XBOX 360 vs PS3

[Wile E]

I think most people bought the wii as a "mantel piece" i know tons of people old and young who don't even touch it,and when they do its for a short period of time, this was done in a study by game informer. It sits there and collects dust, i prefer using the remote as an NES controller vs the motion sensor. The Gems for me on the wii are, Mario Kart,MadWorld,House of the dead O.K, Super Smash Bro's Brawl, and Re4.thats really the only games i like and play on it but i use it mainly for emulation cause it's a great emulation machine.

I like it for Mario Kart, Excite Truck and emulators. My kids use it for Rock Band and Guitar Hero. That about covers it tho. lol.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I think most people bought the wii as a "mantel piece" i know tons of people old and young who don't even touch it,and when they do its for a short period of time, this was done in a study by game informer. It sits there and collects dust, i prefer using the remote as an NES controller vs the motion sensor. The Gems for me on the wii are, Mario Kart,MadWorld,House of the dead O.K, Super Smash Bro's Brawl, and Re4.thats really the only games i like and play on it but i use it mainly for emulation cause it's a great emulation machine.

Well then most people bought the PS3 for a blue-ray player and the 360 because they love Halo marketing then.

Studies by a game magazine thats sponsored by advertisements mean nothing to me. I have two young daughters. All of their friends ether have a Wii or want a Wii. Never heard a 4 year old scream they want a PS3 and my father who's a 60+ year old ex drill sergeant out of Vietnam loves the damn thing. These two things show me a lot more than a gaming rag.

I like it for Mario Kart, Excite Truck and emulators. My kids use it for Rock Band and Guitar Hero. That about covers it tho. lol.

You gotta get the Metroid Trilogy. Three games for the price of one and man they are AWESOME!

 

[joinmeindeath417]

so between un-bias and bias what do you rate what you say than? because if you don't go by information provided in studies by magazines or websites or any type of "statistic" site than you clearly go solely on opinion?

I mean it's cool to think that because your family likes it and the 4 year old's do also means its a great system, but at the same standpoint i can say the same about the 360 and ps3? Also, yes i will admit part of me buying a PS3 was mainly blu-ray but after getting it i thought why not get some exclusives and now i like it as a console.

I do have a couple questions about the "outselling".

Do you think it could be cause the wii was only 250$ and was labled a "next gen" console at launch? So consumers thought they were getting "better graphics than last gen". I have all 3 so it's really not about Eyecandy, actually it's about what matters the games. and concidering the wii averages about a 5-6 out of 10 for most game reviews (mainly cause its like 80% mini game's) but only the gems actually score higher than a 7. Nintendo admitted that when they made the wii they were aiming at the "casual" gaming market, young kids and older adults, the middle ground is for people who want a 360 or ps3, so i agree there, but the best way i can put it is playing Call of Duty :WAW on the 360 vs the Wii, is really like night and day. In the end its the same saying for any debate like this "to each there own"

But yea, i tend to go by website statistics because well that's what people trust. Like the 54% failure rate 360 article, everyone saying "that's bullshit" but when microshaft was confronted about it they just reiterated the fact that they have a 3 year warranty for that reason, and nothing on whether or not the statistics were right or wrong.

EDIT: and when i say "that's what people trust" i mean because whenever you point out a article they always want proof with links.

 

[TheMailMan78]

so between un-bias and bias what do you rate what you say than? because if you don't go by information provided in studies by magazines or websites or any type of "statistic" site than you clearly go solely on opinion?

I mean it's cool to think that because your family likes it and the 4 year old's do also means its a great system, but at the same standpoint i can say the same about the 360 and ps3? Also, yes i will admit part of me buying a PS3 was mainly blu-ray but after getting it i thought why not get some exclusives and now i like it as a console.

I do have a couple questions about the "outselling".

Do you think it could be cause the wii was only 250$ and was labled a "next gen" console at launch? So consumers thought they were getting "better graphics than last gen". I have all 3 so it's really not about Eyecandy, actually it's about what matters the games. and concidering the wii averages about a 5-6 out of 10 for most game reviews (mainly cause its like 80% mini game's) but only the gems actually score higher than a 7. Nintendo admitted that when they made the wii they were aiming at the "casual" gaming market, young kids and older adults, the middle ground is for people who want a 360 or ps3, so i agree there, but the best way i can put it is playing Call of Duty :WAW on the 360 vs the Wii, is really like night and day. In the end its the same saying for any debate like this "to each there own"

But yea, i tend to go by website statistics because well that's what people trust. Like the 54% failure rate 360 article, everyone saying "that's bullshit" but when microshaft was confronted about it they just reiterated the fact that they have a 3 year warranty for that reason, and nothing on whether or not the statistics were right or wrong.

I'm about as un-bias towards console makers as you can get. I treat them like politicians. They all make claims that they can never backup. They always have. Its one of the main reasons I jumped to PCs after years of owning consoles. Lets just say I hate them all equally.

I think the Wii sold for a few reasons.

1. Its Nintendo. Trusted name for over 20+ years and a Japan hometown hero.

2. It truly is "Next-Gen". Far more than the 360 and PS3. Why? Because it did something the other two never even thought of. Want proof? Ask yourself why the 360 ripped off the "Mii"s and why Sony is working on a motion controller. You don't need pretty graphics to be next generation. You have to bring something new to the table.

3. Word of mouth. Nintendo hardly marketed the Wii. People bought it because they found it fun and told other people about it. Say what you will about the system and post whatever studies you want but the sale numbers don't lie. Nintendo hit a sweet spot with the Wii and the next "Next Gen" you see from MS and Sony will be rip-offs. Mark my words.

Moving on I feel word of mouth is far more reliable than anything sponsored. Forums, friends, co-workers. I mean do you think Nintendo Power can be unbiased?
When I want mindless fun I crank up my Wii (get your mind out of the gutter) but when I want to get serious I go PC. Why? Because the PC is everything the 360 and PS3 want to be and the Wii is everything they should be. Does my opinion make more sense now?

 

[joinmeindeath417]

i Do agree on a few point's especially the motion sensor stuff, i do give that to you, nintendo ran home with it, and it was a selling point, i think sony and microsoft shouldn't make a copy of what the wii can do they concider it "better"

I think it is broken down into 3 catigories

Nintendo is in its own category as at this point it has not "competition" in it's eyes its going for the exact opposite market of 360 and ps3, like it was said the wii was aimed towards casual gamers, young and older audiences. The 360 and ps3 are the hardcore console gamers nab.

Sony and Microsoft are the hardcore console gamer that plays games a lot and plays online more than offline.

and PC gamers

I think that the wii is great for a few things, parties, friends, and old school gaming,

i think the 360 and ps3 are good for hardcore gaming and playing online

i think the pc is good for people who like eye candy and customizable options.

I USE to be a pc gamer i stopped, i did what you did but opposite cause when "eye candy" and the keyboard and mouse stuff was just bleh to me i turned to consoles, after getting use to the controller im good at it, but i was always better with a mouse and keyboard.

and honestly for 300 dollars the graphics the system's puts out and with blu ray etc, its a pretty good bargain.

you have made your point's vaild but i still think most of them are bias, you say you don't go by statistics but your going by sale numbers which is statistics, look at game sale statistics the only games that really sell well on the wii are, well Nintendo games.
By bias i mean that your basing any factual information on one thing, number of console sales, which anyone will tell you is only a small portion of what counts. you're basically saying the wii is the only next gen console cause of motion controllers but graphics shouldn't matter because it's nothing new just shiner, which is a valid point of an opinion but statistically i don't think that would matter. At wii's price point it was going to sell like hot cakes and it did just that, so i commend Nintendo for that, but would i like to see some stellar games with the motion control sure. so here's to the Wii HD.

i guess its more so cause im not into the motion control thing and think that if your going to snow board go and do it, if your going to play tennis fuckin do it, and if your going to jog just go outside and do it. To me there is a fine line between videogames and reality, and putting this whole spin on using your body as a controller and crap is pushing it in my eyes. But from what you stated i guess if you look at it that way your right. i just look at it as a gamecube with motion controls.

One thing that Nintendo did great that was funny now that you look at it, as "versitiale" as its controller(s) is/are, you have to spend indivitual money to get the full features out of them, you dish out an easy 90 dollars for a controller now (remote, 40$,Nun chuck, 20$,and the "new" motion sensor thing is another 30 dollars.) and that's not including the classic controller which is awesome by the way.

so anyway back on topic, if you HAD TO CHOOSE one console be it the 360 or the PS3, go for the ps3 hands down better bang for your buck,

i'd still wait until the game comes out to see the reviews before shelling out 300 dollars for one game


i am playing Marvel Vs. Capcom 2, man this game was one of my favorites back in the day.

 

[CDdude55]

Ya know both joinmeindeath417 and CDude55 think current generation consoles are going to last. Well they may because they are "cheaper" than a PC. However when DX11 games made for the PC only start appearing you'll see people wondering why their console can't render it. Ive been a gamer for close to 30 years. Started playing when I was 2 years old and one thing thats always happen is the console market falls behind the PC. When that happens you start to lose retail and a new console is born. The only way they have ever countered this is via price cut. Sound familiar? Yeah I say 2 maybe 3 years tops and thats only if the Wii stays with its current version. If Nintendo goes crazy and paper releases a Wii 2 before that you'll see a rapid development cycle from both Sony and MS.

There are just to many factors against the "Next Gen" consoles right now for them to last. The days of the NES are over.

With the announcement of the 10 year life cycles and the things like ''Natal'' and sonys motion control and the newly released Slim model, its highly unlikely and new system will be announced any time soon. Theres to many things on there current plate that needs to get done. I seriously don't think they seen DX11 as a threat, as i said before, todays generation of systems already look fantastic. It would be pointless to dismiss this generation of consoles over a new DX release.

 

[CDdude55]

Where the user placed it shouldn't be an issue. It should just work, whether they put it in a cabinet or not. If it dies from being in a cabinet, it wasn't design properly to begin with. And modded consoles don't play into the statistics. The statistics are based on warranty returns. Modded consoles have no warranty.

As the hardware in the system gets better and better, you need to think of things like that. If the console ex-spells alot of hot air, its common sense to give it space.(this isn't the days of the N64 and NES anymore, these new systems push out alot of heat and need to intake cool air)

 

[joinmeindeath417]

As the hardware in the system gets better and better, you need to think of things like that. If the console ex-spells alot of hot air, its common sense to give it space.(this isn't the days of the N64 and NES anymore, these new systems push out alot of heat and need to intake cool air)

exactly, and because of the way the 360 was designed it fails horribly in that category, that's like asking someone who has both systems that had a 360 RRoD, for instance i have both, and at one time they were BOTH in a cabinet and i had my 360 RRoD, and my PS3 is still alive and well? does it make a difference? no because sony designed the console in a good way, and Microshaft did not, i'll tell you one thing i love my 360 and i love my library of games, but if this one dies (its a jasper core) im done with M$ all together. I am not getting a 5th xbox 360, that would basically mean a new one every year...

 

[1Kurgan1]

2. It truly is "Next-Gen". Far more than the 360 and PS3. Why? Because it did something the other two never even thought of. Want proof? Ask yourself why the 360 ripped off the "Mii"s and why Sony is working on a motion controller. You don't need pretty graphics to be next generation. You have to bring something new to the table.

A motion controller is not a "next gen" thing. The PS3 maybe working on something more, but their controller since launch have had the option to allow you to tilt in a lot of games vs using joysticks/dpad. They would be just taking it a step farther, and personally I hope it doesn't go there. Most people I know game to relax, if I want excersize I'll go out and do it. If I have to start actually working out to play games, I most likely will stop playing them.

3. Word of mouth. Nintendo hardly marketed the Wii. People bought it because they found it fun and told other people about it. Say what you will about the system and post whatever studies you want but the sale numbers don't lie. Nintendo hit a sweet spot with the Wii and the next "Next Gen" you see from MS and Sony will be rip-offs. Mark my words.

I do feel Nintendo did do a good job by using little marketing and selling a lot of consoles. But most of the people I know who bought one bought them for their kids. And you don't need to do a ton of marketing when your price is $150 - $200 lower and you pretty much claim it as the casual family console. I think it's awesome they went for something different, but it isn't a big surprise they sold a lot. And they also make it seem worse than it is. They still seem to only ship like 3 consoles to each store at a time. So when you go there they told you they are all sold out and you think "damn these are selling like hotcakes", when in reality they just ship so few of numbers to make it seem that way.

Moving on I feel word of mouth is far more reliable than anything sponsored. Forums, friends, co-workers. I mean do you think Nintendo Power can be unbiased?

I do agree, word of mouth is a very good thing to go off. And in this case it is right, for people who are not gamers. Thats who the Wii is targeted at. It has an easy to use fun controller, these people never sat down to game because it was too complicating or too violent. These people don't care about sitting down to relax like me or others here as they relax in other methods. So these become excersize equipment, or mild entertainment. So when you hear from children or your dad, these just aren't gamers, and Nintendo did a great job going for that market, Sony and Microsoft didn't so it's no surprise you can't talk to your dad about PS#, 360, or even a PC game.

 

[KainXS]

well if it has the same old crappy xclamps and its a jasper then it might still fail,

if microsoft made the disk drive a little longer so that the out of the 4 bases for the drive one of them was not directly ontop of the gpu heatsink, then alot of the rrods we have today could have been avoided, with mine, thats what I figured out was causing it to overheat, the disc drive vibrates and the xclamps get loose and while standing up it would cause the heatsink to tip and not contact the gpu anymore and the 360 shows purple and fails.

whose fault its that, I don't think its mine do you, theres no dust no nothing in it, I blame microsoft being greedy and not spending like an extra dollar for some better xclamps for most of this rroding and people being stupid for a little too because some RROD are just the psu not in all the way, but mine is xclamp modded now.

ps3's also die, I know people who have had the death light on ps3 too though, but with the ps3 its isolated because it has a decent design at least, so I got to agree with ya there joinmeindeath

 

[joinmeindeath417]

Honestly though about the PSU being the cause of RRoD, it's never been for me it's always been the "solder".

and about "playing games with your body etc."

NEWS FLASH for those who don't know

i was playing baseball with out a controller on a console long before the wii came out.

it was the eyetoy for PS2, so technically sony started it, and Nintendo ran with it.

Microsoft is just doing what they always did best take other peoples ideas and make it there own, they have done that since bill gates created Microsoft, it'll never stop

 

[newtekie1]

it was the eyetoy for PS2, so technically sony started it, and Nintendo ran with it.

Ever heard of the PowerGlove?

 

[joinmeindeath417]

yea, do we concider that with the fact that it worked like 2% of the time? but your right i guess nitendo failed with it first.

 

[HookeyStreet]

This is a subject that has no winners and no right or wrong answer. A bit like saying, whos best, Intel or AMD....all it does is start a war

I honestly think as far as games consoles go, both are great systems. I personally prefer the 360, but it doesnt mean I wont be loving my PS3 when I get it this week

I think it comes down to the 'exclusive' titles on each console. MS have Halo & GoW etc, whereas Sony has Resistance & Killzone 2 etc.....its been said before, but in an ideal world, you would own both.

Maybe instead of buying 1 console new, the TS could find both consoles 2nd hand

 

[DaveK]

In my opinion, if you just want Blu-ray fuck the PS3 and get a cheaper stand-alone player for 2/3 the price. If you want to play games, get a 360. More people to play online, more of your friends probably have one, pretty much the same games except a few exclusives, it gets exclusive DLC or timed exclusive DLC. Graphics don't make a game so don't listen to the "But PS3 has better GFX"

360 failing is not really a reason to not get one, shops exchange it there and then if it's under their 1 year warranty and MS do it the following 2 years.

Anyone I know who has a console has the 360, if they have both their PS3 is their second choice and play it the least.

As for buying off eBay, don't. Just buy it new.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Ever heard of the PowerGlove?

Ya beat me to the punch

 

[HookeyStreet]

"But PS3 has better GFX"

Yeah, that is a bit of a 'myth' because those of use that know a bit about graphics cards know that out of the 2 cards each consoles GPU is based on, the 360 is better, not by much, but still better

 

[TheMailMan78]

Yeah, that is a bit of a 'myth' because those of use that know a bit about graphics cards know that out of the 2 cards each consoles GPU is based on, the 360 is better, not by much, but still better

Yeah a watered down 2900

 

[joinmeindeath417]

In my opinion, if you just want Blu-ray fuck the PS3 and get a cheaper stand-alone player for 2/3 the price. If you want to play games, get a 360. More people to play online, more of your friends probably have one, pretty much the same games except a few exclusives, it gets exclusive DLC or timed exclusive DLC. Graphics don't make a game so don't listen to the "But PS3 has better GFX"

360 failing is not really a reason to not get one, shops exchange it there and then if it's under their 1 year warranty and MS do it the following 2 years.

Anyone I know who has a console has the 360, if they have both their PS3 is their second choice and play it the least.

As for buying off eBay, don't. Just buy it new.

Wow if you could sound anymore like a fanboy hahaha

Sooooo get a 360 because you have more friends with it? what if he has no friends that play console games? so spend MORE money on getting a 360 and stand alone blu ray player and if its 2/3rd the cost it's probably a shitty player. ?

and um? what store lets you take it back with in a years time id love to know UNLESS your talking about buying an EXTENDED warranty (more money) for a extra year

MOST places only allow 30 days to 90 days to exchange it without warranty and the only store that does 90 that i know is walmart.

what you just said is what ever 360 fanboy says

"get a 360 cause xbox live is better"

but it also cost more money, so yeah listen to DaveK get a 360 cause it'll cost you more money in the long run...seriously :shadedshu

Once again, this guy is a pc gamer. HE probably only wants this system for that ONE game, but considering that the exclusives that the 360 have are not always "exclusive" cause some of the games come out on PC also, which he'd probably get the PC counter part,

Go with the PS3 man, for the same price you just get more, blu ray, built in wireless, better media server, a lot more actual exclusives, upgradeable hard drive.

At this point its just me repeating myself and anyone else who's said it.

Get a 360 if you do not game on a pc because chances are if the game is really worth anything Microsoft will release it on the PC to make more money.

EDIT: to simplify what i am saying,

If the OP want's a console just for NHL 2010, than i'd go with the ps3, for the same price you get the same features and more?
Unless you want the 199.99 arcade console, which i think is not worth it. but hey thats just me

 

[joinmeindeath417]

Ya beat me to the punch

http://blog.redbutton.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/powerglove.jpg

This statement is true because you have to be a rocket scientist to get the damn thing to work right.

oh man

 

[TheMailMan78]

One thing that Nintendo did great that was funny now that you look at it, as "versitiale" as its controller(s) is/are, you have to spend indivitual money to get the full features out of them, you dish out an easy 90 dollars for a controller now (remote, 40$,Nun chuck, 20$,and the "new" motion sensor thing is another 30 dollars.) and that's not including the classic controller which is awesome by the way.

Nevermind the fact you can get another Wii game with the controller for the same price as a 360 controller by itself. Or the fact for every 5 Wii games you buy the money you save gets you another Wii game for free. 49.95 vs 59.95 for games is the base of that argument.

so anyway back on topic, if you HAD TO CHOOSE one console be it the 360 or the PS3, go for the ps3 hands down better bang for your buck,

i'd still wait until the game comes out to see the reviews before shelling out 300 dollars for one game


i am playing Marvel Vs. Capcom 2, man this game was one of my favorites back in the day.

NOW the PS3 is the best bang for the buck. Before it was just an over priced underpowered computer. Drop it another 50 and Ill buy one.....maybe. FYI Marvel Super Heros was FAR better than Marvel Vs. Capcom. Anyway I'm jealous of you on that one

 

[HookeyStreet]

Yeah a watered down 2900

Yep and the PS3's GPU is like a 7900GT

 

[joinmeindeath417]

yes i'd agree 3 weeks ago if he was just getting it to play one game than i'd say the 360 because it's not worth 400 dollars for a console to play one game, but now that they are the same price it'd be worth it.

And about the controller, yea if you buy Wii Play you get a controller with it, but i still don't think thats worth it especially the fact that wii sports is way better than wii play, i do like that the zapper came with a game, see thats cool because your paying that extra 20 dollars for the attachment and they gave you a zelda game, granted it was like a OMG awesome game it was still free with the zapper.

Still with a basic 90 dollar price tag for a "full featured controller" i think that was a smart move on Nintendo, aggrivating but smart, i mean i wont lie i bought 4 wii remotes and 4 nunchucks and 2 classic controllers but that's cause well it made sense you need them to all to have the most fun out of the wii.

You can get a used ps3 for 229.99 (40gb) at gamestop

yeah i like Marvel Super Heros, but considering i just picked up Marvel Vs Capcom 2 for ps3, widescreen support and 1080p it felt like i was playing my dreamcast again :*(

 

[KainXS]

Yeah a watered down 2900

not really, its more like the beta version to the entire HD2K series but spec wise its not close to a HD2900

it more like a X1950 rigged to be unified with less rops

ps3's gpu is more similar to the 7800 in performance i guess

 

[1Kurgan1]

In my opinion, if you just want Blu-ray fuck the PS3 and get a cheaper stand-alone player for 2/3 the price. If you want to play games, get a 360. More people to play online, more of your friends probably have one, pretty much the same games except a few exclusives, it gets exclusive DLC or timed exclusive DLC. Graphics don't make a game so don't listen to the "But PS3 has better GFX"

360 failing is not really a reason to not get one, shops exchange it there and then if it's under their 1 year warranty and MS do it the following 2 years.

Anyone I know who has a console has the 360, if they have both their PS3 is their second choice and play it the least.

As for buying off eBay, don't. Just buy it new.

He obviously doesn't want a PS3 just for the Blu-Ray player, so paying 2/3 the price for one would make no sense when he could pay 1/3 more and get a great gaming console. I do agree that getting what your friends play online with is a decision helper, but wouldn't assume that he knows more 360 people, I personally know mostly people with PS3's only, and 2 that got their 360 first, but now have a PS3. Although only 2 of us PS3 owners (the ones who bought PS3 first) have a 360.

NOW the PS3 is the best bang for the buck. Before it was just an over priced underpowered computer. Drop it another 50 and Ill buy one.....maybe. FYI Marvel Super Heros was FAR better than Marvel Vs. Capcom. Anyway I'm jealous of you on that one

Marvel Superheroes fighting game was awesome, didn't think anyone else would know of that. I can't stand all these Capcom mash ups as I don't see why the super heroes don't just flatten everyone.
Also agree, prices are low now, get something new, screw used.