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Windows 8.1, and Why You Should Let Go of Windows 7

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. neliz

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    You'd pick the Win 7 group, because those are the guys that save you money with every task. :) They are the guys that want a streamlined interface, an interface that offers everything for power users and the basic newbs.

    I know Change is the biggest problem with people when you're implementing a new system, but if, after a year, people are still complaining, the " change" probably isn't the problem and you should really look at why the hell you pushed that new system in the first place.

    Yay, I bought a new OS, I need to buy extra software to get functionality back that the Old OS had and the new system lacks in intuitiveness, flexibility and control. Oh yeah, the users are the problem ;)

    That's the experience of a real IT guy :)

    M$ had to learn with Millenium as well, they had a superb OS with Windows NT already.
    I ran NT 4 in dual-boot with Win95 and loved it a lot, except it was lacking in DirectX support. Microsoft actually had a very, very good OS with NT 5 and although they did skip some things in 2000, it wasn't bad at all.
     
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    Irrespective of whether Windows 8 improves or hampers productivity, I get the impression here that there a lot of the computer users who have everything arranged very specifically in their current operating system and would take issue with any change in their workflow, even if it would have no effect on productivity after he or she got used to it. This is really the same as the Mac OS vs Windows argument; experienced users of each OS can do the same things in the same amount of time (games being the only real exception) but the methods to complete tasks are different and are largely not transferable. This makes any users who try to switch complain the alternative is not intuitive when in reality they are approaching the new OS with preconceptions that cloud their experience.

    As far as my experience with Windows 8, I am very happy due to the minor tweaks added (improved copy dialog, Hyper-V, improved task manager, multiple desktop taskbars ala UltraMon) and the increased focus on search (for example the new Start menu).

    Whether people like it or not, search is the future and folder tree structures are the past. We are getting to the point where computers will manage everything in our lives, and that means there will an ever increasing number of applications and files on them. Folder trees just become inefficient after a certain number of objects are stored, and the new Start menu is just another transition to a search-based UI. When you think of a keyboard as a mouse with a hundred buttons, you begin to realize the power of using the keyboard to search rather than the two button mouse to point and click a folder tree.
     
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    What exactly was broken in start bar search in Vista&7?
     
  4. MxPhenom 216

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    Not at all. I think a lot of people are forgetting where Microsoft is going with this. They are looking for the new best GUI and OS that can be seamlessly streamlined and integrated along all their devices. (Phones, tablets, desktops) This is something Apple has been doing for the last few years, and Microsoft is following. Makes the end users experience much easier.

    Now obviously its a bit of an abrupt change on desktop, since obviously we still use mouse and keyboard, but it is a start to the new future of Microsoft products, and its not going to change. It'll keep progressing and hardware and the way we use our devices will adapt. Right now we all have a choice, either to use Windows 8, or 7. I don't care what people use, but most of the time I see BS about it, and arguing about which is better, people are missing the point.

    I don't recall him saying it was broken. Windows 8 expands on the search function from Vista and 7, while also making it a bit more intuitive.
     
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    Except Apple's desktop OS looks and acts nothing like the OS on their phones and tablets. Apple is smart enough to realize that a GUI that works on a phone and tablet doesn't translate to the desktop.
     
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    For now, that's true. But it's also clear that Apple is moving the same direction as Microsoft. It's inevitable that Apple's two operating systems will merge in the future.
     
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    How people can still argue if the removal (yes it was a removal) of the start menu is a good or bad thing the mind simply boggles. To a extent (I'm unsure of how far MS will go), MS have totally backtracked and am themselves putting the start menu back in with Windows 8.1, so there is your answer people, the gay teletubby-like tiles of the start screen are a horrifically bad idea for non-touchscreen users. Its not a case of people unable to adapt if after a year or more people are still complaining about it - it means the start screen was a poorly thought out, poorly designed, poorly implemented new addition. If the start screen had functioned more like the start menu (much smaller tiles, thus you can see a lot more on one screen) I doubt too many people would of had a huge issue with it - this was not the case though. I've always said as far as touchscreen devices go W8 isn't bad but as far as ANY non-touchscreen device goes W8 is a abomination. All of these problems could of been solved in one easy step; offer 2 options during W8 setup which could of been described as so;

    User Interface Options:

    Metro UI - Recommended for touchscreen devices
    Windows 7 UI - Recommended for non-touchscreen devices.

    See how easy that was? All I can say is thank god for Classic Shell :D
     
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    I don't see OSX UI moving towards the iOS UI at all. I seem them integrating features and apps from iOS, but I don't see the UI moving towards the iOS look and feel. The UI is remaining pretty much the same really, looking at 10.9 it is very difficult to tell the difference from Mountain Lion. And I don't see them ditching the dock in favor of pages full of app icons, I don't even see a hint of that.
     
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    To be objective and fair, there are certain areas which are worth to mention, where Win8 indeed offers improvements over win7. For example, it boots faster, and yes it doesn't really matter in the morning if takes 10 or only 7 seconds to get to the desktop, but it's still faster which is good. Another example could be a new feature in DX11.2 called "Frame buffer scaling" (also mostly thanks to Carmack iirc) which is basically dynamic resolution changing on the fly to maintain a certain FPS. This feature could (and probably will) help casual gamers with medium/low end hardware to get a better experience out of their systems (even if it will be one of the things I will definitely and immediately disable in the drivers as soon as will get there).
     
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    Yes, but also to be fair, the game is going to have to support DX11.2 and the likelyhood of that is slim to none. DX11.1 has been out for almost a year and a total of 1 game uses it. DX11.2 isn't going to be any different because Microsoft is making DX11.2 Windows 8.1 only. And since the overwhelming majority of users still run Win7, and more people use OSX than use Win8, game developers aren't going to be willing to put the time into coding for DX11.2 and DX11. In fact that time would be much better spent working on running the game in OpenGL, since that would open up the game to run on OSX and Linux, and since they are probably going to have to port the game to OpenGL anyway to run it on the PS4. So they can either spend the time and money to support DX11.2, which doesn't actually add any new potential customers, or they can support OpenGL which adds PS4 users, OSX users, and Linus users as potential customers.
     
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    i tried Classicshell but with no way to disable the original Windows 8.1 start button it will just be in the background and that looks ugly, if i may say so, or did i miss something about hidding or disable start button?
     
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    When I installed ClassicShell on 8.1 the original start button disappeared, I didn't have to do anything special.
     
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    not to be mean newtekie1 but mine didn't i can still see it through the blue squares here lookie:

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    i tried with an old version i had from ninite and ClassicShellSetup_3_6_7.exe i downloaded yesterday or 2days ago...
     

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    The ONLY thing I like about Win 8 is the status display when you are copying files. Is really good info when copying large amount of files from external drives for example. Love that. But that's about it. Anyone know about some 3rd party program that does the same thing in Win 7? I would love that.
     
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    that i agree with and the Task Manager i luv that one soo much more information then Windows 7 ^^;
     
  16. tigger

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    I know you can put the 8 task manager on 7, dunno about the file transfer thing though.
     

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    nice, but i was hoping to get this:

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    not just this:

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    and clicking on "More Details" button just opens the original windows 7 task manager :(
     
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    I'm actually quite happy with Windows 8. I am just a general user though so I can't say the same for everyone since my PC is just for media and games. Work-wise we're still unable to use it at our PC retail store since we use old MYOB software for our POS and can't get the damn thing to work in Win 8.

    I don't see the big deal about the start menu since all you need to do to find the things you want is press the windows key button and start typing for what you're after which I still find alot quicker than navigating through the old start menu. And moving on was really painless, I literally only needed to put in the CD and click install and my OS turned into Windows 8 from 7 after a few mins wait with all my settings and games still in-tact, even my icons still had the same arrangements.

    So for me personally I'm glad I let go of 7 and working as a technician in a PC store, it's also made my life alot easier building/repairing PC's since all the drivers for the motherboard are already installed with the OS apart from some really high-end gaming PCs and the Windows 8 Refresh does a great job in getting rid of OS corruptions while keeping all your data in tact.
     
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    WTMF IS THIS SHIT?

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    A fucking advertisement? That shit aggravates the shit out of me. If I wanted something from that restaurant, I'd go there. I don't want to see a fucking commercial trying to sell me something. It's bad enough I get that shit every fucking place I go and every web site I visit, now my computer it's self has them? Yeah, I'm about ready to put the 7 disk back in the drive and reboot.
     
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    Well you are using a Bing Weather app for free o_O....
     
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    Try TeraCopy. It help me a lot when transferring files from drive to drive. http://codesector.com/downloads
     
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    not true if I buy 8.1. If I was to buy 8.1, and Microshaft (been a while since I used that term) includes that app with the OS, then I'm paying for that app in the cost of the OS IMHO. I feel I should not have to deal with commercals embedded in the OS.
     
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    Perhaps, but I see Microsoft trying to become Apple.

    If I want Apple, I will buy and use Apple, not Microsoft's version of Apple.

    Sad days, sad days indeed.
     
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    And how is that a good thing? There are many, many people, including myself who install many programs. There are always a few you don't use for awhile, but filed away in your mind you know what it does. Then comes the day you need it....but you can't remember the name of it. As we hit our mid 40s, it's not uncommon to not have as good a memory (and what about senior citizens? They are downright out of luck trying to find that program name they can't remember!). Fear not, folder tree view in Start Menu to the rescue!.....in W7 and below!!

    Please tell me how a keyboard search function is going to help me find something I cannot remember the name of? How does that save me time? How does that make me enjoy my windows experience? With a start menu in a couple clicks I have actually found the program listing and my memory is jogged, allowing me to continue the task quickly I was about to embark on.
     
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    I'll just post this:

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