FX-9590 Temperatures too High with Factory FX-8150 Water Cooler

[Ravenas]

Possible bro

I really hate coming off my pocket without knowing the root cause but I just can't see another way to fix it without throwing more cooling on the processor.

 

[eidairaman1]

Only thing i can see is llc being a goof, with that you need active vrm cooling.

 

[newtekie1]

That extra 4 pin is for the pcie slots make sure you plug the correct cable in

No it is not, it is for the CPU.

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Ouch! 1.5v and it is running at 1.475v, no wonder those VRMs are overheating. Drop the voltage to 1.375v and see what happens, and make sure the voltage is actually 1.375 in CPU-z. If you have to drop the multiplier to below stock to keep the processor stable, do it. Your motherboard is not going to last long the way it is now.

 

[Ravenas]

No it is not, it is for the CPU.



Ouch! 1.5v and it is running at 1.475v, no wonder those VRMs are overheating. Drop the voltage to 1.375v and see what happens, and make sure the voltage is actually 1.375 in CPU-z. If you have to drop the multiplier to below stock to keep the processor stable, do it. Your motherboard is not going to last long the way it is now.

Ok I'm just trying to follow your logic here. You're saying drop the voltage to 1.375 when it requires 1.5v? I have an 8350 I would rather not drop the multiplier unless I have to because it doesn't make sense to use a processor that consumes more power than my 8350 and runs at the same speed.

 

[OneMoar]

Ok I'm just trying to follow your logic here. You're saying drop the voltage to 1.375 when it requires 1.5v? I have an 8350 I would rather not drop the multiplier unless I have to because it doesn't make sense to use a processor that consumes more power than my 8350 and runs at the same speed.

if you lower the multi/voltage so you are <4.5Ghz MAX that should take enough load off the VRM's to stablize the system we keep telling you that the problem is the VRM and you aren't listening.
that board just can't handle without active cooling on the VRM's
the 95x0's are absolute monster's when it comes to power consumption even a high end board like the crosshair z is gonna have issues without manual tweaking of voltages and additional cooling there is no such thing as plug-n-play in this case
see here
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48794-Problems-stabilizing-FX-9590-on-Crosshair-V-Formula-Z
and here
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...mula-Z-issues-random-hanging-and-black-screen

 

[Ravenas]

if you lower the multi/voltage so you are <4.5Ghz MAX that should take enough load off the VRM's to stablize the system we keep telling you that the problem is the VRM and you aren't listening.
that board just can't handle without active cooling on the VRM's
the 95x0's are absolute monster's when it comes to power consumption even a high end board like the crosshair z is gonna have issues without manual tweaking of voltages and additional cooling there is no such thing as plug-n-play in this case
see here
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48794-Problems-stabilizing-FX-9590-on-Crosshair-V-Formula-Z
and here
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...mula-Z-issues-random-hanging-and-black-screen

I've listened to what everyone is saying. I have been reading that the max operating temp is 60 degrees C on the processor. Does it not also make sense that if I can't keep the CPU temp below 60 degreew C then that can be causing the freezing that occurs every time when the CPU reaches 60 degrees C... Every single time. You say the VRMS causing the problem but neither you or I have anyway of getting the temp of the beyond what is disappearing off the heat sink. All in saying is that the problem isn't solved in my opinion. I think it is a possibility that's it's the VRMs

 

[OneMoar]

62C is the ""MAX RECOMMENDED"" for 24/7 usage its not the ABSOLUTE MAX that`s about 80c to its also where the CPU core will start to throttle
you should not be encountering any stability issues until 70c
lowering the CPU temp is not gonna have any effect on the VRM temp ... not on watercooling ..
if you wanna confirm that the VRM/power is the issue lower the multi and core voltage if the crashing stops then thats your issue

 

[Batou1986]

62C is the ""MAX RECOMMENDED"" for 24/7 usage its not the ABSOLUTE MAX that`s about 80c to its also where the CPU core will start to throttle
you should not be encountering any stability issues until 70c
lowering the CPU temp is not gonna have any effect on the VRM temp ... not on watercooling ..
if you wanna confirm that the VRM/power is the issue lower the multi and core voltage if the crashing stops then thats your issue

That's not true, if you hit 70* on an FX chip your doing serious damage.

I've listened to what everyone is saying. I have been reading that the max operating temp is 60 degrees C on the processor. Does it not also make sense that if I can't keep the CPU temp below 60 degreew C then that can be causing the freezing that occurs every time when the CPU reaches 60 degrees C... Every single time. You say the VRMS causing the problem but neither you or I have anyway of getting the temp of the beyond what is disappearing off the heat sink. All in saying is that the problem isn't solved in my opinion. I think it is a possibility that's it's the VRMs

At this point there is only one way to tell, and that is to swap to a different cooler.

Honestly its not worth the hassle your better off putting money towards an new Intel CPU/Mobo combo, even at 220w and 5ghz an i5 will run circles around the FX95xx using 1/4th the power.
Not to mention its not substantially faster IRL than the 81xx 125w cpu you had in before.

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

When my h100 died I hit 62 and the rig freaked the hell out. I rebooted a fews times trying to figure out what the hell was going on and everytime the temp went above 60 something bad happened. Either hard locked, bsod, or rebooted. once I got the temps back in check all was good and has been rock solid. Oh and this is the same chip I had under air running right at 50c rock solid @ 4.4.

 

[cadaveca]

I'd say to check that there isn't an air bubble in the pump head. These AIO coolers require a specific orientation when mounting them, or the performance is quite poor. If you cannot fix the issue that way, the only option you have is to upgrade cooling as some have suggested. At the same time, having a AIO cooler means that you need a bit more case airflow too, as suggested, so the basic principal is the same...cooling issue.

 

[Batou1986]

Oh and this is the same chip I had under air running right at 50c rock solid @ 4.4.

Was that with the xigmatek ? how much did temps improve ?
I'm at 4.2 @ 1.350v 52* on a xigmatek

 

[Ravenas]

62C is the ""MAX RECOMMENDED"" for 24/7 usage its not the ABSOLUTE MAX that`s about 80c to its also where the CPU core will start to throttle
you should not be encountering any stability issues until 70c
lowering the CPU temp is not gonna have any effect on the VRM temp ... not on watercooling ..
if you wanna confirm that the VRM/power is the issue lower the multi and core voltage if the crashing stops then thats your issue

Unfortunately I've seen several posts of people claiming they experience hard locks whenever they hit 60 degrees or higher with this chip. It can't be ruled out that the chip could have a operational limit 60c. It seems extremely hard to rule out that every single time my CPU hits 60c my computer hard locks.

 

[Ravenas]

I'd say to check that there isn't an air bubble in the pump head. These AIO coolers require a specific orientation when mounting them, or the performance is quite poor. If you cannot fix the issue that way, the only option you have is to upgrade cooling as some have suggested. At the same time, having a AIO cooler means that you need a bit more case airflow too, as suggested, so the basic principal is the same...cooling issue.

I've used my AIO to exhaust heat when using my 8350. I'm considering changing that and intaking air to help cool. How can I check for an air bubble?

 

[Batou1986]

Unfortunately I've seen several posts of people claiming they experience hard locks whenever they hit 60 degrees or higher with this chip. It can't be ruled out that the chip could have a operational limit 60c. It seems extremely hard to rule out that every single time my CPU hits 60c my computer hard locks.

Its highly likely that their is a special code in the bios's or built into the chip for the 95xx series that does this simply because they are already running very close to their limits.

 

[cadaveca]

I've used my AIO to exhaust heat when using my 8350. I'm considering changing that and intaking air to help cool. How can I check for an air bubble?

I'd pull the cooler and run it with the rad sitting on top the case, if possible, with hoses hanging down. I had that FX cooler, and it worked pretty well, so either you got a really hot CPU, or something is up with the cooler itself.

 

[newtekie1]

Ok I'm just trying to follow your logic here. You're saying drop the voltage to 1.375 when it requires 1.5v? I have an 8350 I would rather not drop the multiplier unless I have to because it doesn't make sense to use a processor that consumes more power than my 8350 and runs at the same speed.

What overclock did you have on the 8350? I'm saying try lowering it to 1.375v and see if it is stable first, if it isn't then drop the multiplier. Actually, disable turbo first to keep the processor to 4.7GHz, if that still isn't stable then drop the speed down to 4.6GHz.

As for the 9590 using more power than the 8350, that is only because of the higher clock speed and voltage. If you drop the voltage and the clock speed, the 9590 isn't going to be using more power anymore. Also, if you pushed the 8350 up near 4.7-4.6GHz with the similar 1.375v, then the 8350 would be using basically the same amount of power.

 

[Ravenas]

I was

What overclock did you have on the 8350? I'm saying try lowering it to 1.375v and see if it is stable first, if it isn't then drop the multiplier. Actually, disable turbo first to keep the processor to 4.7GHz, if that still isn't stable then drop the speed down to 4.6GHz.

As for the 9590 using more power than the 8350, that is only because of the higher clock speed and voltage. If you drop the voltage and the clock speed, the 9590 isn't going to be using more power anymore. Also, if you pushed the 8350 up near 4.7-4.6GHz with the similar 1.375v, then the 8350 would be using basically the same amount of power.

I was having to use around 1.5v to get my 8350 to achieve 4.8Ghz. I never had heat issues like I do with this processor. Yes sometimes I would be hitting 47c but never temps like this processor is hitting (60c) in only 1 minute of 100% stress. This is with the same water cooler I'm currently using.

 

[cadaveca]

I was

I was having to use around 1.5v to get my 8350 to achieve 4.8Ghz. I never had heat issues like I do with this processor. Yes sometimes I would be hitting 47c but never temps like this processor is hitting (60c) in only 1 minute of 100% stress.

Everyy CPu is different, seem normal to me that the 220W CPU would run hotter... higher-leakage CPUs do tend to clock better, so the 80W TDP increase would have to come from somewhere...

 

[Ravenas]

I was able to have stable stress for 15 minutes with my voltage at 1.375 at 4.5 Ghz. I turned off turbo core, VRM over temperature protection, and put CPU LLC on 50%. I am going to continue testing at different voltages.

 

[eidairaman1]

Any luck?

 

[Steevo]

Once each chip reaches a critical threshold for temperature the leakage and thus heat becomes a run away train, and its exactly why Intel has such tight voltage control on their newer smaller process chips, its what causes tunneling and electrostatic discharge, the inrush of current as the gates open and close and capacitive build up will destroy a chip, and exactly why temperatures, caused by either poor cooling, from the AIO, die to IHS interface ( I know its soldered), the IHS itself cause this runaway stability effect.


At the end of the day he **SHOULD** have enough cooling capacity to keep it reasonably cool assuming his room isn't 30C or hotter and he has decent airflow to the radiator.


But until its verified that the VRM's are the issue and not the cooling in one function or another, I would assume for safety that its damaging the die when it fails as it may have reached the threshold for heat and leakage before it becomes a cascade effect, and the reasonable course is to, as has been stated to lower the speed and voltage, and if needed I would get a laser thermometer to check the VRM's, and also the area around the socket.

When you pulled the block off was there any noticeably thicker areas of TIM? Most of the time you should have the ring of where the edge of the IHS was, and barely enough left in the middle to show a haze, and you should be able to read the lettering on the IHS. If not you may benefit from lapping the IHS.

 

[Deleted member 6693]

Hmmm
My 9590 never get past 32 degrees celcius on idle, and 48 degrees celsius is the high´st temp under load.
Before, when I had problems like yours, the idle was around the same but the load temp got around 65-68 degrees celcius.
I bought a new AIO cooler Corsair H110 Extreme (the old was a Corsair H60) and some person from TPU told me to get a cooler on the VRM,
so I did - and now it is fine.
I know that the CPU´s can variate from package to package, the AIO´s can variate, the IHS´s can variate, the motoherboard can variate and even
the PSU can variate.......but from what you told us, your gear should be up for it......

 

[Ravenas]

My computer has become stable at 3.5 Ghz with 1.365 volts (which is far less power than I was having to use for my 8350 to reach 3.5 Ghz). I have enabled turbo core to 4.7 Ghz with no results, I'm assuming because of lack of voltage?

I will be investing in a VRM cooler, a H110 and a 640D case in the near future but for now I at least want my turbo core to be the base clock of the processor. I currently have the multiplier for the turbo core set to 23.5 although I'm not seeing any results.

Additionally thanks to everyone for you help.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

I would like to see a screen shot of the Chill Control Software screen under load.

H220-X With that cooler, assuming that someone makes a block for the VRM's for your motherboard, you could liquid cool them as well.
Peet has a nice case at a nice price, if you don't mind yellow: Peet's Rock Bottom Deals! I got a case from him and it was perfect.

I am not convinced that your cooler does not have the capacity to cool your CPU. Look at the cooler that AMD uses with the R9 295 which has to cool ~400+ watts. There may be something wrong with your cooler or the way that it is installed, but I think it's adequate. If I were in your shoes, I'd start with the case and a re-install of the cooler.

 

[Ravenas]

I would like to see a screen shot of the Chill Control Software screen under load.

H220-X With that cooler, assuming that someone makes a block for the VRM's for your motherboard, you could liquid cool them as well.
Peet has a nice case at a nice price, if you don't mind yellow: Peet's Rock Bottom Deals! I got a case from him and it was perfect.

I am not convinced that your cooler does not have the capacity to cool your CPU. Look at the cooler that AMD uses with the R9 295 which has to cool ~400+ watts. There may be something wrong with your cooler or the way that it is installed, but I think it's adequate. If I were in your shoes, I'd start with the case and a re-install of the cooler.

I agree. I'm going to try a different case. I don't really want to go full tower (I see that peet has one). I would rather go mid-tower 650D if I could get away with it. TPU gave it a great review and you can mount a dual water cooler inside.