AMD FX-8150 3.60 GHz with Windows Patches

repman244 · Feb 14, 2012

To make matters more complicated, there have been AM3 boards on the market for quite some time now, using 800 series chipset and claiming to have AM3+ processor support. That is true only if those boards have implemented an AM3+ socket layout, also known as "black colored" socket featuring 942 pin holes. They will run your Bulldozer processors with proper BIOS update, but without the use of HT 3.1 support. Older AM3 boards using "white" 941 pin sockets can't house AM3+ processors because of physical incompatibility. So before buying a new Bulldozer processor for your AM3 board, check your socket layout first.

I think this should be corrected since it is now known that the 800 series does indeed support BD even with the old AM3 socket (CHIV (E) with BIOS update for example). The only problem is that no one has tested the downsides of using it (apart from the huge strain on the PWM section when overclocking).

Anyhow, I think this is a nice performance increase for those who have a BD CPU (a free increase!), I hope they improve everything with Piledriver so that we have more products to choose from.

Omega · Feb 14, 2012

@repman244
Thanks for the info, I'll update the article.

@ZenZimZaliben
English is not my native, did the best I can.

dasa · Feb 14, 2012

So if overclocking shows its not the cpu\memory making 8150 the fastest cpu in this test why the difference between the fx8150 and 2500k\phenom II

Obviously its been tested in a gpu limited scenario unlike this test

So what i want to know is why when gpu limited dose the fx8150 get a lead in some tests by what in many reviews seems to be a greater amount than typical margin of error and as shown by the overclocking test can even be consistent
Its just so dam inconsistent amongst reviews yet it keeps happening here and there

Yo_Wattup · Feb 15, 2012

n0tiert said:
wooohooo now you showing off with the benefit of mighty INTEL

me wouldn't wonder if all the stuff is based on books like e.g:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images...ow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

or

http://www.intel.com/intelpress/programming.htm?iid=prodmap_tb+prog

or

http://software.intel.com/en-us/intel-sdp-home/

hmmmmm FX-8150 Gameplay

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/10/11/amd_bulldozer_fx8150_gameplay_performance_review/2

Not sure on the point your trying to get across... :confused:

xtremesv · Feb 15, 2012

claylomax said:
What a sad reminder of how much of a disaster Bulldozer is.

I don't get why people keep saying Bulldozer is a disaster. OK, I understand it's not the "divine all-mighty" CPU many expected but it's not a bad chip either, the hype was too much for this new architecture. I could picture a former PII X6 1100T owner resenting having bought an FX-81X0 but I don't see it with someone upgrading from a PII X4 or first-gen i5.

I'm not trying to defend my choice but I'm very pleased with my FX-8120 compared to my old PII X4 965 @3.8. In my case, FX was cheaper than i5 2500K and I oced it just fine (@3.9/4.4) staying at stock voltage and Turbo Core enabled.

alexsubri · Feb 15, 2012

Glad to see that my AMD 965 Black Edition @ 3.7GHZ still holding its ground!

Omega · Feb 15, 2012

dasa said:
So what i want to know is why when gpu limited dose the fx8150 get a lead in some tests by what in many reviews seems to be a greater amount than typical margin of error and as shown by the overclocking test can even be consistent
Its just so dam inconsistent amongst reviews yet it keeps happening here and there

There's a big difference in Metro2033 settings between that chart and mine, I don't use Physx.
From the chart results you provided I think they enable Physx and let the CPU do the work, not the GPU. The difference between Physx on/of is enormous and in my experience it can result in some unstable test results, so I turned it off.

Also, in the TPU charts you pasted, there seems to be a bug.
FX-8150 no patch score should be 68 not 78
Same thing in the overclocking table, FX-8150 should be 68, not 78
I'll fix it asap.

repman244 · Feb 15, 2012

xtremesv said:
I could picture a former PII X6 1100T owner resenting buying an FX-81X0 but I don't see it with someone upgrading from a PII X4 or first-gen i5.

Well that is the problem, since I and many others don't have an upgrade from the 1090T/1100T. The 4 module BD is somewhat faster in multithread scenarios which matters for only a few (it matters for me too but I would need to spend money on a new board + CPU for a minor increase in speed).
And you can't stop thinking, why did they even put more than 4 years of development and a ton of money into it and end up in worse position (looking at core per core scenario) and with higher power consumption. This is probably the main reason to think of it as a fail.
I do agree with your point that for someone with an X4 Phenom it is an upgrade and it also offers an improved IMC which is holding back the Phenom II quite often.

theonek · Feb 16, 2012

Well, it's not bad at all, especially at it's price, this is excellent choice for cheap and fast. Glad to have it!

TheoneandonlyMrK · Feb 16, 2012

dasa · Feb 17, 2012

Omega said:
There's a big difference in Metro2033 settings between that chart and mine, I don't use Physx.
From the chart results you provided I think they enable Physx and let the CPU do the work, not the GPU. The difference between Physx on/of is enormous and in my experience it can result in some unstable test results, so I turned it off.

Also, in the TPU charts you pasted, there seems to be a bug.
FX-8150 no patch score should be 68 not 78
Same thing in the overclocking table, FX-8150 should be 68, not 78
I'll fix it asap.

Thanks for the reply
i wasnt trying to directly compare your results with xbit labs as you say different test and different hardware
just commenting that your test is showing how fast 5870 is and the other is showing cpu speed rather than 6970
but as you say running physx without a nvidia gpu wont be producing realistic results

looks like you have missed a bit when fixing the overclocked results
the non overclcoked results is now down to 68 but the overclocked results are still 78-79

WarEagleAU · Feb 18, 2012

Well I for one am Happy with my AMD 6100 (6120) processor and love it. Overclocks very well, runs everything smooth and stable, even Skyrim a lot better than my 955 BE which I loved. I love my new ASUS board 990x and the UEFI BIOS. everything seems to run definitely smoother and faster and I did install the patches. I was pleasantly surprised to see the 8150 leading or staying really close in a lot of the benchmarks compared to what I was expecting to see or what I read around on the net. While it definitely isn't what AMD hoped, it could have been a lot worse.

One thing I wanted to ask....IF AMD would take unused cores for those processes and programs that are not multi-core used and took those unused cores and somehow combined them into one huge core or, I guess, took the unused cores and used them to work on the single core program....would that help at all or could it be done? (sorry for the run on). It seems like that is something that could theoretically be done.

Excellent review Omega and BTA even if I don't full on agree with your assessment I respect your opinion and views.

W1zzard · Feb 18, 2012

WarEagleAU said:
....IF AMD would take unused cores for those processes and programs that are not multi-core used and took those unused cores and somehow combined them into one huge core

= holy grail of parallelism

even with the source code available this is nearly impossible so far. for binaries it's even more complicated

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_parallelization

GC_PaNzerFIN · Feb 19, 2012

If this and if that. Lets face the reality, not everything can be multi-threaded and the design is poor for general use due to most programs either being single threaded, or load only one thread hard.

Which one is to blame, the CPU that is fast only in paper with software not in popular use or everything else? AMD should have thought what the CPU is going to be used for before forgetting about single thread performance. Major error in design goals from day one.

Intel doesn't sacrifice single threaded performance in the altar of multithreading. Very well rounded performance. No wonder it is success.

Super XP · Feb 19, 2012

Omega said:
You're missing the point, or I didn't make myself clear enough on my opinion.
I hope Americans won't bust my ass for copyright infringement but here goes...

Lets say I supply the US army with F-16 fighter jets for a year now, and they've proven themselves to to be cheap, easy to maintain and most importantly an all round performer.

Now, after a year you show up with a F-22 Raptor, and you're all like "I got stealth, a future proof technology", and the US Airforce goes like "Wooooow".

But when they put our two fighter jets to the test, head to head, yours F-22 Rapptor is outmaneuvered, outgunned and outperformed as a platform in every way. Would you say that your future proof technology justifies your product failure?

If you delivered your plane to be used, it needs to make use of that future proof technology integrated in a whole balanced and complete package - product for end user. AMD has a new architecture, that holds a certain potential for long term growth and performance improvements. But that means little to us end users in the short term because they delivered a product on a level that Intel had a year ago, and by the time AMD reaches Bulldozer full potential, Intel will have Sandy Bridge - X which will be X times faster. It's hard to see "future proof tech" there

Edit:
The F16 vs F22 comparison was used just to make a point. Please don't troll about it

You make an interesting point. Any company claiming Future Proof tech. on today's released products is full of shit. It's a marketing gimick to make you buy into it NOW. Then 5 Years from now when this so called future tech becomes usefull, you would end up buying something NEWER.

Intel is just as guilty as AMD and others like Nvidia and ATI in the past. Release a product now that should perform better tomorrow is useless because "YOU WILL" end up buying something newer by the time that so called technology gets released/invented.

Thefumigator · Feb 19, 2012

Super XP said:
You make an interesting point. Any company claiming Future Proof tech. on today's released products is full of shit. It's a marketing gimick to make you buy into it NOW. Then 5 Years from now when this so called future tech becomes usefull, you would end up buying something NEWER.

Intel is just as guilty as AMD and others like Nvidia and ATI in the past. Release a product now that should perform better tomorrow is useless because "YOU WILL" end up buying something newer by the time that so called technology gets released/invented.

It makes sense but I think AMD was the first to want bulldozer to be better than Phenom II, they just couldn't make it perform (much) better despite the extra time they took (also known as delay). Some may think, "if they couldn't make bulldozer perform (much) better then why didn't they just shrink Phenom II and put two extra cores to it?" well, they have to do more than just shrinking, they have to add AVX and the rest of the stuff. Did AMD had time? Did they expected this would happen?

Whatever is the case, FX was released anyway, thinking it will sell anyway as the "newer processor" and will make people switch to AM3+ and doing so they will be buying "the newer socket" and even pairing it with the "newer radeon card".

Yet despite being all "new" stuff, you can still think a Radeon HD5000 series or HD6000 is still good stuff and so is Phenom II X6, which is for some a much better purchase over an FX.

But I still think that Bulldozer is far from being a F22 when comparing it with a F16. To me both processors are decent performing, in some cases one is better than the other, and viceversa. The difference in percentage isn't anything to worry about, so its not like an F22 to me.

Winston_008 · Feb 20, 2012

So. i get from this article that bulldozer is great value if the only programs you use are winrar, truecrypt or pov ray.

xenocide · Feb 20, 2012

Winston_008 said:
So. i get from this article that bulldozer is great value if the only programs you use are winrar, truecrypt or pov ray.

The FX-8120/8150 are great if you only use heavily threaded applications. Otherwise either Phenom II or Sandy Bridge are much better.

Super XP · Feb 20, 2012

My FX 8120 @ 3.0 GHz (8- cores) blows away my last Phenom II x4 940 @3.0 GHz by far. Was Bulldozer a great upgrade for me ? Dam right it was and my cost for the mobo and ram to accompany my 8120 was dirt cheap.

You can put that in the bank...

Inceptor · Feb 20, 2012

Maybe it blows it away in multithreaded operation, but there's no way for it to pull ahead clock-for-clock in 1-to-4 thread operation, unless you're willing to allow it to draw large amounts of power. The deep instruction pipeline and server based design guarantees that a CPU of the Bulldozer family requires higher clock speeds to equal the performance of a Phenom II CPU with their shorter instruction pipelines, and more 'wrapped-up and complete' designs. The BD architecture is like a puzzle piece in a two piece puzzle, where the other piece is the as yet to be fully realized GPGPU that will be fully integrated with it.

To parry the possibly inevitable errors in reasoning concerning "clock-for-clock":
On the one hand, from some imaginary uber-objective/absolute viewpoint, you can compare clock-for-clock, but it's ultimately a synthetic comparison. You're comparing a short pipeline with a deep pipeline, and the different performance characteristics that derive from each of them; apples and oranges, so to speak.
On the other hand, by making the clock-for-clock comparison, what is wanted is to compare the technological sophistication or advancement. The question is whether the advancement which is not necessarily favourable for current software usage, but which will be favourable later on, is a good advancement. Obviously, there is a long term plan, and the plan is focused on APU development with its GPGPU and memory integrations.
What's the point of the 'nothing' conversation?

Stop staring at the 'trees' and 'rocks' and notice the whole 'forest' around you with its winding paths into the distance.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Feb 21, 2012

mtosev said:
I don't buy entry level hardware so I don't care who offers more at that price range. I know that AMD mostly dominates the entry and low midrange, when you get higher and higher AMD starts to fade away quickly

both your pc's look pretty entry level to me

this kinda post, tut ,shouldnt be necessary but you made it

NanoTechSoldier · Mar 10, 2012

There Is Nothing Physically Wrong, With AMD FX-8150 Or AMD Processors, For That Matter.. Their Held Back, By Poor Coding In Windows..

There ARE Problems With Windows 7 x64 & BD... Windows, IS Scripted For Intel Hyperthreading & Intel Instruction Sets... Over AMD Instruction Sets etc..

Basically, AMD CPUs, Have To Run Intel Instruction Sets In Programs, Before Their Own...

Which, I Call A Slight Handicap...

A Decently Programmed OS, WILL Make The FX-8150 Scream... An AMD Tuned Linux OS, WILL Show AMDs True Potential, In High-End Multi-Core Coding & Stable Speeds, @ +5GHz...

AMD Is Way Ahead Of Intel, In Many Areas Too... AMD Processor Development, Is Already @ 28nm In Size [GPU 7970]..

AMD Is Waiting To Pounce On Intel & Rip Their Throat Out.. Metaphorically..

Guiness World Record, Is Held By An AMD FX 8150 & ASUS CHVF MB... @ 8.429GHz...

Proving... That AMD Processors, Can Handle Extreme Temperatures Below 0 & Still Code @ Frequencies Over 8GHz..

How Long Will It Take Microsoft.. To Work Out All Their Bugs With AMD..?? It's Been Over 30 Years Already..

Microsoft Established on April 4, 1975 & AMD started Back In May 1, 1969.

Intel Went Public In October 13, 1971... AMDs Got A Couple Of Years On Intel...

There Are A Few BIOS Tweaks On ASUS CHVF MB.. That CAN Dramatically Increase Performance In AMD FX 8150 CPU...

ensabrenoir · Mar 10, 2012

Sniff ..sniff.......u smell that I smell ..........employee....no amd never even tried to defend it so its got to be the smell of delusion .........so thought we were past all of this.....it is simply what it is

repman244 · Mar 10, 2012

NanoTechSoldier said:
There Is Nothing Physically Wrong, With AMD FX-8150 Or AMD Processors, For That Matter.. Their Held Back, By Poor Coding In Windows..

There ARE Problems With Windows 7 x64 & BD... Windows, IS Scripted For Intel Hyperthreading & Intel Instruction Sets... Over AMD Instruction Sets etc..

Basically, AMD CPUs, Have To Run Intel Instruction Sets In Programs, Before Their Own...

Which, I Call A Slight Handicap...

A Decently Programmed OS, WILL Make The FX-8150 Scream... An AMD Tuned Linux OS, WILL Show AMDs True Potential, In High-End Multi-Core Coding & Stable Speeds, @ +5GHz...

AMD Is Way Ahead Of Intel, In Many Areas Too... AMD Processor Development, Is Already @ 28nm In Size [GPU 7970]..

AMD Is Waiting To Pounce On Intel & Rip Their Throat Out.. Metaphorically..

Guiness World Record, Is Held By An AMD FX 8150 & ASUS CHVF MB... @ 8.429GHz...

Proving... That AMD Processors, Can Handle Extreme Temperatures Below 0 & Still Code @ Frequencies Over 8GHz..

How Long Will It Take Microsoft.. To Work Out All Their Bugs With AMD..?? It's Been Over 30 Years Already..

Microsoft Established on April 4, 1975 & AMD started Back In May 1, 1969.

Intel Went Public In October 13, 1971... AMDs Got A Couple Of Years On Intel...

There Are A Few BIOS Tweaks On ASUS CHVF MB.. That CAN Dramatically Increase Performance In AMD FX 8150 CPU...

You can always use Linux...but the performance is the same.

So I guess it was Microsoft who made the Pentium 4 slow, hot and power hungry?

NanoTechSoldier · Mar 11, 2012

repman244 said:
You can always use Linux...but the performance is the same.

So I guess it was Microsoft who made the Pentium 4 slow, hot and power hungry?

MIcrosoft & Operating Systems, In General.. Have A BIG Part, In CPU Performance.. If "Microsoft" Hasn't Coded It Properly, For A CPU.. The CPU Won't Perform... The Motherboard BIOS, Is A BIG Part Too & If It's Not Coded For Windows Properly.. It WILL Be Unstable..

If A CPU, Is Released, After An OS Is On The Market.. The OS, WILL Have To Be Patched &/or Rewritten..

Seeing How, The AMD FX-8150, Is A Multi-Core CPU & Has 8 Cores etc...
The Multi-Processor Kernel, Has To Be Rewritten In Windows, To Utilize All 8 Cores...

Linux, On The Other Hand.. Is A OS That Uses Pure UNIX Coding & Is Easily Modified For Any Purpose Or CPU...

If You Don't Know What Your Doing In Linux & Can't Code It... You Won't See Any Differentiating Benefit From Windows..

Linux, Will Always Be Better, Than Windows & Always Has...

Windows 7, Still Has Issues From Win98.. Their Coding Old Problems, Into The New Operating Systems etc...

Another Thing.. AMD CPUs, Aren't Doing To Bad... When You Take Into Account, They're Only Using Dual Channel Memory, At The Moment & Intel, Are Using Triple Or Quad Channels, To Gain Performance...

Wait Until An AMD MB Uses Quad Channel Memory & Then See How The i7 Competes... Intel Will Fail BIG Time..

AMD CPUs, Have Half The Memory Throughput & They Still Compete With An Intel i7... The AMD FX, Is Waiting To Be Unleashed...

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Cooling	Stock
Memory	8GB Kingston hyperx 1600mhz
Video Card(s)	Asus directcu top HD5850
Storage	random 250gb
Display(s)	Philips 190b3
Case	antec 200 v2
Audio Device(s)	Integrated
Power Supply	Silverstone 600w strider essentials plus
Software	Windows 7 ultimate 64bit
Benchmark Scores	I once tagged my school desk.

Processor	Intel i7-10700k
Motherboard	Gigabyte Aurorus Ultra z490
Cooling	Corsair H100i RGB
Memory	32GB (4x8GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3200MHz
Video Card(s)	MSI Gaming Trio X 3070 LHR
Display(s)	ASUS MG278Q / AOC G2590FX
Case	Corsair X4000 iCue
Audio Device(s)	Onboard
Power Supply	Corsair RM650x 650W Fully Modular
Software	Windows 10

System Name	Multipurpose desktop
Processor	AMD Phenom II x6 1605T @ 3.75Ghz , NB @ 2.5
Motherboard	Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 (rev 1.0)
Cooling	Prolimatech Megahalems Rev. C, 2x120mm CM Blademaster
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LP (4x4GB) @1666Mhz 9-9-9-20-24 1T
Video Card(s)	ASUS Strix R7-370 4GB OC
Storage	2x WD Caviar Black 500GB Sata III in RAID 0
Display(s)	Acer S211HL 21.5" 1920x1080
Case	Cooler Master Centurion 534+, 3x 120mm CM Sickle Flow
Power Supply	Seasonic X650 Gold
Software	Windows 7 x64 Home Premium SP1

System Name	iJayo
Processor	i7 14700k
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX z790-E wifi
Cooling	Pearless Assasi
Memory	32 gigs Corsair Vengence
Video Card(s)	Nvidia RTX 2070 Super
Storage	1tb 840 evo, Itb samsung M.2 ssd 1 & 3 tb seagate hdd, 120 gig Hyper X ssd
Display(s)	42" Nec retail display monitor/ 34" Dell curved 165hz monitor
Case	O11 mini
Audio Device(s)	M-Audio monitors
Power Supply	LIan li 750 mini
Mouse	corsair Dark Saber
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121
Software	Window 11 pro
Benchmark Scores	meh... feel me on the battle field!