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you are one hell of an organised person lol....i just mess with settings willy nilly, i think i have a decent enough understanding now with regards to cpu overclocking, but memory is a tough one for me. gpus are fairly simple, had my 5850's at 900/1200 but dont like using amdgpuclock tool to obtain the clocks. Since im using the physx hack for my 9800gt it screws with msi afterburner so i cant use afterburner to overclock my 5850s - only can adjust voltage.

I asked unwinder himself, he was who told me the physx hack screws with afterburner and crossfire. ah well.
 
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I literally have 1000's of pages of written notes for my testing over the past 8 years or so...5 paper boxes of notebooks on settings, scores, scaling, failures, stability testing, what errors mean what, blah, blah, blah...hardware features, mistakes I've seen reviewers make, who favors what, who works for who, and who is friends with who...rumours, stores to buy from and stores to avoid...



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All useless in real life. But I've become pretty good at predicting future hardware, etc, I think. Not like that will ever help anyone, or matter...nor does it have any importance.


I can clock systems over the phone now...I remember telling some dude how to set up a 680i board...when I've never palyed with one...but I knew what he had to change, based on the failures he reported.

Big deal.:laugh: I should have spent that time playing my guitars.:laugh:
I can see we are a bunch of geeks. :roll:
 

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Yeah, I have OCD.:laugh:

I mean, I've been banned from a few forums(XS and HWC)...not because I ripped someone off, or anything like that...but because I expect too much, and am honest 100%. Hard to expect honesty form marketing, I have found, and when you push how people are dishonest, they tend to retaliate.

lol.


but yeah...let us know how it goes...how it errors...and I can probably help ya push that extra bit further.


i7 B2B memory setting was exposed due to me. But of course, those that cover it in "media" credit themselves. It was ME who told "3oh6" that TRD was missing...they then asked for that setting, and were given B2B:laugh:
 

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I'll keep you posted, ive got a couple of other ideas left yet. it just annoys me that my ram wont overclock for peanuts at cas 4 but once i drop to 5-5-5-15 i can take the fsb from 200 to 250+ no problem
 

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whats the highest u can get with cas4 & 5 in mhz?
 

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cas4 - 810max
cas5 - 1030max
 

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sorry? i have no idea what that means lol...but its normal the way they behave?
 

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Yes, normal scaling...the actual memory under the heatspreader is likely promos or elpida...depends on what revision you have.

TRFC adjustment might get you a bit more too...but only so much.
 

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an adjustment to what value would you consider?
 

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ok heres some screens of bios, lets tawk :)
 

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Hmm. So SPD settings gets you 1030mhz...?

You have a couple of options here...testing will show what's best.

I'm as thrown off as you are..NB volts "-" only? :wtf:

did you try those settings and see in AOD if it really does lower the volts?

otherwise, I'd up the "FSB", and drop the ram multi to keep as close to your max 4-4-4 timings that you can.

Can you select 110 for TRFC on each channel?

Although bumping up the memcontrol multi will make 4 some bandwidth gains, I don't see you needing more than 2600mhz(13x), so aim for 260FSB, mem control @ 10x, HTT@ 8x.

Minimum RAS active, and row cycle time, set lower than SPD, will affect your ram clocks a bit too, so you might want to go with full SPD settings if you end up with running ram @ 5-5-5.

I eman, really, you started off looking for a way to increase memcontrol volts, as obviously this may help performance increases, but that bios ain't cooperating, as you said!

The cooler you get that cpu, the better the memcontroller will scale, too...you've got 2880 you said...did that test fully stable?
 

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yup, spd gets me over 1000mhz, 4-4-4-12 is only stable a few mhz over 800, right now it wont budge even a little. basically what im wanting to do is max out my nb with my ram, whether it's 4-4-4-12@800mhz or 5-5-5-15@1000Mhz im not sure which will perform best. I've backed the nb down to just over 2600mhz now, gunna try a test @3.8Ghz vcore 1.504, 4-4-4-12@800mhz...will report back
 

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you really won't need more than 2600mhz on NB for 3.8ghz...gains will be 100-200mb/sec only in synthetic benches. @ 8k-9k/sec, 200mb/sec is such a small gain...
 

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whats the highest volts u ever passed trough your memory, i bet i can sqeeze more out of your corsairs
 

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set memory controller volts to its lowest setting, everything else thats auto set to manual, ht link width/ht link frequency set both at x16, its been a while since i used my gigabyte board, what options does auto xpress show
 

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ok done some more testing, it seems this morning (when it was much cooler) things were a little more stable. this afternoon i found that at 4-4-4-12 800mhz@2.15V was all i could get out of these sticks - however i have changed the TRFC from 127ns to 105ns now.

I also tried Spd settings with the 105ns, so 5-5-5-15 hits 1000mhz@2.15V, the next highest voltage i can choose for my ram is 2.25V...so im testing that now, might be able to squeeze more than 1000Mhz out of it. I ran vantage just now and got cpu score of 27467. Cpu @3813Mhz, 246 ht reference, nb@2706,memory at 5-5-5-15
 

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105ns that's right i forgot to add that, Enmity have a tip for ya, did u ever set your memory at 1T gigabyte boards are known to work with this setting with dd2 compared to most other boards, just try it out 4.4.4.10 1T, cause i know on my gigabyte board using a adata pc6400 2gb kit, i was able to get 5.4.4.10, 890mhz 1T
 

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ok done some more testing, it seems this morning (when it was much cooler) things were a little more stable. this afternoon i found that at 4-4-4-12 800mhz@2.15V was all i could get out of these sticks - however i have changed the TRFC from 127ns to 105ns now.

I also tried Spd settings with the 105ns, so 5-5-5-15 hits 1000mhz@2.15V, the next highest voltage i can choose for my ram is 2.25V...so im testing that now, might be able to squeeze more than 1000Mhz out of it. I ran vantage just now and got cpu score of 27467. Cpu @3813Mhz, 246 ht reference, nb@2706,memory at 5-5-5-15

I merely mention the 110TRFC for 4-4-4 timings, as another timing to pull in tight @ 400mhz. You might be able to go to 90 or so, but maybe not...and going much looser than 127 isn't gonna get you much more..but wouldn't hurt to try.

I wholely prefer the lower-voltage settings, as you aren't really going to get alot more performance clocking higher.

I'm urinnng DDR3...but...I cna run 4 sticks @ 1T, so as Corduroy suggests, give it a try. You could even try 4-4-3...


JUST BE AWARE THAT RAM CLOCKING CAN RENDER YOU OS INSTALL USELESS. PLEASE BE SURE TO BACK UP ANY PERTINET DATA BEFORE YOU GO TOO FAR.
 

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ok i have a weird situation here. If i set the ram to 5-5-5-15 then raise the ht to 246 this gives me a cpu clock of 3813, the nb is at 2706 and my cpu score in vantage is 27467.

Now, if i change the timings to 4-4-4-11 and have the nb at 11x (2200Mhz) and leave the ht reference at 200 and just overclock using the multi, this gives me a cpu clock of 3817, nb @2210 and my vantage score skyrockets to 31760.

next I might try the 12x for the nb (2400mhz) coz i know my system will boot at that setting, then give it another whirl to see if that provides any increase.

I now leave the ram at 105ns - the next lowest setting is 75ns so i think thats a bit too low. I tried both 4-4-3-12 and 4-4-4-10 - I set them one at a time in AOD 4-4-3-12 crashed as soon as i went into anything fullscreen, 4-4-4-10 seemed fine so i went to lock it in in the bios but os wouldn't load, so im trying 4-4-4-11 now. I haven't tried 1T yet, would that provide any added performance if so?

I really have to thank you guys, im a bit of a noob when it comes to memory. I appreciate your help and suggestions and im slowly building up an understanding - whilst getting better performance :D so thanks for the help thus far

...Im wondering about a couple of other settings now..can i change them safely?
Write recovery time = 6
Precharge time = 4
Row Cycle time = 24
RAS to RAS delay = 3

compared to my screenshot above, these settings have changed a lot since then, but ive never touched them lol...thoughts?
 
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ok i have a weird situation here. If i set the ram to 5-5-5-15 then raise the ht to 246 this gives me a cpu clock of 3813, the nb is at 2706 and my cpu score in vantage is 27467.

Now, if i change the timings to 4-4-4-11 and have the nb at 11x (2200Mhz) and leave the ht reference at 200 and just overclock using the multi, this gives me a cpu clock of 3817, nb @2210 and my vantage score skyrockets to 31760.

Because the actual bandwidth is so close, the lower latencies pay off more. I'd give credit to whoever mentioned that before, but I'm too lazy to look to see who it was.

next I might try the 12x for the nb (2400mhz) coz i know my system will boot at that setting, then give it another whirl to see if that provides any increase.

Sounds like a good plan.:rockout:

I now leave the ram at 105ns - the next lowest setting is 75ns so i think thats a bit too low. I tried both 4-4-3-12 and 4-4-4-10 - I set them one at a time in AOD 4-4-3-12 crashed as soon as i went into anything fullscreen, 4-4-4-10 seemed fine so i went to lock it in in the bios but os wouldn't load, so im trying 4-4-4-11 now. I haven't tried 1T yet, would that provide any added performance if so?
1T can add in 300-500MB/sec, depending on overall ram speed. Some times more, sometimes, less...

I really have to thank you guys, im a bit of a noob when it comes to memory. I appreciate your help and suggestions and im slowly building up an understanding - whilst getting better performance :D so thanks for the help thus far
No problem! I'm learning here too...not so much about the memory, but definately about your board!

...Im wondering about a couple of other settings now..can i change them safely?
Write recovery time = 6
Precharge time = 4
Row Cycle time = 24
RAS to RAS delay = 3

compared to my screenshot above, these settings have changed a lot since then, but ive never touched them lol...thoughts?

Write recovery time = 6......this should go to 8 above 1000mhz.


Precharge time = 4.......5 might bring more stability, but of course, tighter beings more performance....best to try and see what works best for you.


Row Cycle time = 24.........TRC is a very important timing. UP will slow the mem, down, more performance. 20-26 is normal settings, and you are right near midway..seems good to me, but again, play with and see what's best.


RAS to RAS delay = 3....this won't hcange much, no matter what memory is installed. as teh frequency goes up, so must this timing..but..for example, with DDR3 @ 1733, I run 4. You won't get 2...but going up won't give you much either.


I love doing this stuff...companies could send me parts, let me play, and I'd be more than willing to report back and send the stuff back, no cost to them. Going back in the past to like D975x chipsets, I've been talking about settings we needed as users long before they were available. My OCD means I try everything...even if there is a bit of a formula for these settings. We really need this info out for AMD set-ups, as many people, including OEMs, are pretty lost when it comes to mem tweaking on AMD...AMD seems to love Samsung HCF0, and the new elpida BBSE memory ICs( for DDR3)...but bios support must be there first, as there are far more timings that we just don't see.




FYI...4-4-4-12, or 4-4-4-15 is best for your DIMMs, and hence your issues going lower. Typically, you add up the first three to get the fourth...OK?;)
 

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hey no problem well all have to learn sometime, i could tell your a novice not just with memory no offense, but no worries we got u covered, ok hears what i would set it at, and no the ones u listed wont do u any justice in terms of speed, there really for stability

Write recovery time 4
Precharge time stay at 4 i was wrong this give u a good improvement, lowest i ever had this with any board was 4, so if u experience any stability issues, bump it back to 5
Row Cycle time 20
RAS to RAS delay leave it at 3
 

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oh yeah like cadaveca said, with 1T u gain a fair amount of read/copy mb speeds, not sure if it improves latency, again its been while
 

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Why do you rase your FSB so much? Your CPU is a "Black". Up the multi and lower the FSB. Thats way to much strain on a NB at those settings. AMD chips are FAR different than Intels. You want to stay AWAY from the FSB if you can.
 
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