Who'll be the better president?

[Bigjohn]

i agree the grammar isn't very good at all - however:

"You AGREED with the Barack Obama position on 31 of the 48 test questions. This means you agree with the Obama position 65% of the time"


Is there a similar test i can take for McCain?

I don't know, but I'm looking...

I do love this test, though.

 

[Bigjohn]

Well, their proposed tax increases/decreases are more like the following graphic. It's a clear cut case of vastly different ideologies -- one obviously favoring the rich, the other more progressive in scale:

Eventually -- both are going to raise taxes. Politicians always do. They're just going to raise them on different things and in different ways.

If you're an American here, remember the first George Bush with his quote, "Read my lips -- no new taxes?" Remember what a bunch of crap that was, too?

WOW, looks like OBAMA is in favor of "spreading around the wealth..."

Nothing FAIR about his tax plan at all, unless FAIR means taking something from someone for the benefit of another...

Oh, that BRACKET there is wrong. It does not represent 60% of taxpayers....
60% of return filers, perhaps...but the bottom two brackets don't pay any taxes already...

 

[ckoons1]

OBAMA is ROBIN HOOD

 

[mdm-adph]

The questions are based on Zogby poll and other sources that contain ACTUAL barak votes, etc.
So, the "quiz" is valid, even if the rest of the site is biased.

Sure it is. I'm sure it's a completely unbiased and fair quiz about Obama.

It just happens to be on a site run by a shill.

Give me a break.

OBAMA is ROBIN HOOD

A fair assessment. Though I assure you he's not from England.

 

[ckoons1]

The rich don't deserve to be punished for doing well.

 

[mdm-adph]

WOW, looks like OBAMA is in favor of "spreading around the wealth..."

Nothing FAIR about his tax plan at all, unless FAIR means taking something from someone for the benefit of another...

Oh, that BRACKET there is wrong. It does not represent 60% of taxpayers....
60% of return filers, perhaps...but the bottom two brackets don't pay any taxes already...

The amount of people in these "non-paying tax brackets" keeps getting bigger and bigger every time you mention it. Please provide some proof.

 

[mdm-adph]

The rich don't deserve to be punished for doing well.

Should not the stronger members of a tug-of-war team pull more?

 

[TUngsten]

it's simple one man wants to raise taxes and one doesn't. seems preety easy choice to me.

Talk about uninformed...

 

[DaedalusHelios]

WOW, looks like OBAMA is in favor of "spreading around the wealth..."

Nothing FAIR about his tax plan at all, unless FAIR means taking something from someone for the benefit of another...

Oh, that BRACKET there is wrong. It does not represent 60% of taxpayers....
60% of return filers, perhaps...but the bottom two brackets don't pay any taxes already...

The bottom two do pay taxes. Where do you get this stuff.

 

[Tatty_Two]

According to the liberal media. We judge success of debates in the state-by-state polls in the days after the debate. In those polls, we specifically look for a "bounce." That is, polls after the debate change significantly from before the debate. By that criteria, the first two debates were not "won" by either candidate. We might have results on who "won" the third debate sometime today.



Intellect has little to do with being a great leader. The most intelligent people are recluse. In fact, I'd argue a genius in any form of politics is a bad thing. They read into things too much and have difficulty communicating with the masses. That's why a genius has yet to hold a public office.



Eh? He just stuck to what his advisers told him to do: talk about bush, talk about healthcare, talk about the economy, and if the question isn't on those subjects, spin the conversation to them.



Well, no. Obviously he didn't proclaim he's gay or something that would have a large impact. The thing he said with the most impact is that he would issue a spending freeze on the federal government in order to work towards balancing the budget. He also proposed buying up mortgages and renegotiating them at the second debate. Both had a rather tremendous impact because they were both new ideas.



They never attacked him personally (at least the McCain campaign didn't). What they did do is question some rather dark affiliations like Ayres and ACORN. I'm glad McCain brought up Ayres in that last debate and Obama effectively ended it. I was sick of hearing about it anyway so I'm glad that one is done for. There is still a lot of questions about Obama's connections to ACORN though.

Firstly....no not according to "liberal Media" I am basing that on the UK press, both conservative right, middle and left.

We beg to differ, intellect plays a big part in leadership (you mentioned "genius", not I, the two do not always go hand in hand), by no means the only part, you can add to that many things like common sense, carisma, conviction etc etc, qualities that have not in the 3 head to heads I have seen exactly been oozing out of McCain....thats why shall we say there have been what some might perceive as an 8 year mess up your street.

Again I agree about the "dark affiliations" but come on, of course they are personal attacks and would not be used or needed if he was not so far behind in the polls, he appears to be running scared is all I am saying and my perception, rightly or wrongly is that he at times is acting like a rabbit in headlights........as I said earlier, I really dont care who gets in, from what I have seen (which aint much), Obama is a way ahead for me, seems like most Americans feel the same at the moment, wether they do in a couple of weeks time may be a different story though.
I agree about the advisor thing and the briefs etc, the same applies to both candidates here, however, it's the guy that can best manage the difficult responses that no end of briefings can fully prepare you for, one of the two stands out here, I leave you to be un-biased and decide who that is

 

[Tatty_Two]

WOW, looks like OBAMA is in favor of "spreading around the wealth..."

Nothing FAIR about his tax plan at all, unless FAIR means taking something from someone for the benefit of another...

Oh, that BRACKET there is wrong. It does not represent 60% of taxpayers....
60% of return filers, perhaps...but the bottom two brackets don't pay any taxes already...

You never heard of Robin Hood? he was a hero, he robbed the rich to pay the poor, worked then in the popularity stakes, might just do the same here.

 

[mdm-adph]

You never heard of Robin Hood? he was a hero, he robbed the rich to pay the poor, worked then in the popularity stakes, might just do the same here.

It doesn't if the peasants idolize the rich, which pretty much describes America.

And Tatty, I got one for you, too (from an earlier discussion):

 

[Bigjohn]

OBAMA is ROBIN HOOD

No, robinhood stole from the government, a government that taxed people into poverty...

 

[mdm-adph]

No, robinhood stole from the government, a government that taxed people into poverty...

...a government run by the ultra-wealthy upper-class (called "nobility"). You forgot that part. Don't think they had elections back then.

 

[Bigjohn]

The amount of people in these "non-paying tax brackets" keeps getting bigger and bigger every time you mention it. Please provide some proof.

Not going to repost it. Already did.

 

[mdm-adph]

Not going to repost it. Already did.

I understand if you don't want to go find your "source," of course.

And that's a funny picture you found! Ooh -- want to play the picture game with me? Try this one on for size (obviously, it's Obama who's an "elitist," right?):

[SOURCE]

 

[magibeg]

http://www.barackobamatest.com/?fuseaction=home.options

You might be farther from his position than you think....
Read the questions carefully - some of them are not phrased in the most clear way.

Many of those questions definitely have a negative slant to them or don't allow you to select appropriate answers for the questions.

I was still 73% for Obama though.

 

[Bigjohn]

I understand if you don't want to go find your "source," of course.

And that's a funny picture you found! Ooh -- want to play the picture game with me? Try this one on for size (obviously, it's Obama who's an "elitist," right?):

[SOURCE]

Nice..
I want to be like John and Cindy some day... and if I work hard, Barak will punish my success and make it all that much harder for me to climb the ladder of success...

 

[WhiteLotus]

Remember people, when it comes to taxation it is the job of the Governement to make sure that the spread of wealth is equal to every one.

This is called a Lorenz Curve,

the straighter the "curve" the more equal the distribution of wealth.

This is done by taxing the rich and giving benefits to the poor. i.e. decreasing the upper 25% of by taxation and then giving benefits to the lower 25% does this.

As i see it now (if the graphic that was posted above is correct) Obama is trying to do this.

There are advantages and disadvantages by doing this though,

advan) the poorer 25% should now have more dispossable income - therefore GDP should now rise

disadvan) the richer might say "sod this, i'm moving to x country where they wont tax me"

so yea there are good things and bad things by doing such things but the general "net gain" is that GDP increases.



A little knowledge in Economics goes a long way.

 

[WhiteLotus]

I don't know, but I'm looking...

I do love this test, though.

 

[mdm-adph]

You never heard of Robin Hood? he was a hero, he robbed the rich to pay the poor, worked then in the popularity stakes, might just do the same here.

It doesn't if the peasants idolize the rich, which pretty much describes America.

Nice..
I want to be like John and Cindy some day... and if I work hard, Barak will punish my success and make it all that much harder for me to climb the ladder of success...

See what I meant, Tatty? :shadedshu

 

[Evo85]

This has to be the longest thread I have seen on TPU in my time browsing these forums..

 

[farlex85]

Nice..
I want to be like John and Cindy some day... and if I work hard, Barak will punish my success and make it all that much harder for me to climb the ladder of success...

Is that how you interpreted that? Success= an outrageous amount of vehicles that you could never really utilize? :shadedshu

 

[ckoons1]

i have a friend who is rich and has had to pay a MILLION dollars in taxes one year and to think he should pay more is absurd. this man got there from working harder then most of us can even imagine working.

 

[mdm-adph]

i have a friend who is rich and has had to pay a MILLION dollars in taxes one year and to think he should pay more is absurd. this man got there from working harder then most of us can even imagine working.

I don't think your "friend" pays anywhere near that much, and I challenge you to prove otherwise. Feel free to email me his tax returns.