What other makes of PSUs are quality other than Corsair?

[kiriakost]

THE BEST are Corsair, Seasonic, Silverstone, and PC Power & Cooling (PCP&C)

Have you ever read the reviews of techPowerUp ?

Have you see the review of 4M780 ?

Will you call the techPowerUp people as " liar s " ?

 

[J-Man]

Thermaltake always.

 

[Havvoc]

I have a Gigabyte ODIN 850 Watt and it is Stttuuuppiddd ........ (uhhh.... Stupid meaning good) it has enough leg room to power 2x GTX 280s and a QX9770 Overclocked to 4.4 GHZ

 

[imperialreign]

As to Hiper . . .


they're hit or miss. Seriously. I had a 580W Hiper-R that was as stable as a rock for almost two years . . . it fed a Pentium 4HT that I ran at 3.9Ghz 24/7, as well as OC DDR2, X-Fi, (2) X1950 PROs, almost 15 case fans, plus all my USB stuffs . . . then I moved up to (2) 3870s and a Q6600 at 3.8GHz running DDR3 and it was still solid . . .

other users, though, don't always have that kind of luck with Hipers . . . some do, some don't. They're like playing Russian Roulette. The one thing every story seems to have in common - if a Hiper will fail, it will do so right after it's warranty is up (which is 1 year).



Currently, I'm on a Kingwin, and not only is it quiet, but stoopid stable, too. Besides, the reviews for it have been stellar as well, and it's not a wallet-killer.

 

[JrRacinFan]

Imperialreign,

I beleive Kingwin PSU's are made by Andyson. I'm not 100% sure on that but Andyson makes quite a few of Thermaltakes psu's also.

 

[{JNT}Raptor]

Hiper PSU's are crap....at least in my experience....I've seen 5 dead rigs by that brand of PSU frying them.....and thats good enough for me not to recommend them to clients wanting a quality build.

I know a few engineers that can't tie their shoes though.....or make toast.

 

[imperialreign]

Imperialreign,

I beleive Kingwin PSU's are made by Andyson. I'm not 100% sure on that but Andyson makes quite a few of Thermaltakes psu's also.

I'm not sure who the "real" manufacturer is - I've been too lazy to pull the PSU out and check

I'm sure it's a quality build, though - the damn thing is stable as a friggin lead-rock.

Hiper PSU's are crap....at least in my experience....I've seen 5 dead rigs by that brand of PSU frying them.....and thats good enough for me not to recommend them to clients wanting a quality build.

I know a few engineers that can't tie their shoes though.....or make toast.

hence my earlier post on Hiper . . . they're hit or miss. I've known quite a few others, aside from myself, who've never had any issues at all . . . but there are also quite a few users out there who have had horrible issues as well (ranging from killing motherboards, to setting their rig on fire).

based on my experience, I can't say I would recommend against them, only that I would inform another user they purchase at their own risk.

 

[{JNT}Raptor]

they're hit or miss.

Not a knock on you at all bro....but thats exactly why I cannot and will not recommend them to any client I build for.......Hit and miss isn't what I'm looking for when I build any level of PC.......PC Power & Cooling/Corsair/Seasonic/Silverstone/Enermax....You'd have to look far and wide to find Instances of these PSU's killing rigs and taking pricey toys with them....I just won't take that chance for my customers sake.

 

[Binge]

Also whats the best O/C for an I7 920 on air so far regardless of mobo and case?

4.0ghz but you may not pass 3.8ghz because of heat protection. @ 80C i7 920 and 940 will throttle BCLK and multi until temps are just touching 80C. Some mobos let you go over that.

 

[BloodTotal]

the TX (the 750W for sure) series from corsair is made by chanwell (or chanelwell, or w/e the name of that company is) which is not so good.

Does anyone know how many amps I need for 3 gtx 295s?, or at least 2 260gtx216core?
The 260 requires 38amps right, so 2 would need 76 right, so then 3 would need 100+, I don't think there are 150amp power supplies

 

[JrRacinFan]

Actually BT, ChannelWell isn't so bad, as long as you don't do full load with them they start to ripple.

2 GTX260's? Do a good brand 750W. And you cant tri SLI GTX295's.

 

[BloodTotal]

ripple can really mess up your system, it screwed my video card fan up (old 8800gt)

the Watts are no problem, but what about the amps? what if your power supply can only supply 62 amps, and 2x260gtx will need 38 each, that comes out to 74, so you are getting 14amps bottleneck?

also TO Power is a good psu manufacturer

 

[eidairaman1]

well lets see

PC Power and Cooling (Now OCZ)
Seasonic
Antec
Enermax
Silverstone

those are ones off the top of my head

 

[KBD]

Imperialreign,

I beleive Kingwin PSU's are made by Andyson. I'm not 100% sure on that but Andyson makes quite a few of Thermaltakes psu's also.

Actually Thermaltake Toughpower are made by Channel Well. Those are actually quite good. Kingwin, i'm not sure about.

 

[kiriakost]

We are confusing our selfs , by mixing technical info and ppl , good or bad .


Every brand with one working product and good after sales service are called : " Good "

Every PSU, that had pass certification and comply to regulations standards , its " Good "

Every PSU , that the label on it as Watts , agree with the delivered power , its " Good "

Thats the theory, from a spherical view.


The detailed view are more complicate.
Lets say that i build one PSU by my self , and like to promote it on the market .
Could some one calculate, what are the possibilities , of something to gets wrong ,
and my final customer be unhappy with me ?

And my list of things to go wrong .
Example 1 ) My electronics parts supplier , gave me bad quality ICs .
My PSU uses 180 good parts , because of the one , i will look as bad one,
to the end user.

Example 2 ) Transport accident .
( Lots recent ppl about newegg and damaged products , and lots RMA)
Justification : Transport accident

Transport accident clarification :
Many parts on the PSU board (horizontal position) , stands up (vertical position ).
One ultra strong vibration , could cause severe damage !!

Example 3 ) Product are good , buyer destroy the device , by dropping it down.
Or the all computer drops down .

Example 4 ) Product are good , electrical network damage , causes death on the device.

Good - bad , lives - dies , better - worst , all this thoughts , are coming from a total ,
of possibilities.

End of examples . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..


Now , technically speaking , the only solid criteria for proper PSU selection,
are the behavior of it, at clean DC - stable DC & if the protections (Over Voltage Protection) ( Over current protection ) are working.

So far the HIPER 4M780 , looks exceptional on this measurements .
Or i would say leading scorer .

BUT , even if it as leader scorer , at computers enthusiasts boards.
Its that picture true ?

No its not , because the amateur enthusiast , who did the review ,
he did not follow a basic rule on electronics , to use the advice of the manufacture,
of how to do a proper measurement with the oscilloscope.
Add 0.1uF and 10uF capacitors across output terminal during ripple & noise test.
http://www.cwt.com.tw/upfiles/layout01197623464.pdf

If some one do that , he will find out , that this HIPER model is even better.


So my tip is , study study study and investigate , so to have a true motive for your next buy, what ever is that .



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[Wile E]

ripple can really mess up your system, it screwed my video card fan up (old 8800gt)

the Watts are no problem, but what about the amps? what if your power supply can only supply 62 amps, and 2x260gtx will need 38 each, that comes out to 74, so you are getting 14amps bottleneck?

also TO Power is a good psu manufacturer

A 260GTX does not draw 38 amps. They recommend a psu with 38A amp on the 12V rail for a single 260 because they are taking into account the rest of the components in the system, and taking into account lower quality psus. The 750W Toughpower will handle a 260GTX SLI setup without breaking a sweat.

And while Channelwell used to be a questionable OEM, they no longer are. Some of the best psus currently on the market are OEMed by Channelwell.

 

[Wile E]

We are confusing our selfs , by mixing technical info and ppl , good or bad .


Every brand with one working product and good after sales service are called : " Good "

Every PSU, that had pass certification and comply to regulations standards , its " Good "

Every PSU , that the label on it as Watts , agree with the delivered power , its " Good "

Thats the theory, from a spherical view.


The detailed view are more complicate.
Lets say that i build one PSU by my self , and like to promote it on the market .
Could some one calculate, what are the possibilities , of something to gets wrong ,
and my final customer be unhappy with me ?

And my list of things to go wrong .
Example 1 ) My electronics parts supplier , gave me bad quality ICs .
My PSU uses 180 good parts , because of the one , i will look as bad one,
to the end user.

Example 2 ) Transport accident .
( Lots recent ppl about newegg and damaged products , and lots RMA)
Justification : Transport accident

Transport accident clarification :
Many parts on the PSU board (horizontal position) , stands up (vertical position ).
One ultra strong vibration , could cause severe damage !!

Example 3 ) Product are good , buyer destroy the device , by dropping it down.
Or the all computer drops down .

Example 4 ) Product are good , electrical network damage , causes death on the device.

Good - bad , lives - dies , better - worst , all this thoughts , are coming from a total ,
of possibilities.

End of examples . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..


Now , technically speaking , the only solid criteria for proper PSU selection,
are the behavior of it, at clean DC - stable DC & if the protections (Over Voltage Protection) ( Over current protection ) are working.

So far the HIPER 4M780 , looks exceptional on this measurements .
Or i would say leading scorer .

BUT , even if it as leader scorer , at computers enthusiasts boards.
Its that picture true ?

No its not , because the amateur enthusiast , who did the review ,
he did not follow a basic rule on electronics , to use the advice of the manufacture,
of how to do a proper measurement with the oscilloscope.
Add 0.1uF and 10uF capacitors across output terminal during ripple & noise test.
http://www.cwt.com.tw/upfiles/layout01197623464.pdf

If some one do that , he will find out , that this HIPER model is even better.


So my tip is , study study study and investigate , so to have a true motive for your next buy, what ever is that .

Adding capacitors to the output terminal will provide inaccurate readings. That's skewing the results in the favor of the psu.

And Jonny Guru is no amateur.

Believe what you want about Hiper, but they are not a high quality brand for the price. There are much better selections on the market at the same price point, so why would anyone settle for a brand that has been known to be unreliable, even if they have miraculously turned that around?

 

[Damian^]

ripple can really mess up your system, it screwed my video card fan up (old 8800gt)

the Watts are no problem, but what about the amps? what if your power supply can only supply 62 amps, and 2x260gtx will need 38 each, that comes out to 74, so you are getting 14amps bottleneck?

also TO Power is a good psu manufacturer

Unless your PSU was majorly crippled, Ripple shouldn't be "too" much of a problem. Most reviews/reviewers always have a slight case of ripple but are often let go since "slight" ripple isn't a problem and usually occurs at full load which is hard to achieve with any kind of set up (depending on the psu) And a hard one to point out as well.

Unless your unit was a generic one then yes ripple can be noticeable and a major flaw even when the PSU is at mid to load.

Just out of curiosity what makes you think Ripple was the cause?

 

[kiriakost]

Adding capacitors to the output terminal will provide inaccurate readings. That's skewing the results in the favor of the psu.

And Jonny Guru is no amateur.

Believe what you want about Hiper, but they are not a high quality brand for the price. There are much better selections on the market at the same price point, so why would anyone settle for a brand that has been known to be unreliable, even if they have miraculously turned that around?

Believe what you want too .

I speak the language of electronics , and you fight back with feelings ?

Any way ... thanks for the dialog .

 

[Wile E]

Believe what you want too .


I speak the language of electronics , and you fight back with feelings ?

Any way ... thanks for the dialog .

No. I'm going by countless pro reviews, and countless reports of psu failure from Hiper owners. You have a good Hiper unit, congratulations, it still doesn't mean Hiper is a good brand.

As far as the capacitor argument, it's just common sense that it will change the actual readings of ripple. In most cases it's going to clean the reading, making them look better than what it really is. I'll take a raw reading of ripple any day.

 

[Damian^]

Both of you are right so quit your arguing
Wile E says words of wisdom by stating there better units than Hiper that are in the same price range. If I had to choose from a certain priced Hiper psu and a corsair priced around the same, I'd definitely go with the Corsair

You are right in terms that Hiper does have "some" good units made of decent parts. And give other units a run for their "quality" but certainly not their money.

But yes I agree with your statement "study study study and investigate"

 

[kiriakost]

No. I'm going by countless pro reviews, and countless reports of psu failure from Hiper owners. You have a good Hiper unit, congratulations, it still doesn't mean Hiper is a good brand.

You over exaggerating , and you know that .

Like them, hate them , i do not care.

I am here to point out good worthy products , brands does not feed me , i feed them.

 

[kiriakost]

Both of you are right so quit your arguing

I am out

If some one cares about a good argument ,
we could do one about the ripoff , of PC Power and Cooling PSUs.

 

[Wile E]

You over exaggerating , and you know that .

Like them, hate them , i do not care.

I am here to point out good worthy products , brands does not feed me , i feed them.

I'm not over exaggerating. I have seen many, MANY reports of failed Hipers.

Besides, how is saying that there are better psus for the money an exaggeration?

 

[kiriakost]

I'm not over exaggerating. I have seen many, MANY reports of failed Hipers.

Besides, how is saying that there are better psus for the money an exaggeration?

Well it depends of were you live .

The price tag in US , its not the same in all the planet .
And keep in mind that the planet are larger than US


By the way , I have seen many, MANY reports of failed Toughpower Series .. so what ?