ASRock and ASUS: Mythbust

[heky]

Wtf are you talking about?I`m not talking about TSMC. Read the post, and dont speak if you cant read!

 

[btarunr]

Its not the same, NVIDIA and AMD are not connected with the same foundry. But AMD and Global Foundries are connected, since it used to be AMD. Its exactly the same with ASUS and Pegatron, it was the same company. They only parted to avoid conflict of interest!!! Why do you think ASUS spun-off Pegatron? Becouse they needed money? No i dont think so!

Again you're talking in past-tense. My post (#9) was presnt-tense, you argued about their past connection, then tried to fit in the foundry angle (that ASUS continues to seek manufacturing from Pegatron and so they're somehow connected), and now you're back to the "past" argument.

Try to dispute the following sentence:

"ASRock and ASUS are motherboard vendors completely independent of each other."

 

[erixx]

I understand, although more facts would be nice. Like directors names and engeneers names that played/play a main role.

Still funny that being totally unrelated NOW, they didn't change their logo one bit (ASRock). Maybe the marketng department told them so

Thanks for reviving this one BTARUNR!

 

[OneMoar]

sorry bta you are still wrong
asrock is STILL a associate of Pegatron
http://www.pegatroncorp.com/company/businessOperation.php
pegatron "owns" the "OEM" for both Asus AND Asrock and a few others

 

[btarunr]

sorry bta you are still wrong
asrock is STILL a associate of Pegatron
http://www.pegatroncorp.com/company/businessOperation.php
pegatron "owns" the "OEM" for both Asus AND pegatron

Where did I deny that?

• ASUStek and Pegatron became separate entities.
• ASRock is run by Pegatron, which is a separate entity from ASUStek.

How do you connect ASUS and ASRock in present-tense based on the above two statements?

 

[OneMoar]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Janu...-Results-for-ASRock-and-Pegatron-184025.shtml

 

[btarunr]

I understand, although more facts would be nice. Like directors names and engeneers names that played/play a main role.

http://www.asrock.com/general/about.asp?cat=Organization

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Janu...-Results-for-ASRock-and-Pegatron-184025.shtml

And? How are you fitting that in this discussion?

 

[OneMoar]

take a look at some of the patents owned by the board members
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/people.asp?ticker=4938:TT

and there involvement in the development of various bits of hardware

 

[ViperXTR]

grabs popcorn...

 

[OneMoar]

at a consumer level no asrock and asus are different things .. however at the "businessmen" level they are very much related

 

[OneMoar]

http://www.faqs.org/patents/inventor/tung-taipei-4/
/steals some of vipers popcorn

 

[HossHuge]

Ok. I just called ASRock and talked to one of their sales people. He told me that officially they are not connected. However they have the same chairman and Asus does own shares in Pegatron.

Hope this helps!!

 

[btarunr]

http://www.faqs.org/patents/inventor/tung-taipei-4/
/steals some of vipers popcorn

IP is licensed, cross-licensed widely between completely independent companies.

The archaic definition of "ASRock and ASUS are related" that I'm trying to bust here is that "ASUS is a parent of ASRock." That is no longer a fact.

 

[BrooksyX]

Wether they are related or not. I like my ASrock p67 fata1ity board

 

[btarunr]

The objective of this mythbust exercise is to convince people to stop seeing ASRock as a "subsidiary of ASUS that focuses on value motherboards". It's not anymore. ASRock is now a full-fledged motherboard manufacturer that targets all market segments.

 

[OneMoar]

IP is licensed, cross-licensed widely between completely independent companies.

The archaic definition of "ASRock and ASUS are related" that I'm trying to bust here is that "ASUS is a parent of ASRock." That is no longer a fact.

several of the board members are still ACTIVELY involved development of tech used on asus and ASRock boards so while on the stock exchange they may be unrelated. much of the tech and "Intellectual property" [god I die a little every time I use that phrase] is shared between the two

 

[HossHuge]

The objective of this mythbust exercise is to convince people to stop seeing ASRock as a "subsidiary of ASUS that focuses on value motherboards". It's not anymore. ASRock is now a full-fledged motherboard manufacturer that targets all market segments.

I understand what you're trying to say but doesn't that fact that Asus has shares in the company that runs ASRock mean that they can influence them in some way?

For example. If things start going bad for ASRock, as a shareholder, I'd be like WTF is going on here!

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

Just think of them now as bizarro world Asus. That's the impression you get using their UEFI. Similar but not quite as nice.

 

[erixx]

hehe, just to redefine your (re)definition): Just because children go and live their own lifes, make their own money and are fully independent of their parents....

Their parents are still and forever 'parents'

But of course, in corporate-land it does not even closely mean the same as parentship between living beings...

 

[Ross211]

I my ASRock Z68 Pro3-M

 

[OneMoar]

I understand what you're trying to say but doesn't that fact that Asus has shares in the company that runs ASRock mean that they can influence them in some way?

For example. If things start going bad for ASRock, as a shareholder, I'd be like WTF is going on here!

+1 BUT
the core of my argument is that this is no differnt from brand name vrs NON brandname
while tylenol is a BRAND name for Acetaminophen so is equate while they are not made by the same people the drug does the same thing and the drug "Acetaminophen" was developed by the same people as BOTH "equate" and "tylenol" ARE "Acetaminophen"

 

[Crap Daddy]

ASRock competes directly with ASUS in the motherboard department (up to high-end products) and they are doing very well lately so it would be a bit odd for both companies to have the same owners.

 

[OneMoar]

ASRock competes directly with ASUS in the motherboard department (up to high-end products) and they are doing very well lately so it would be a bit odd for both companies to have the same owners.

and yes they do and no its not odd
if you control/influence your competition you can control the market
that's business 101
the term "owners" is not really accurate shareholder is more like it [No corporation really has a "OWNER"]
the executives I listed have stakes in just about every chip company in asia

 

[pantherx12]

Bta stop trying to convince people and post some links to some data.

Problem solved.



I was under the impression from a legal perspective they were separate companies now too.

 

[OneMoar]

Bta stop trying to convince people and post some links to some data.

Problem solved.



I was under the impression from a legal perspective they were separate companies now too.

+1
legally there different companies but "behind the scenes" the same group of people have a hand in running stuff / developing stuff / harvesting IP 's