Intel to Launch Just Two LGA1150 "Broadwell" Parts

[Petey Plane]

nice? that will be like a dream



so if a brave i5 can handle just imagine what an i7 of sandy and Ivy can do?

Is not worth enough to replace your current Sandy or Ivy Bridge unit for a broadwell one, mostly on gaming an OCed i5 2500K can handle all what you will do with a new processor, we recommend people o buy haswell for new builds because availability and also opportunity, prices between brand new sandies, ivys and haswell are not so big, so for a couple of dollars more getting recent units is a solid unit.

Also for work and light work the old intel Core 2 Quad are brave units, I have a previous gen Intel i7 for work and hard work, also it is crunching too, so we can add Lynnfield to our veterans list,

Lynnfield, Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge are brave enough for a couple of years more of gaming, working and whatever you want,

I was the original "OCed 2500k can handle anything" poster. Nothing i currently use my PC for (Battlefield 4/Hardline, Rome: Total War 2, GIMP) is bottlenecked by the 2500k (especially at 4.6ghz, on air) at 1080p. 2500K... great CPU... or greatest CPU?

the GTX670 on the other hand? Yep, once the Freesync/G-Sync 1440 monitors drop below $500, that will get replaced.

 

[peche]

my principal question still...
do these new unit will have soldered IHS ? so delidding them will not be necesary?

Regards,

 

[MikeMurphy]

i think my Ivy its gona last 3 years more,

With the trend towards low-power, efficient computing, I think desktop IVB chips will stay relevant for a remarkably long period. For example, a sandy bridge era laptop CPU still runs circles in performance around the new ultra-low voltage CPUs.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I was excited until I saw 3.3 GHz. At 65w is pretty impressive but I'd rather have 4+ GHz at 90-120w. I guess that makes my mind up on LGA2011.

 

[BorisDG]

Let's see how they will overclock and what temp will reach, so everyone can decide to upgrade or not to. I'm considering to buy one as I said before and replace my Pentium K which is very nice chip anyways for the price. The 5775C will be speedy cpu anyways - unlocked, low consuption, powerful igpu, quad core, HT ... excellent!

 

[buildzoid]

I was waiting for these to come out because i want to build an LGA 1150 system. But if these don't clock well I'll just continue with avoid the mainstream intel CPUs.

 

[peche]

With the trend towards low-power, efficient computing, I think desktop IVB chips will stay relevant for a remarkably long period. For example, a sandy bridge era laptop CPU still runs circles in performance around the new ultra-low voltage CPUs.

agreed,

I was waiting for these to come out because i want to build an LGA 1150 system. But if these don't clock well I'll just continue with avoid the mainstream intel CPUs.

does im the only one here that wasn't waiting for them ?

Regards,

 

[BorisDG]

For you having a high-end chip for LGA1155 - normal. If you are looking for an upgrade, Skylake is the choice for you. But for me having a budget Pentium - Broadwell is the right CPU. I'm not liking Haswell CPUs at this point. We'll see after all.

 

[xorbe]

i think my Ivy its gona last 3 years more,

Like the poster suggested that you responded to, my 2500k is becoming problematic -- electrically things seem to break down after a while! Overclocking certainly doesn't help longevity. It didn't matter when we changed PC guts every 12-18 months back in the day. I've cooked my 2500k setup, and have begrudgingly started a 4790k build, which I am not going to cook with a big overclock since apparently it's also going to need to last 3-5 years without failing.

 

[newtekie1]

I was excited until I saw 3.3 GHz. At 65w is pretty impressive but I'd rather have 4+ GHz at 90-120w. I guess that makes my mind up on LGA2011.

These are unlocked parts for enthusiasts, stock clock speed and power consumption don't really matter.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Like the poster suggested that you responded to, my 2500k is becoming problematic -- electrically things seem to break down after a while! Overclocking certainly doesn't help longevity. It didn't matter when we changed PC guts every 12-18 months back in the day. I've cooked my 2500k setup, and have begrudgingly started a 4790k build, which I am not going to cook with a big overclock since apparently it's also going to need to last 3-5 years without failing.

That was the advantage of ivy bridge to me. the 3570k I had could do 4.2 GHz while undervolted by 125mv, so no longetivity problems there! It could also run at its turbo clock (3.8GHz) at a -300mv undervolt. loved that thing.
hopefully broadwell is even better in that respect. not having a big cooler and having a cpu pulling ~35w is nice.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

These chips might be epic for WCG crunching.

 

[Aquinus]

eDRAM cache is only on GT3 silicon, which only comes in BGA package, not LGA1150.

Where did you read that? Iris Pro on Broadwell is supposed to be GT3e. Are you saying that the new Iris Pro doesn't have the eDRAM cache? Could you provide a source to validate that statement because I think you said that without any source to back up the claim.

So, to defend my point, I'll provide a source supporting my argument, so according to you, WCCF Tech is wrong.

Intel’s Broadwell Desktop Platform Gets Core i7-5775C and Core i5-5675C Processors In Q2 2015
The two processors which are known as Core i7-5775C and Core i5-5675C are unlocked processors even though they use the “C” series branding unlike the “K” series models which Intel had labeled on their previous unlocke processors. There’s no reason explained for this name change but it doesn’t change anything and the new CPUs are exactly what we had expected to be earlier. The Core i7 and Core i5 parts are going to feature a 65W TDP (Thermal Design Power) and the latest Iris Pro Graphcis 6200 iGPU which has eDRAM cache embedded to feed the execution units with faster memory for smoother execution process as opposed to the system ram which is limited in terms of bandwidth.

Source link

According to this, the GT3e graphics has been added to the skt1150 lineup, starting with Broadwell.

 

[hardcore_gamer]

the GTX670 on the other hand? Yep, once the Freesync/G-Sync 1440 monitors drop below $500, that will get replaced.

You are in luck. Acer XG270HU, 1440p, FreeSync Monitor was announced recently with a $499 price tag.

 

[Caring1]

Where did you read that? Iris Pro on Broadwell is supposed to be GT3e. Are you saying that the new Iris Pro doesn't have the eDRAM cache? Could you provide a source to validate that statement because I think you said that without any source to back up the claim.

So, to defend my point, I'll provide a source supporting my argument, so according to you, WCCF Tech is wrong.


Source link

According to this, the GT3e graphics has been added to the skt1150 lineup, starting with Broadwell.

This site seems to confirm that they have e-dram, although it is all preliminary info.
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core i7-5775C.html

 

[FordGT90Concept]

These are unlocked parts for enthusiasts, stock clock speed and power consumption don't really matter.

*cough*Intel® Core™ i7-5820K*cough*
6 cores (12 threads) vs 4 cores (8 threads)
3.3 Ghz (3.6 GHz turbo) vs 3.3 GHz (3.8 GHz turbo)
15 MiB Cache vs 6 MiB
none vs Iris Pro 6200
DDR4 vs DDR3L
140w vs 65w
Haswell-E vs Broadwell
unlocked vs unlocked
~$385 vs ~$320

Broadwell-E doesn't look like it is coming until 2016. It is expected to feature 20 MiB cache versus Broadwell's 6 MiB.

It seems like the choice is a no-brainer. These Broadwell chips don't impress.

 

[Aquinus]

*cough*Intel® Core™ i7-5820K*cough*
6 cores (12 threads) vs 4 cores (8 threads)
3.3 Ghz (3.6 GHz turbo) vs 3.3 GHz (3.8 GHz turbo)
15 MiB Cache vs 6 MiB
none vs Iris Pro 6200
DDR4 vs DDR3L
140w vs 65w
Haswell-E vs Broadwell
unlocked vs unlocked
~$385 vs ~$320

Broadwell-E doesn't look like it is coming until 2016. It is expected to feature 20 MiB cache versus Broadwell's 6 MiB.

It seems like the choice is a no-brainer. These Broadwell chips don't impress.

Just remember that you'll be paying more for DDR4 and that skt2011-3 board and that most applications don't really care if you have 4c/8t or 6c/12t. To simply reduce this argument to CPU cost is laughable and I suspect that the Broadwell CPU will probably overclock a lot better given the extra overhead with respect to heat at stock. I also suspect that Intel will probably put DDR4 on mainstream once they switch sockets again. Until then, I would expect DDR3 and as it stands right now, DDR4 has very little to offer over DDR3 with respect to tangible gains.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

-DDR4 costs more now but 5 years from now, it will cost less than DDR3L per density. I just bought 3x4 GiB sticks for my current 6 year old machine and they cost a lot less than the 3x2 GiB sticks I bought when I originally made it.
-Yeah, LGA 2011v3 boards do cost more because of doubling the pin count but that translates to higher bandwidth which is necessary to meet the needs of 6+ cores.
-I buy computers for 5+ years. Lots of games can already stress quad cores (see Battlefield 4) and with DirectX 12 coming, quad-cores could become a bottleneck.
-I would not count on Broadwell overclocking much. 14nm is proving more difficult than Intel anticipated. On top of that, I have no interest in overclocking.
-Some early Skylake chips will have DDR4 capability but it will be on a temporary DIMM slot design that accepts DDR3L and DDR4. Skylake is not very appealing because upgrading memory in the future may prove as expensive as DDR3L due to that proprietary design. LGA 2011v3 has no such design flaw.
-I'll let Micron prove your wrong on DDR3 compared to DDR4. Short version: more bandwidth, less power.

 

[BorisDG]

-I'll let Micron prove your wrong on DDR3 compared to DDR4. Short version: more bandwidth, less power.

On paper. See benchmarks for info.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

That has happened everytime DDR incremented. At first, the new version about matches the old version in performance but does so with less power, less heat, and potentially higher density. A few years down the road, the processors catch up and we'll eventually see DDR4 sticks that are twice as fast as DDR3. DDR3 does not exceed 2133; DDR4 is already planned to go to at least 3200. The reason DDR3 was pushed to 2133 is because DDR4 is rather delayed in coming; DDR3 was originally intended to stop at 1600 where DDR4 starts.

DDR4 should be able to achieve densities of 32 GiB per stick without doing anything crazy.

 

[BorisDG]

Yes, but at the moment is not a good choice. After 1-2 years will be great for sure.

p.p. Probably you know that there are 3000MHz Dominators from a long time.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

That's not standard; that's overclocking memory. DDR4-3200 is in the standard--no overclocking necessary unless the processor doesn't support it.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

That's not standard; that's overclocking memory. DDR4-3200 is in the standard--no overclocking necessary unless the processor doesn't support it.

if 3000 isn't standard then 3200 isn't standard....

Pretty sure native speed for DDR4 memory controllers right now is 2133. So anything above that is considered an overclock.

 

[LightningJR]

Yeah, still see no reason to upgrade from my 2500K. Probably will look at Skylake, with mainstream DDR4 support, but may even wait for the 10nm "Tick" of that. There is pretty much nothing a 4.6ghz 2500k can't currently handle with ease.

Ive noticed in the past year this becoming false..

I have a 2500k @ 4.7-4.8Ghz and playing Cities: Skylines with 6 plots & 65k ppl at full speed I get CPU bottlenecked. 90-100% CPU usage on all cores with GPU usage at 75%. Also noticed NBA 2k15 running around 75-85% on all cores which made it impossible to stream or record(without using shadowplay).

With the small ~10% bump in performance per clock with each new generation I feel it may soon be time to upgrade my CPU. I think maybe Intels newest 6 core 2011-v3 might be the way to go though since most games are multithreaded properly these days.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

if 3000 isn't standard then 3200 isn't standard....

Pretty sure native speed for DDR4 memory controllers right now is 2133. So anything above that is considered an overclock.

Which is my point. DDR3-2133 is the max the DDR3 standard allows; DDR4-3200 is the max the DDR4 standard allows. There are already DDR4-3200 sticks available and the fastest available overclocking memory right now is DDR4-3333 (bound to go higher). DDR4 has DDR3 beat in every way right now except cost.