Unlimited Detail Technology

[AphexDreamer]

It could be just a name, but it isn't given the way he's used it without a qualifier. The fact that he used some numbers in the demos doesn't change anything.

It actually does and in his interview he even says, "Unlimited Geometric Power".

PantherX posted it.

Interview he even says 100,000x more power than the current polygon system.

I think you take him out of context.

Unlimited
" Not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent."

That is ALL he is saying, he's saying there isn't a cap to the detail.

As in theory it will only display 1920x1080 voxels on a hd screen the amount of voxels in total that you could have you only be limited by storage.

That is unlimited.

The software hasn't got a limit.

( All of this is assuming it's true of course, but seems you misunderstand what unlimited means)

Thanks.

 

[qubit]

"Unlimited geometric power" is still claiming infinity... :shadedshu

Maybe he said 100k in the interview, but that's still a ridiculous number and his whole push on it is that there's no limit to what this can do. So far they've been "working" the better part of a decade on it and still have only a few dodgy-looking demos to show for it.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[AphexDreamer]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Even though he shows it, you mean experience it.

So be it.

He gets hammered with question in his interview, but since that is 40 min long and you couldn't see a 7 min video I take it you won't even touch the link.

It even talks about Notches Claims. If it is fake, why? It isn't like he has a paypal link with each of his videos.. He claims to be well funded as well.

Text Version I believe.

http://www.ausgamers.com/features/read/3094648

Here is your DX11 part.

Several of the things you covered - like the realistic looking trees, and ground, and rocks - can be achieved with tessellation under DirectX 11 - how is your approach better?

Euclideon: Well I'd like to proceed compassionately here. Tessellation is nice, I like tessellation, it was a proposed solution to the problems with low polygon counts and it was designed by some clever people who tackled the problems that the present polygon system brings in a very good way, but no I don’t think that tessellated height bumps are better than real geometry if you put the tessellation picture next to unlimited detail there is a pretty big difference. [See picture below]

 

[pantherx12]

"Unlimited geometric power" is still claiming infinity... :shadedshu

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Did you just ignore the definitions of infinity and unlimited?

It is not what you think.

If I had unlimited money it wouldn't mean I had a wallet FILLED with money that I could never empty.

It could mean someone just gives me the money I require each time I need it.


I think two many people think of unlimited like the way an unlimited money cheat works in a game lol or unlimited health.

I mean it's literally in the word it's self.

Un-limited.

Literally all it means that there isn't a limit.

D:


Like you can have a road with an unlimited max speed, doesn't mean cars travel over it at over 9000 miles per hour does it?

Just means you can drive how ever fast you like.

 

[nv40pimp]

Did you just ignore the definitions of infinity and unlimited?

It is not what you think.

If I had unlimited money it wouldn't mean I had a wallet FILLED with money that I could never empty.

It could mean someone just gives me the money I require each time I need it.


I think two many people think of unlimited like the way an unlimited money cheat works in a game lol or unlimited health.

I mean it's literally in the word it's self.

Un-limited.

Literally all it means that there isn't a limit.

D:


Like you can have a road with an unlimited max speed, doesn't mean cars travel over it at over 9000 miles per hour does it?

Just means you can drive how ever fast you like.

FIXED lol

 

[qubit]

He gets hammered with question in his interview, but since that is 40 min long and you couldn't see a 7 min video I take it you won't even touch the link.

I did watch the 40 minute interview, I told you. The short video, I just skipped through, without the sound. Perhaps I could force myself to sit through it, but it won't change anything, especially as there's no new rendering that Dell's demoed.

Did you just ignore the definitions of infinity and unlimited?

No, while your definition of unlimited is correct, it amounts to the same thing as infinity.

Think about it, my computer could go faster and faster if I simply upped the clock speed all the time, as I needed to. Any system can hit infinity if you just keep adding to it, but everything stops somewhere in the real world. Therefore, him claiming unlimited is just so much BS. If he'd claimed from the start say, that the system is 50 times more powerful than the best conventional rendering system, then that would be a claim worth taking seriously, with a demo to back it up, of course.

btw, what was interesting, was that in the interview, he was using a rather high powered laptop - something that he wasn't really that keen to admit to the interviewer and it wasn't rendering particularly fast, either. So, if that was slow, how is a mobile phone to render this at all?

 

[AphexDreamer]

It's just a tech demo for a method so if you fail to saturate it with unlimited detail, it's the content developers fault as the system is designed to be able to do it.

Which is why he just repeats things, it is easier to show what it can do then coming up with new content to take up a whole lot of space.

Also the interview shows the older versions running but both the newer and old version run software only.

They have gone far in just 2.5 years and they seem pretty dedicated to prove all those saying it isn't possible wrong.

 

[qubit]

Yup, let them prove it when it's finally "ready".

 

[AphexDreamer]

Yup, let them prove it when it's finally "ready".

Well at least prove it to hardcore skeptics, others have seen enough proof. To each their own.

(The guy has a video of it running in real time) If you need to play it to believe it you will just have to wait a bit longer.

 

[Irony]

I seems very animated. Its hard to tell if hes actually done anything, or just mapped out a scene.

Also, I find it funny how many people want this to exist. Qubit puts up one post after this has been dead for days, and theres already like another 100 comments.

 

[qubit]

I seems very animated. Its hard to tell if hes actually done anything, or just mapped out a scene.

Yup.

Also, I find it funny how many people want this to exist. Qubit puts up one post after this has been dead for days, and theres already like another 100 comments.

It wuznt me guv! It was AphexDreamer in post 330! says qubit ratting him out. j/k

But yeah, there's something about this that just keeps people at it - just look at who's got the most posts in this thread. I think it's that sense of almost, almost there that does it. Like all the best scams, they tantalize you forever without ever quite getting there. Nearly a decade (or was it a whole decade? Forget now) and this is all they have to show for such an allegedly powerful - UNLIMITED! - technology? Hmmm...

 

[Frick]

I assume qubit don't like it when products have abstract names. Megaman, how is he mega? Here's a company named Rentals Unlimited, you should write a letter to them. They're not unlimited. Simcity 3000 Unlimited is also stupid, I know as a facts that you cannot build unlimited cities. Autodesk is a sinner as well.

I don't understand how you can be hung up on that. They guy does throw around the term a bit too much but it sound like your avarage sales talk to me.

 

[Easy Rhino]

not this again. is he selling real estate on the moon now?

 

[qubit]

It's more than just the name, Frick (which is bad enough). I've explained it all ages ago and so have others, if you want to go back over the thread.

not this again. is he selling real estate on the moon now?

No, it's Mars, lol.

 

[Frick]

It's more than just the name, Frick (which is bad enough). I've explained it all ages ago and so have others, if you want to go back over the thread.

I've read that, and most of the posts go on saying it's a hoax. And you have talked about "unlimited" an awful lot:

People are calling them out as frauds, because they're claiming to handle an infinite amount of detail/data. As we all know, nothing in this universe can do that, so the claim is bollocks.

If they'd simply billed it as a new, hyper-efficient way of dealing with a huge volume of data giving say, a 100-fold improvement in rendering speed, then I'd buy it and look forward to the official tech demos and description of the technology.

But they didn't.

I do believe it's a hoax. I really do, mostly because of the execution of the thing. Everything about it is bloody awful actually. But we might get lucky. We will not for sure, but we might. Now he's telling us there's an actual SDK coming pretty soon, so let's get back together in May and see what happaned.

 

[pantherx12]

Still don't understand how people can call it a scam, a fake yeah go ahead that's your opinion, but who the hell is he scamming?

You have to be taking money/property from someone for it to be a scam, so far they've not hassled anyone for money.

 

[qubit]

I've read that, and most of the posts go on saying it's a hoax. And you have talked about "unlimited" an awful lot:

Yes, I confess! I confess!

I do believe it's a hoax. I really do, mostly because of the execution of the thing. Everything about it is bloody awful actually. But we might get lucky. We will not for sure, but we might. Now he's telling us there's an actual SDK coming pretty soon, so let's get back together in May and see what happaned.

You got a thanks just for inflating my ego with "qubit anno 2010" and digging out that quote, let alone the rest of the post. That was awesome, thankyou.

Yes, indeed. We might just get lucky, so let's just wait for them to prove it. The onus is on them, not us to "believe it".

 

[Easy Rhino]

Still don't understand how people can call it a scam, a fake yeah go ahead that's your opinion, but who the hell is he scamming?

You have to be taking money/property from someone for it to be a scam, so far they've not hassled anyone for money.

the reason i personally think it is a scam is because i think it is fake and he is trying to lure potential investors.

 

[AphexDreamer]

the reason i personally think it is a scam is because i think it is fake and he is trying to lure potential investors.

Then he is going to need a lot more than youtube videos and an interview to do that.

And since he already got a grant and he isn't asking for money (Claims he has more money than he needs to do the project actually) then I suppose he is doing it all for popularity then? Must not have been loved as a child.

 

[Steevo]

I like the perfectly square objects and the exact same trees and the lack of movement.




Still fake.

 

[erocker]

Personally, I can't wait for Santa to bring me UDT!! Best Christmas evar!

 

[Easy Rhino]

Then he is going to need a lot more than youtube videos and an interview to do that.

And since he already got a grant and he isn't asking for money (Claims he has more money than he needs to do the project actually) then I suppose he is doing it all for popularity then? Must not have been loved as a child.

beats me. wake me when we something tangible. like a game that looks better than bf3 using this tech.

 

[AphexDreamer]

I like the perfectly square objects and the exact same trees and the lack of movement.

Ok call it fake but really? Perfectly Square objects? You guys are just saying anything now.

The repeating stuff is cause it would be really hard to come up with tons of new stuff to take up all that space, plus they say countless times they aren't artists or graphics designers.

 

[Easy Rhino]

guys! i have come up with UNLIMITED!!!111!1 detail technology. now i have a screenshot. go easy, because i am not a graphic artist. anyone want to invest in my technology?

Spoiler

note: i am not trolling, but using this as an example of how ridiculous this whole thing is.

 

[erocker]

That's literally hundreds of pixels. Amazing!

Sorry AD, there's just nothing new in regards to UDT. I don't understand why you felt the need to bring this thread up again. Perhaps we should shut it down until a reputable 3rd party comes out and says this isn't some joke. This topic's discussion has been saturated.