin wins.

Most slim ITX chassis give you a half-height graphics card and limited power supply to run stock clocks. The ability to run a full size graphics card and ATX power supply in a chassis this small is leaps ahead of anyone elses offerings (for now). Some sacrifices had to be made. My goal was to sacrifice as little as possible. Watercooling was just one of the sacrifices that had to be made. If I made it big enough to support water cooling I'd loose 80% of my sales to satisfy a 2% market who want's a 5% FPS gain. :rolleyes:
 
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Most slim ITX chassis give you a half-height graphics card and limited power supply to run stock clocks. The ability to run a full size graphics card and ATX power supply in a chassis this small is leaps ahead of anyone elses offerings (for now).

I have been waiting and waiting and waiting on building a small compact enough HTPC that would be powerful enough to run current games at max or close to max settings (1080p) without becoming a furnace inside a small case.

Right now, theres only about 4 PSUs on the egg that are only 80 bronze certified which are designed to fit inside mini-itx cases and don't put out too many watts. And none of them are modular :shadedshu And graphics cards, forget it. Unless your going to get the ASUS 670GTX mini, a high-end graphics card just isn't going to fit period.

I hope you designed a case that interests people like me.
 
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I have been waiting and waiting and waiting on building a small compact enough HTPC that would be powerful enough to run current games at max or close to max settings (1080p) without becoming a furnace inside a small case.

Right now, theres only about 4 PSUs on the egg that are only 80 bronze certified which are designed to fit inside mini-itx cases and don't put out too many watts. And none of them are modular :shadedshu And graphics cards, forget it. Unless your going to get the ASUS 670GTX mini, a high-end graphics card just isn't going to fit period.

I hope you designed a case that interests people like me.

I agree, anyone out there under the age of 50 will probably want a full size GPU in their gaming case, otherwise I could be blowing bubbles with a tiny mac mini that does the same thing and smaller.
 
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Didn't you mention in an earlier post you fit a full size gpu?

Yes. Up too 12".

I have been waiting and waiting and waiting on building a small compact enough HTPC that would be powerful enough to run current games at max or close to max settings (1080p) without becoming a furnace inside a small case.

Right now, theres only about 4 PSUs on the egg that are only 80 bronze certified which are designed to fit inside mini-itx cases and don't put out too many watts. And none of them are modular :shadedshu And graphics cards, forget it. Unless your going to get the ASUS 670GTX mini, a high-end graphics card just isn't going to fit period.

I hope you designed a case that interests people like me.

Yup. ATX support (not modular ATX) and an HD7970 (11") or GTX Titan (10.5") will fit. Those SFX power supplies are hit and miss. The 4 I tested fail at about 350w. The FSP 450w held up but ran very hot. The KDM smelled like a burning electronics factory. As for cooling, I can't vouch for non-reference GPU coolers. They tend to s--t hot air everywhere and choke when the fan's inlet is near another surface.

Wiring is TIGHT. You'll have to use your zip-ties wisely. :D

The ATX version was designed for power supplies using 80mm fans
 
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I lost more than a few brain cells reading that.


Yes. Up too 12".

Yup. ATX support (not modular ATX) and an HD7970 (11") or GTX Titan (10.5") will fit. Those SFX power supplies are hit and miss. The 4 I tested fail at about 350w. The FSP 450w held up but ran very hot. The KDM smelled like a burning electronics factory. As for cooling, I can't vouch for non-reference GPU coolers. They tend to s--t hot air everywhere and choke when the fan's inlet is near another surface.

Wiring is TIGHT. You'll have to use your zip-ties wisely. :D

The ATX version was designed for power supplies using 80mm fans

Well, I'm sure the fact that CPUs and GPUs keep improving in the manufacturing process helps keep temps at acceptable ranges. We sure don't want a hotbox on our hands. Maybe 1 more generation of die-shrinks and things will be acceptable with stock coolers. Who knows.

Just as long as I have the ability to put a super efficient gold/platinum PSU in there, I'm good. If it can fit ATX PSUs, does it matter if its modular or not? I'm sure it doesn't affect the actual size of the unit modular vs non-modular.

Anyway, how long do you estimate you will have a working case for order? (might be asking too much)...How about...when do you tihnk you can show us a picture of what it will look like in it's final stage when it's "sellable"?
 
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If it can fit ATX PSUs, does it matter if its modular or not?

It's designed for 150 × 86 × 140mm ATX supplies. Most modular ATX are longer then 140mm.

Isn't it interesting how PSU efficiency keeps going up but so does the physical size? There's no need for anything over 500w in a SFF build. The power supplies sold these days are getting ridiculous. Either that or the customers are, who buy 1kw powersupplies to power a stock i7 and a single GPU. :rolleyes:

The power supply provided is a modified BP500 (500w Antec continuous rating). Provided connectors are 20+4, 4+4, 6 and 6+6, and two Molex+floppy on a single whip. The two sata whips containing the orange 3.3v rail are removed. A Molex to SATA Y-cable is provided to supply the SATA power. The floppy connector is used for the optical drive. The remaining Molex connector can be used for accessories or used with another Molex to SATA Y-cable to power to two additional 3.5" drives that can be mounted in place of the GPU, if desired. I felt this kept PSU cable clutter to a minimum.

The BP500 is rated at:
3.3v 30a
5v 30a
12v1 18a
12v2 18a

They could have done a better job with the fan curve but I've seen worse.

Yesterday's updates...

The plastics shop... is all set (as in paid) to produce the molds and 1000pcs each of the power button and power switch retainer. I have a 2 week lead time on those parts.

The sheetmetal shop... told me to change the thickness of the material in my drawings to .060" because that's the thickness of the aluminum they use. I was left thinking I had to relocate dozens of holes and component constraints to account for .003" difference. When I got home I measured the samples and they're exactly .063". In that case, my drawings are right. I'll be heading over there in the morning to find out why they told me .060".

The Machine shop... recieved the material for faceplates. I should have those tomorrow.
 
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I just hope you can ship to my country.

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Processor i7 2600k@4.6ghz
Motherboard MSI z68ma-ed55
Cooling Silentx Extreem 120mm
Memory 2x4gb XMS 7-8-7-20 1600
Video Card(s) HD6870
Storage 2x128gb Kingston Hyper-X (Raid0), 2x750gb RE3 (RAID1), 2x750gb RE3 (RAID1)
Display(s) Soyo 24", Gateway 22"
Case Fractal Design Arc Mini 6x120mm fans.
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Zalman 750w
Software Windows 7
The sample faceplates are in. One was sent for finishing. This one is raw from the CNC. I need to remember I'm not making engine parts and allow a little more clearance for things. :D The audio jacks are an exact fit and could cause them to bind when the tray is inserted. I'll add a little more clearance in production.

First photo taken next to a 32oz Gatorade for size reference. Second photo shows the size difference between the SFX and ATX versions.

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