Dual Xeon Processor?

[freaksavior]

I was just curious, but could you use a server mobo as a mobo for a desktop running windows? I mean i don't know why you couldn't but am i missing something?

 

[ktr]

if it is atx, then yes...of course it will fit

 

[AshenSugar]

if its standred atx, not the server equivlant(they are alot deeper and wont ifit most cases people buy)

my advice is to look at tyan if you really want a server board setup.

also dont get p4/nutburst or p-d xeons, your better off with old 940 opterons if you are going for that level of stuff, perf will be ALOT better!!!

woodcrust would be ok, but very pricy!!!!

honestly, if your looking for that level of perf just go quad core core2 or wait for amd's k8l chips to hit the market(mid next year.....im all set for one, just gotta pop out my 3500+@3gz and pop the k8l in and BAM ready to go )

i wouldnt go for a server as a desktop, you endup with alot less clocking options and any chip upgrades gonna caust you alot more as well!!!!

 

[freaksavior]

i am not actually going to do this but a friend of mine told me that he had a buddy with 16 physical processors in a server and it didn't work well because the server to so long to decide what cpu got what. So i was really just wondering if you could use two cpu's as a desktop pc instead of 1 high end cpu. so now i know you can but it would cost a lot of $$$
Thanks for the answers

 

[AshenSugar]

x2/core2 are 2 prosessors on one die(one package) so your questions mute really.

and multi sockts from the last review are still the domain of amd(better prosessor to prosessor communication and such)

with dual core theres no point in having 2 sepret 1core cpu's , because you will acctualy in most cases loose a bit of perf compared to 2 core cpu's.

and 16procs is quite possable, Tyan has boards you can do that with, and his problems where more due to the version of windows used and settings/software used then due to the hardware and os, if your running alot of singel threded apps you gotta manualy set or script those apps to use the core/cpu you want them to, i helped setup a system with 8 dual core opterons and after alot of scripting we had all the high cpu use/1core apps on their own prosessors/cores leaving 1 dual core free for windows to use for its own stuff, the system was a pain to get setup just right, but once configuared properly it flys, you can be compiling a new set of scripts(java/python/whatever) on the main windows cores and the server dosnt even slow down for everybody else!!!!(why they went with such an insain numbe of cores)

 

[Deleted member 3]

I highly doubt that that "a buddy of a buddy" has a system with 16 physical CPUs, financially quite impossible. Unless we're talking about some Pentium Pro or something. Dual socket systems aren't that expensive, in fact they can be cheaper than a high end single socket system and easily blow them away.

However, I wouldn't get onto the Xeon/Opteron boat if you don't know a thing about it.


@AshenSugar
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=3755
Look at the date, at that time the dual socket setup was a lot cheaper than that X2.

 

[AshenSugar]

never said a buddy of a buddy, this is a buisness i have worked for on contract many times, my buddy was the one who set it up orignaly, he asked for some help getting it configuared properly because he couldnt get it to auto assign apps to a spicific core/cpu, it kept buggin out, i had to look up the command lines and help test them then he had to make scrips to auto run xxx app on x core so that windows wouldnt spend all its time trying to load balance singel threded apps with multi threded apps on the same cpus.

the system is used as a server an compiler, they could have setup 4 boxes or more to do the same work, but it would have ended up causting more and being more work to manage, also the board they used allowed them to use scsi drives(large capacity drives) to mirror all the data on the scsi raid that they used, scsi performance is still the best in these kind of apps, yes its expencive but seagate gives 10year warr on some of their high end scsi raid kits(dirrectly ordered from seagate) its not perfect, scsi mirrored+striped would have been faster/better but caust was prohibitive(over 2x the caust because they would have needed an addin pci-x scsi raid card to do it as well as 2x as many drives) seagate gave them a deal on all the drives needed for that server and a couple others they needed to upgrade the scsi raids in(one had 14-4.6gb 15k rpm drives....hot fookers to.....burned myself trying to take them out to replace them)

the biggest setup i have seen a singel person own is a guy my uncle use to work with(coastguard) that now does rendering/anamation work for an add company, hes got 4xdual core opterons in a system with a scsi raid of 8 drives(mirrored+striped) as well as a 7MB/7MB sdsl connection, all payed for by his company, the systme also has a 3dlabs 640mb video card in it(huge hot and loud......) but he didnt pay for the system, they did so he could work at home and send stuff in and get stuff at decent speeds, im not exectly shure why they do it but i got the impression it was because hes very good at his job but isnt good with people and was causing problems at the office.

its like the orignal 4x4

really i dosnt matter tho, i never said that i knew somebody who knew somebody who owned one, i know a company that owned one i helped get working properly when i was also being payed to help upgrade a few other servers and get them back online as fast as posable.

oh a little advice, if you ever see a optical backup system that uses video disk size media(like records) RUN, they are SLOW and hard to deal with, this company had 6 of them rack mounted used to keep backups of their main servers, we had to backup then restore from them, backing up a server with less then 60gb total capacity took something like 16hrs.....it was hell, restoring, took just as long, because, the, things, are, slow, as, hell....
but TBH the IT manager of that company listened to me after seeing how slow those things where and ordered some external backup towers(towers that are scsi/sata/firewire/usb2 with multi 720+gb drives in them raided in hardware to show as 1 large backup drive) and we where able to backup all the servers with one of them then used the other to setup auto backup of all the work data on the workstations on a nightly basis, i so want one of the backup towers tho, the smallest ones where 4 720gb drives showing as one, cant remmber the formated capacity, but damn it was fast, and could connect to pretty much any port you would want to use for external data trasnfer, even had optical ports and gbit lan connections, humm, 2nd nic on my board connected to that via gbit lan..........*creams*

 

[ktr]

this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151008

and

4 of these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103022

and

about 16 of these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146576

make me happy!

 

[AshenSugar]

hehe, and i think you need more then 2xx chips to do quad+ chip/socket setups, check out tyans website for some of the stuff they offer!!!!!

 

[Wile E]

You can buy a fully assembled and running dual Xeon (Woodcrest) desktop out of the box that can run Windows. It's called a Mac Pro.

 

[AshenSugar]

cant run windows nativly tho , gotta use bootcamp, windows dosnt support EFI and thus cant boot on any mac without a 3rd party app.

woodcrust, mac,,,,,,,,,,yuck, i will save my $ and build my own higher quility box for far less$ kthxbye

 

[Wile E]

cant run windows nativly tho , gotta use bootcamp, windows dosnt support EFI and thus cant boot on any mac without a 3rd party app.

woodcrust, mac,,,,,,,,,,yuck, i will save my $ and build my own higher quility box for far less$ kthxbye

HAHAHA, I was just being an ass.

But seriously, some macs are a good value, especially when you consider the bundled software. I personally own 2. An iMac G4 1GHz(which I won in a raffle at work, and am typing from, atm), and a G5 1.6GHz(Which I got for free cause it was "broken"-it needed a hard drive. lol.) They hold their value extremely well, also. I just sold my better half's 1.6GHz G5 for $675 on eBay. Not bad for a first gen G5. Gonna be ordering an iMac 24" for her in a week or 2. I got into Macs when I started music production. They're a great platform for it. Can't wait to see what the iMac can do, and considering most 24" displays of that quality cost more than $1000 alone, I think it's a decent value. I do agree that the Mac Pros are overpriced, however. They're best suited to professional audio or visual designers that already use the Mac platform.

 

[AshenSugar]

if you hadnt use the "already use the mac platform" thing i would have slaped you.

i know alot of people who use to use macs because they where at one time better for video and audio work, but all of them now agree that price for power the pc is a better choice, and osx is basickly just BSD, most of them have an opteron or x2 system with windows and BSD dual boot, they also like that with pc you got a wider range of software to choose from rather then 1-2, maby 3 choices of an app to do a job, and none of them being exectly what you need, one has a dual g5(last gen b4 the core2 stuff came out) and he has 3 apps to do 1 job because none of them do everything he wants, he likes his mac for some stuff, but he had me help him build a good pc and got the software he needed thru his company for free(even in his name) the only real complaint he has about his pc is the fact that he didnt try one sooner (no joke he was a mac user since they mac classic days)

his only exp with pc's b4 that where the cheap econo pc's that offices buy for typing and such, how it all got started was he was trying to add some filtering and fx to a sound file he had and his mac didnt have what he needed, he was having to do part on one program and part on another then go back to a 3rd to clean up some of what the others did, he came over and asked if i still had the HUGE software libery of audio apps that i collected from diffrent job sites i had worked, and ofcorse i did, so after about 45min of extracting and testing he found a program that would do what he wanted AND encode to vorbis dirrectly, he was shocked at how fast it all went, he wasnt use to a pc that didnt suck(dell and gateway leave a bad impression at the office )

his wife had a p4 celeron laptop from work, 1.6gz p4 celeron laptop with a 4200rpm hdd and 256mb ram with windows xp, and he thought that was a good example of a pc (his g5 at the time was a 1.6gz setup ROFL) i loaned him a backup Duron applebread system i had after i moved the whole of my audio app arcive over to it, he spent the next week calling me for questions about windows 2000, then the another couple weeks trying to get up the nerve to ask me to help him build a prof worstation pc....hehe

so hes got both mac and pc still, he has his wife and kid on mac mini's because it keeps them away from viri and spyware and such, tho he hates the mini's because hes had to replace hdd's 3 times so far and apple support alwase wants u to send them in not just send you a new drive to replace the dead one!!!!!!
i endup doing the swap outs, took one mini he was replacing(hdd had died 2x) and overclocked it(soldering skillz rock) it was fun, i had to add a fan to the cooler

personaly tho, i will stick with my windows 2003, till something better comes along, i game, anything but windows would be silly for me!!!!

 

[ktr]

People has to love their macs or they will be down 2000 bucks

 

[AshenSugar]

mac hold value because they caust so much nobody wants to buy a new one or is willing to sell an old one cheap

 

[Deleted member 3]

never said a buddy of a buddy

Notice how I said that and then I used @AshenSugar? I must have not been talking about you. In the initial post it said buddy of a buddy until it was edited.


Plus I've asked you before, could you please stop with the flaming name usage? Improperly naming things on purpose to mock is rather pointless and turns whatever negative opinion you have into flames.

In your own language: "your talkin liek a fanboi"


As for that mac pro thing, Dell and various other OEMs sell Woodcrest boxes as well. Those DO run Windows.

 

[Wile E]

mac hold value because they caust so much nobody wants to buy a new one or is willing to sell an old one cheap

For the pro and power models I agree. But I stand by the fact that the current iMacs are a good value. I personally got into Macs because the main band I was working with when I started mixing and producing, had Logic and Reason on a Mac. Along with another Mac only software synth that I just can't remember the name of. I also like the security for surfing. My iMac G4 sits downstairs for any guests to openly use for surfing and such. Don't get me wrong tho, I'm not a Mac zealot. I still have my PC, too. It's currently my fastest machine in the house, too. Tho I'm afraid the new iMac might change that. lol I just love computers period. Oh, and I had my G4 overclocked as well. lol. Had it running at 1.33GHz, but had to return it to stock, because it kept overheating, and I didn't want to mod the case or hard drive cage to add fans.

 

[AshenSugar]

stupid passive cooling, g4's where bad anyway, seens some first gen ones that overheated due to no ariflow in the case( and i mean NO airflow.)

and i will keep calling it nutburst, because its crap, only intel zelots think otherwise.

and i hate to tell you this but DELL SUCKS!!!!!!!

the mac mini requiers some soldering to overclock, but its fun to do when you know even if you kill it nobodys gonna get mad!!!!

 

[Deleted member 3]

stupid passive cooling, g4's where bad anyway, seens some first gen ones that overheated due to no ariflow in the case( and i mean NO airflow.)

and i will keep calling it nutburst, because its crap, only intel zelots think otherwise.

and i hate to tell you this but DELL SUCKS!!!!!!!

the mac mini requiers some soldering to overclock, but its fun to do when you know even if you kill it nobodys gonna get mad!!!!

I've been in contact with the future. It's quite negative for you. Timelines can be altered of course but you have been warned.

 

[AshenSugar]

what, i think most people here would agree dell sucks, maby we should put it to a vote

and you make intels last gen chips not suck by design and your welcome to b!tch at me for making sport of their name.

 

[Deleted member 3]

what, i think most people here would agree dell sucks, maby we should put it to a vote

and you make intels last gen chips not suck by design and your welcome to b!tch at me for making sport of their name.

And the more you mock everything the less welcome you are. You've already had several warnings from other mods and I've actually been getting complaints about rotten.com pictures you post in your signature. So trust me, I won't be bitching at you. I take care of problems instead.

 

[AshenSugar]

that link was removed yesterday, and it was quite clear that only those who didnt like me or what i post where ment to click that, it wasnt anything to over the top, just weightlifter who tryed to lift to much and took some damnage

 

[Deleted member 3]

that link was removed yesterday, and it was quite clear that only those who didnt like me or what i post where ment to click that, it wasnt anything to over the top, just weightlifter who tryed to lift to much and took some damnage

I know what it was. And guess what is decided by various TPU staff members including myself? It was over the top. In fact, after 2 infractions I still had to remove it myself.

 

[AshenSugar]

i removed it after talking to the other mod, a 2nd mod requested you fix it i guess, meh, oh well, its over, i know you dont like me, and i cant blame you, im not willing to agree with you and say that intel rules.
one of those infractions should be removed from what zekrahminator said in our last communication.
the day i was sposta remove it i couldnt get online(no phone or cable for most of the day thanks to somebody trying to pirat cable messing up some stuff......damn them putting cable and phone lines so close togather)
if i had access to the net i would have removed the link as soon as zekrahminator said it was over the top, unfortunetly i wasnt able to get online.
when i got back i edited my sig and removed the link, zekrahminator said the change i made was fine, sorry if you didnt like it, i changed it again just a couple minutes ago.

this new one shouldnt be considered over the top i hope.

 

[Deleted member 3]

i removed it after talking to the other mod, a 2nd mod requested you fix it i guess, meh, oh well, its over, i know you dont like me, and i cant blame you, im not willing to agree with you and say that intel rules.
one of those infractions should be removed from what zekrahminator said in our last communication.
the day i was sposta remove it i couldnt get online(no phone or cable for most of the day thanks to somebody trying to pirat cable messing up some stuff......damn them putting cable and phone lines so close togather)
if i had access to the net i would have removed the link as soon as zekrahminator said it was over the top, unfortunetly i wasnt able to get online.
when i got back i edited my sig and removed the link, zekrahminator said the change i made was fine, sorry if you didnt like it, i changed it again just a couple minutes ago.

this new one shouldnt be considered over the top i hope.

Well I simply changed the URL so a silly drawing I found on Google and decided you would find out I changed it after a few weeks.