Affordable High Rez Monitors|whats the deal?

[bpgt64]

Why have 2560x1600 monitor prices remained in the 1k US level, I would have at least expected to see some price drops to the 800-600 range after there original release? Are manufacturing costs still high enough/yeilds bad enough to warrant the price tag? Why are we seeing monitors coming from South Korea in the 27 inch 2560x1440 range at 350 dollars, yet the cheapest US competitor is like 700? Are we leap frogging to 4k displays? Or is content just no where near using this level of resolution yet, thus not creating demand for it?

Just given Mac Book Pro's including of a retina display? I am hoping we'll see some cheaper alternatives(windows/linux based) laptops with that kind of display option?

 

[Fourstaff]

2560x1600 is still a niche market, mostly catered to professionals and early adopters. Korea can afford to sell the 27" for US$350 because they are more or less factory reject screens unfit for professional use (if you are unlucky) or excess stock (if you are lucky).

Give it a few years and the price should drop to the $500 level.

 

[BumbleBee]

Apple cherry picks the panels and the ones that don't make the cut get sold to the Korean companies.

 

[Deleted member 3]

Apple cherry picks the panels and the ones that don't make the cut get sold to the Korean companies.

Is that a fact or a myth? Source?

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

LG grades their own panels as A or A-. A goes to name brands like Dell and Apple and the rest are sold to anybody that wants them like those Korean brands.

 

[BumbleBee]

Is that a fact or a myth? Source?

you don't just trash a GPU that doesn't make the cut.

 

[Deleted member 3]

you don't just trash a GPU that doesn't make the cut.

And how does that relate to Apple cherry picking panels?

What LAN_deRf_HA says makes a lot more sense. I don't see a bunch of Apple employees testing each panel at the factory to pick the best 100.000.

 

[qubit]

That's interesting about the grading argument, but I don't know how true this is.

If a CPU or GPU has a slight fault, they just fuse off that section and give it a lower model number and price. The thing still works the same. However, if part of a display panel doesn't work, you have to dump the whole thing, hence I think this grading thing needs clarification.

 

[radrok]

That's interesting about the grading argument, but I don't know how true this is.

If a CPU or GPU has a slight fault, they just fuse off that section and give it a lower model number and price. The thing still works the same. However, if part of a display panel doesn't work, you have to dump the whole thing, hence I think this grading thing needs clarification.

Not necessarily, qubit, some manufacturers do not guarantee a Zero Pixel policy, if a panel has an acceptable number of dead pixels it gets commercialized anyway and that's why you can find some high res panels at lower prices, they can make a profit out of it by not discarding all the "unperfect" panels.

Companies like Dell/Hp cherry pick because they offer a Zero Pixel policy and that's why they cost that much, because out of a number of panels only a few make it out.

 

[theonedub]

For what its worth, the sellers of the PCBank, Crossover, Acheiva, etc monitors have said that the monitors they are selling are indeed A- panels that, in some way shape or form, have failed to meet top quality standards. If you read through the thousands of posts on these monitors on all the forums out there, people have already compared the panels to the Apple and DELL displays. All the Apple and DELLs have A graded LG panels, and all the Korean brands have A-.

One qualification of an A- screen is something like up to 5 dead pixels. The panels are functional (its not an all or nothing 'thing'), but even 1 dead pixel is too many for the quality DELL and Apple are providing, so they do not take any A- panels.

 

[qubit]

Not necessarily, qubit, some manufacturers do not guarantee a Zero Pixel policy, if a panel has an acceptable number of dead pixels it gets commercialized anyway and that's why you can find some high res panels at lower prices, they can make a profit out of it by not discarding all the "unperfect" panels.

Companies like Dell/Hp cherry pick because they offer a Zero Pixel policy and that's why they cost that much, because out of a number of panels only a few make it out.

Ah yes of course, the dead pixels, I'd forgotten about them. Thanks. I'd only ever accept zero dead pixels myself.

Got a little story: my 1920x1200 Iiyama monitor is a great piece of kit with a lovely picture and has no dead/faulty pixels. Then one day I noticed a small, but obvious and annoying black "dash" 75% of the way across and 25% of the way up. I tried to clean it off, but couldn't. Looking more closely at it, I realized that it was actually a scratch! A deep one at that, which I can't remove and can actually be felt with a finger. What gets me, is that I'd only had it less than a year and I'm always so damned careful not to touch the screen. I have no idea how it got there.

It's remains annoying and for this reason alone, I'm considering changing a monitor that I'm otherwise happy with to a new one. Damned shame. :shadedshu

 

[bpgt64]

I have no dead pixels in mine...atleast I can't tell if there there or not.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

It's usually more than dead pixels. I've seen color unevenness that's mainly apparent on white back drops. Dead or stuck pixels usually are pretty hard to see at this resolution. My friend's crossover has some, was able to rub a few out right away, the rest can only be seen on a full black background.

 

[de.das.dude]

yeah BP currently has a thread about her screen having a weird streak

 

[BumbleBee]

And how does that relate to Apple cherry picking panels?

What LAN_deRf_HA says makes a lot more sense. I don't see a bunch of Apple employees testing each panel at the factory to pick the best 100.000.

of course LG grades them. this has been going on in televisions for years. LG manufactures the panel to Apple spec. there are only a couple display manufacturers in the world because it's such a large and expensive operation like manufacturing GPU, so you can't recycle panels that don't make the cut in a production run.

 

[Deleted member 3]

of course LG grades them. this has been going on in televisions for years. LG manufactures the panel to Apple spec. there are only a couple display manufacturers in the world because it's such a large and expensive operation like manufacturing GPU, so you can't recycle panels that don't make the cut in a production run.

So, we can conclude only two things:

-The factory makes sure the products they produce work.
-Apple does not cherry pick anything, they just order panels and get what they order.


A, perhaps a third. If Deal extreme places the same order as Apple they get the same panels. Obviously they pay the same higher price.