Water cooled rig - Push and pull setup done temperatures not clear, any help?

[mlee49]

you did a big mistake.....
the big radiator is not in the right position , the heat is at the top so waters that goes out of it , drains the heat [again]
you should flip the big radiator upside-down

here is the plan :
with a box like that
having two holes for tubes and one for letting in the power cable . that is a security to prevent an accident that would cause water to get out of the loop
here is a pc of me looking like your :

i changed the mainboard for a sli one
look at the temp playing rage , i live in south of france with 17*c [not under the sun ;']

40 *c in the cpu , above 50 *c the loop should be reworked and optimized ...

Personally I wouldn't listen to a word this guy said. Flipping the rad upside down isn't going to do anything, and I'm not sure you understand that he has not only the external rad but another one along the top. Sure his loop order could be optimized, but its not that big of a deal.

One critique I saw was the tubing size, it looks like very small Outer Diameter tubing like 3/8" or 5/8". Sure it bends easier but it restricts water flow and increases pressure on the pump.

But, from what I'm guessing, OP didn't make the loop himself. I assume he ordered the PC with this setup, hence my suggestion not to touch the loop order and mess with it. Its a shame you have a ton of radiator space but are seeing more than ideal temperature deltas.
If the OP did buy the PC premade(loop included), I completely understand his concern. I know if I paid $200 over air cooling, I would like to see noticeable results(which you are).

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

Personally I wouldn't listen to a word this guy said. Flipping the rad upside down isn't going to do anything, and I'm not sure you understand that he has not only the external rad but another one along the top. Sure his loop order could be optimized, but its not that big of a deal.

I completely agree. I have no idea what the heck that guy is talking about. You loop is fine. Even if you did flip the radiator I doubt you would see any difference in temps. That waterloop is capable of dissipating far more heat then your system is capable of putting out right now, which is great. You have a lot of room to expand.

 

[jcgeny]

Right now I am doing a 15 minutes full load test and temperatures keep going up and down
From 52 to 57 c it's that normal?
And it's the same in idle, temperatures goes up and down from 28 to 33 c

if read : http://ark.intel.com/fr/products/65719/Intel-Core-i7-3770-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz
your cpu is only 77 w
and radiators are 6 x 120
make the loop like i said and tell what are your temps .

 

[FireFox]

I did my loop my self and if you have
Any suggestion I will appreciate it

Loop goes this way

Reservoir - pump- first radiator than to the second radiator than to CPU than to
Reservoir!!
Any suggestion?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Why all those radiators when you are using a 3770 which cant be OC'd like the K version. You could have gotten the same temps with some better AIO cooler.

I have to agree with this completely. You would have saved hundreds just getting an AIO cooler, and probably around the same temps. And could have put those hundreds into a better GPU, upgrading from the 580.

 

[jcgeny]

I did my loop my self and if you have
Any suggestion I will appreciate it

Loop goes this way

Reservoir - pump- first radiator than to the second radiator than to CPU than to
Reservoir!!
Any suggestion?

the water in the reservoir is at the temp of the water in the cpu so 50-60 *c
that is not so good because the pump has this hot water...

pump -reservoir -cpu -little radiator - future vga- big radiator -> pump
or pump -reservoir -little radiator - cpu - big radiator -> pump

it is better to have radiators between cpu - gpu than direct connection that deliver hot water

 

[manofthem]

the water in the reservoir is at the temp of the water in the cpu so 50-60 *c
that is not so good because the pump has this hot water...

pump -reservoir -cpu -little radiator - future vga- big radiator -> pump
or pump -reservoir -little radiator - cpu - big radiator -> pump

it is better to have radiators between cpu - gpu than direct connection that deliver hot water

Wrong again, and again. Putting the rads between stuff makes like 0 difference. After a few minutes, after temps equal out and it won't really matter.

And just because a cpu is at 60C, that doesn't mean the water temp is there; it's substantially lower.

And why on earth would you put the pump right before the res?

OP, please kindly ignore most of what jcgeny advises.

 

[FireFox]

Jcgeny sorry but I disagree with you
It's wrong to put the pump
right before res, it doesn't make any sense!!

Manofthem I agree with you

I forgot to say that I am cooling just
The CPU and not the VGA!!!

So manofthem as I can see you can
Give good suggestions!!!

Can you help telling me what could I
Do in order that I can improve my loop setup!
Thanks

 

[MxPhenom 216]

the water in the reservoir is at the temp of the water in the cpu so 50-60 *c
that is not so good because the pump has this hot water...

pump -reservoir -cpu -little radiator - future vga- big radiator -> pump
or pump -reservoir -little radiator - cpu - big radiator -> pump

it is better to have radiators between cpu - gpu than direct connection that deliver hot water

So wrong in so many ways. Having radiators inbetween waterblocks yields no change, except for the first minute of the system running, but after that the system will hit equilibrium.

Run block to block to block, etc. then to the radiators.

And pump should be setup in a way that it is pulling water from the reservoir, so pump should be after reservoir, but they should be one after another.

But seriously, you should refrain from posting in water cooling threads.

 

[FireFox]

So I will poste my setup once again and everybody is free to correct it!!!

So my Loop setup it's done in this way:

Reservoir--->pump--->big rad--->small rad---->CPU block---->once again reservoir

So if this setup it's wrong can someone correct it?

How should I set it up in the way that can better work?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

So I will poste my setup once again and everybody is free to correct it!!!

So my Loop setup it's done in this way:

Reservoir--->pump--->big rad--->small rad---->CPU block---->once again reservoir

So if this setup it's wrong can someone correct it?

How should I set it up in the way that can better work?

Thats fine. Loop order doesnt really matter, except for pump after reservior. Just run the shortest, cleanest tube routes.

 

[FireFox]

mlee49
You said my setup could be optimized,
What do you think I could do to optimize it, any ideas?

You said
One critique I saw was the tubing size, it looks like very small Outer Diameter tubing like 3/8" or 5/8". Sure it bends easier but it restricts water flow and increases pressure on the pump.

If I change my tubes size than I have
To change everything,
It's that right?

My temperatures with air cooler were
Between 37 up to 40

Now with water cooler are
Between 27 up to 31
No that bad

 

[HammerON]

So I will poste my setup once again and everybody is free to correct it!!!
So my Loop setup it's done in this way:
Reservoir--->pump--->big rad--->small rad---->CPU block---->once again reservoir
So if this setup it's wrong can someone correct it?
How should I set it up in the way that can better work?

Looks pretty good. I personally would have the CPU block between the two rads, but that is a personal choice.

by the way YA all Maestro-WATERCOOLER show us some of your beast ....

There is already a thread for that:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/your-pc-atm.65012/page-1034#post-3069091

 

[FireFox]

Tuesday I will try that one

 

[HammerON]

I am not saying you should do what I stated I would have done. You already have your loop set-up and it is working pretty good so I personally would not want to drain the loop and move the tubbing around when you are already getting decent temps.

 

[FireFox]

You are right!!!!!

 

[Mydog]

I am not saying you should do what I stated I would have done. You already have your loop set-up and it is working pretty good so I personally would not want to take drain the loop to and move the tubbing around when you are already getting decent temps.

Agreed

My choice has always been dual loops but I'm extreme when it comes to water cooling and OC'ing

Only got one question, the push/pull fans on the 480 are they matched in speed?
Not sure I got it right but I think you stated that you're using two different types with different speeds

 

[FireFox]

Ooooooh
You gave me a good idea, maybe I'll put some of them on the top of my case, temperatures will be interesting

 

[FireFox]

Yes that's right, I am using two differents types with different speeds

In push I am using 3000rpm fans which can be adjustable with my fan controller and in pull 1700rpm fans...

As I know faster fans shoul be pushing air and lowers fans pulling,

It's that correct, or am I missing something?

 

[Mydog]

Yes that's right, I am using two differents types with different speeds

In push I am using 3000rpm fans which can be adjustable with my fan controller and in pull 1700rpm fans...

As I know faster fans shoul be pushing air and lowers fans pulling,

It's that correct, or am I missing something?

In theory it should be right but I always match fans in push/pull, just feels right somehow
Shouldn't make much difference anyway.

 

[FireFox]

Agreed

 

[FireFox]

Does the material water block matter?

 

[Mydog]

My only advice for everyone on water cooling is to use QDC's, you'll always have the option to change the loop or hardware without draining it and even add to the loop.

 

[manofthem]

Does the material water block matter?

The standard rule is not to mix aluminum with other metals.\

Can you help telling me what could I do in order that I can improve my loop setup!

I think it's kind of hard to change much in your loop setup without having to purchase additional hardware and/or fittings.

But looking at this:

What I would have tried to do is put the pump up in the area by the res in the big bays, which would cut down on a bit of tubing. Then i think i would go res > pump > rad > rad > cpu > res (or the easiest way to route tubing)

THis is mine currently (there you go jcgenty):

You can see it's a similar situation to your rig for now, til I get moved over to the other case. My res has the pump screwed into it, but perhaps you could swing something similar.

 

[FireFox]

compliment really nice set up!!!

Agree with you cutting down a bit of tubing and putting the pump in the reservoir's area, it's a good idea,

Can't wait till Tuesday, than I let you know and send a pic of it,,,

Radiators are full copper, just the CPU block its a mix plastic and something else


Thanks a lot