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Your Opinion on NEW Amd Rebrand's & "Fiji" Gpu's

What's the point of unboxing and reviews here? We've done this shit 2 years ago. Why do it again? Because of the new box and stickers on the card? GTFO
 
Eh, I'm in the market to buy again but for my needs, I want the best performance for the money that also gives me the best longevity like I have with my 460s. It isn't there with nVidia and I've known that since Maxwell launched. 970s will be dumped in droves come next year. 980s, aren't much better. Only nVidia cards that show potential is the Ti and Titan but no way in heck I'm gonna spend that much. Fury currently is the only GPU that shows any potential. The trouble is, I'm sure its going to come in close to $500. Thats over my budget. So in comes 390...the 8GB VRAM is very attractive to me. Price is there, but if its completely old tech...it would be a better option to just sit for a bit longer until the budget gets better to handle a Fury.
 
Eh, I'm in the market to buy again but for my needs, I want the best performance for the money that also gives me the best longevity like I have with my 460s. It isn't there with nVidia and I've known that since Maxwell launched. 970s will be dumped in droves come next year. 980s, aren't much better. Only nVidia cards that show potential is the Ti and Titan but no way in heck I'm gonna spend that much. Fury currently is the only GPU that shows any potential. The trouble is, I'm sure its going to come in close to $500. Thats over my budget. So in comes 390...the 8GB VRAM is very attractive to me. Price is there, but if its completely old tech...it would be a better option to just sit for a bit longer until the budget gets better to handle a Fury.
old or proven or ahead of its time.. whatever but the 290x seems to kik the 980's ass in a few aspects that are not even fully realized.
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2015/05/12/major-new-features-of-directx-12
https://community.amd.com/community...mance-in-new-3dmark-api-overhead-feature-test
here is real information about dx12 if anyone wants it instead of half ass articles and rambling misinformation
r series+ gpu's will support dx12.0 that covers all the cpu optimization that will let your gpu and cpu render and draw scenes more efficiently/faster and you need windows 10 with supported software.
dx12.1 that no gpu is right now will bring more gpu specific features.
much simpler than it is made out to be.
 
like AMD is the only company to rebrand chips. I guess maybe the issue is with rebranding midrange cards?
I remember a few years ago when nVIDIA was rebranding cards and people were furious (dont ask what ones because I dont remember. May have been with the GTX 5xx series or the series before that). But now that AMD is doing it, there isnt the backlash like what nVIDIA got.
Yea both AMD and Nvidia do it. IMO its fine to do it once. Making a new gpu arch is not easy and takes time. But do to a rebrand that span's cross 3 generations high end cards is not good. Have to throw out the old ever few years and replace it with new so can have all latest features. Kinda like how intel does it ever 2-3 years they do a new socket. Yea part of it is the make money but it allows them to add newest things natively in to the chipset, m.2, NVME, usb3.1, etc.

Moving stack down to low end would be ok but top half need to be replaced ever 2 years.

Just a hint on that, unless you're planning to buy Radeon Fury 2, you can forget about HBM and 14nm GPU on R9-490 series. With their current path, they'll just sell you current Fury as R9-490... Meaning you can kiss goodbye the 14nm...
Wouldn't shock me if its that way. But would believe that Pascel gpu from nvidia will be limited to top end cards as well to start with but can't say for sure since that isn't for another year.

I find it very disturbing AMD has absolutely nothing new to show off in the price range that sells most. I am afraid no matter how good Fiji is, it is not selling enough volumes to make a difference in whole picture. Expecting even more so diminishing market share and yet another financial loss in the H2/2015. :(
Yea about only think seems to be happening is AMD is changing names of the gpu's in their rebrand to make it seem like they are "new" like how 390x is named Grenada, but GPU-Z says its hawaii (could be older gpu-z version thing) but card does report same strings as 290x did. A guy/girl got their hands on a 390x over on hardocp forum.

390x
7D9d6SG.jpg


290(user said his 290 shows.)
1. Device: Hawaiin 1.1 Hardware version: OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (1642.5)n 1.2 Softwa
re version: 1642.5 (VM)n 1.3 OpenCL C version: OpenCL C 2.0 n 1.4 Parallel compu
te units: 40n

Archived footage of AMD engineer talking about Radeon R9-390X back in October 2014...

View attachment 65761
it should say "up to 8gb of vram" and should say GCN 1.1 as well since that looks like it will be that and cause that no compression.
 
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What's the point of unboxing and reviews here? We've done this shit 2 years ago. Why do it again? Because of the new box and stickers on the card? GTFO

Well, 2 years ago there wasn't 8GBs of VRAM, but there sure was not too long ago (XFX model and others) so I'll grant you your point...
 
My opinion is that it's a good thing AMD has all these console contracts to keep them afloat because they have flunked right out of the PC market on both fronts.
 
My opinion is that it's a good thing AMD has all these console contracts to keep them afloat because they have flunked right out of the PC market on both fronts.
the apu's they make are better than the competition on most fronts and higher resolutions.. even on things like facial recognition and finger print identification. havnt even seen what carrizo can do.. kaveri the worlds best soc for dx12!
so what where you saying before hsa was developed?:shadedshu:
 
the apu's they make are better than the competition on most fronts and higher resolutions.. even on things like facial recognition and finger print identification. havnt even seen what carrizo can do.. kaveri the worlds best soc for dx12!
so what where you saying before hsa was developed?:shadedshu:

I don't know how SoC fits into the PC market but you just go ahead spouting PR nonsense while I laugh at you.
 
how does it not? intel cant even match kaveri without a gpu backing it up. at least 2 generations behind

you sound old and hating change.. sorry amd's apu's are better for a lot of companies, htpc's and advancing for budget gaming
 
how does it not? intel cant even match kaveri without a gpu backing it up. at least 2 generations behind

you sound old and hating change.. sorry amd's apu's are better for a lot of companies, htpc's and advancing for budget gaming

Budget gaming is the only remotely competitive segment they might have in cpuland ...
 
how does it not? intel cant even match kaveri without a gpu backing it up. at least 2 generations behind

you sound old and hating change.. sorry amd's apu's are better for a lot of companies, htpc's and advancing for budget gaming

Yes me and AMD are apparently in the same "hating change boat" that's why all of their cards are rebrands.

I still fail to see your point if you want to talk about the SoC and APU markets then we are talking about consoles.
AMD makes far more money off the chips in every console on the market right now than they do the PC/HTPC APU market.
Those console chips are basically 7xxx equivalents :laugh:
 
well yeah intel is king of data analytics but there is a middle ground where amd takes over on value for providing what some people need even if they dont know it sadly.

they arnt stupid... they know being the only company that produces gpu's and cpu's puts them in a unique position... one that they have been leveraging.

nvidia really puts up a shame of a competition outside of being more efficient with proprietary everything and shoty game works gunking up the gaming world so its a good thing amd has been there to one up them like always.
 
So, today they are released officially right? 16th June?
 
The problem is that AMD does not have the market share to just release a gaming cards like nVidia (ala Maxwell). Thus, I assume, they could not make their money back by making a more "efficient" design and try to make their profits back on just sales to gamers. I'm of course assuming that Fiji will have FP64 capabilities.

Sadly because of the slow down in node shrinks, this is going to become more and more common from here on out.
 
hate all rebrands. product or company doesn't matter
 
To that end, a rebrand is depressing but not unreasonable. TSMC has dropped the ball here, and both AMD and Nvidia are left with a largely crap situation.
Partly of their own making. TSMC became the juggernaut it is today in large part because, with very few exceptions, every other pure play foundry was shunned by both AMD and Nvidia. Both companies kept TSMC gainfully occupied as UMC, Chartered Semi et al were used as solely as extra capacity for TSMC. There is also the case of Globalfoundries, who have never met a timetable it couldn't shit all over. Remember when GloFo (+Chartered Semi) were going to take the high power performance IC market by storm?
GlobalFoundries_Roadmap.jpg


Even allowing for the canned 14XM process, the company basically went to sleep on its 28SHP process, while 20LPM pretty much became a byword for M.I.A. and silently disappeared from the companies product lists with barely a whimper.
Honestly, neither Nvidia nor AMD have offered anything substantially better than what we had two generations ago (in the mid-tier price).
True. Also due to a number of conditions I think. Amortization of R&D. Both GCN and Maxwell/Kepler offer comparable performance, so going balls to the wall is best saved for a new graphics environment. Just as Nvidia's Curie and ATI's R400 architectures stagnated due to thumb-twiddling by MS over getting past DirectX 9, with fresh impetus and incentive to innovate as the DX11 arrived, the same - I think- can be said for DX12/Vulkan. The present architectures are still firmly based on DX9-DX11 functionality, maybe DX12 unlocks the designs that should be worthy of the name.
AMD was initially founded to manufacture "Intel" processors so IBM could have a second source for the original IBM PC. No one complained about that! Why? Because it meant cheaper prices for us consumers!
Technically, AMD was formed because Fairchild brought in Lester Hogan to run the company from Motorola. Hogan then (seeing Fairchild Semi was a mess) started replacing Fairchild's execs with his pals from Motorola. Hogan disliked (to put it mildly) Jerry Sanders because Jerry wouldn't chase sales opportunities unless they gave him a big enough commission. Hogan effectively demoted Sanders twice - and took him out of the running for the coveted Group Director of Marketing position ( he gave the job to Texas Instruments marketing manager, Douglas O'Connor). Jerry's pride wouldn't allow him to stay, so he took up the offer put to him by a Jack Gifford, an analog engineer leaving Fairchild.
AMD started out making and selling Fairchild's and Texas Instruments analog TTL circuits, because the company had very little experience with digital IC's (Half of AMD's founders were the analog engineers from Fairchild Semi.). They didn't start selling (licenced) Intel chips (EPROMs and the 8085) until 1975, after five years of selling TTL chips and unlicenced copies of Intel's EPROMs (which AMD paid royalties on as part of the 8085/EPROM and FPU cross-license agreement).
 
Let's follow the thread here, so we can come to some sort of conclusion.

It is demonstrable fact that the last several years of GPUs have been based upon the same manufacturing tech. 2011 is when the 28 nm node became the standard for GPUs. That was the HD 7xxx and 6xx series of cards for those counting.
It is demonstrable fact that the 20 nm node is a write-off for TSMC, and thus neither Nvidia not AMD could count on it to die shrink their cards to get a performance boost.
My sources:
http://techsoda.com/no-20nm-graphics-amd-nvidia/
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-plans-massive-16b-fab-investment-report-says

So, what?
First off, the steps from the 680 to the 980 have been minor. If we are to follow the logic that subsequent generations move down 1 rank (680-770-960), then Nvidia has been moving along at pace. We can see that from raw numbers (given, actual gaming performance is harder to quantify, so numbers will have to do).
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-960-vs-GeForce-GTX-680
AMD has only had one step since the introduction of the 7xxx series. You'd have to compare the 7970 to the 280. These cards see pretty much in line with a one generation slide.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-280X-vs-Radeon-HD-7970

What about improvement? The 680-780-980 should show some reasonable differentiation. The 680 to 780 is pretty substantial.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-780-vs-GeForce-GTX-680
The step to 980 is less impressive. There's a great deal of compute performance, but that was a legacy of competing with the insanely popular AMD offerings for crypto-currency. Yeah, that is still a thing.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980-vs-GeForce-GTX-780
AMD fares similar to the 680 to 780 leap. There's definite improvement from the 7970 to the 290x.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290X-vs-Radeon-HD-7970
So complaining about stagnation is reasonable, but has to be tempered by the fact that we are making progress. It isn't leaps and bounds, but it is consistent despite the lack of a die shrink for the last 4 years.


What can we actually conclude from all of this?
1) AMD and Nvidia fanboys are idiots. Neither company has fundamentally changed the market, bucked trends, or even brought us anything but incremental performance improvements since the last node shrink. Everyone moans about Intel delivering about 10% improvement per generation since Sandy bridge, but somehow allows that sort of crap from GPU manufacturers. Where are the common standards?
2) If you own anything from 2011 or later then you don't need to buy a new GPU any time in 2015. The technology is still based on the same node, and is only a minor incremental improvement over what you've got.
3) We won't see anything substantial until TSMC gets their crap together and makes the 14 nm node a reality.
4) Both AMD and Nvidia are out of juice on this process node. Nvidia demonstrated it with a poor 970 design, and AMD seems to be rehashing everything except the highest end cards. It sucks for consumers and manufacturers alike. The thing is AMD and Nvidia can't do anything about it. If they sunk huge amounts of money into R&D they might come up with a 10-15% performance improvement through sheer optimization. In 6 more months TSMC will have the 14 nm node running, and 10-15% improvements can be had simply from the shrink. Try justifying a couple million dollars in research to get an improvement the competition can compete with simply by sitting on their current product line. It can't be done, and AMD realizes that.

Bemoaning this is stupid. It is AMD admitting that 28 nm is functionally a dead end, which Nvidia did with Maxwell already. Minor improvements, that don't justify the large associated costs. Stop carrying a cross for AMD or Nvidia, and just wait for the release of something worth gushing over.


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Partly of their own making. TSMC became the juggernaut it is today in large part because, with very few exceptions, every other pure play foundry was shunned by both AMD and Nvidia. Both companies kept TSMC gainfully occupied as UMC, Chartered Semi et al were used as solely as extra capacity for TSMC. There is also the case of Globalfoundries, who have never met a timetable it couldn't shit all over. Remember when GloFo (+Chartered Semi) were going to take the high power performance IC market by storm?
GlobalFoundries_Roadmap.jpg


Even allowing for the canned 14XM process, the company basically went to sleep on its 28SHP process, while 20LPM pretty much became a byword for M.I.A. and silently disappeared from the companies product lists with barely a whimper.

True. Also due to a number of conditions I think. Amortization of R&D. Both GCN and Maxwell/Kepler offer comparable performance, so going balls to the wall is best saved for a new graphics environment. Just as Nvidia's Curie and ATI's R400 architectures stagnated due to thumb-twiddling by MS over getting past DirectX 9, with fresh impetus and incentive to innovate as the DX11 arrived, the same - I think- can be said for DX12/Vulkan. The present architectures are still firmly based on DX9-DX11 functionality, maybe DX12 unlocks the designs that should be worthy of the name....

I can't argue that AMD and Nvidia are free from error here. Both companies have decided to be dependent upon TSMC, and TSMC is basically capable of driving the bus now because they have no competition. I'd love to see some decent action between competing foundries, but that sort of investment is just too much money for any competition to develop.


On a side not, yeah Global Foundries is a twice baked turd. If I ever hear that they hit a production timeline I'd immediately check if somebody had drugged my beverage.
 
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If you own anything from 2011 or later then you don't need to buy a new GPU any time in 2015.

My card is slowly dying. It artifacs, fans are worn out and it will stop. It just needs something in place.

The actual problem is without leaving huge dough on 980Ti I wont gain and have the right feeling after upgrade. After so many years the performance gap should be higher and be future proof. I cannot say that about 980ti as HBM is soon to come in both fronts.

TSMC is the cause for all of this... And Sony and Microsoft.

The only bang that will occur is 4K TV's. So the console gen will have to be beefed up, and as byproduct, more powerful PC parts will be made. It has been always like that.
 
The only bang that will occur is 4K TV's. So the console gen will have to be beefed up, and as byproduct, more powerful PC parts will be made. It has been always like that.

Unless VR takes off too. PC power may make consoles jelly.
 
Let's follow the thread here, so we can come to some sort of conclusion.

It is demonstrable fact that the last several years of GPUs have been based upon the same manufacturing tech. 2011 is when the 28 nm node became the standard for GPUs. That was the HD 7xxx and 6xx series of cards for those counting.
It is demonstrable fact that the 20 nm node is a write-off for TSMC, and thus neither Nvidia not AMD could count on it to die shrink their cards to get a performance boost.
My sources:
http://techsoda.com/no-20nm-graphics-amd-nvidia/
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-plans-massive-16b-fab-investment-report-says

So, what?
First off, the steps from the 680 to the 980 have been minor. If we are to follow the logic that subsequent generations move down 1 rank (680-770-960), then Nvidia has been moving along at pace. We can see that from raw numbers (given, actual gaming performance is harder to quantify, so numbers will have to do).
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-960-vs-GeForce-GTX-680
AMD has only had one step since the introduction of the 7xxx series. You'd have to compare the 7970 to the 280. These cards see pretty much in line with a one generation slide.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-280X-vs-Radeon-HD-7970

What about improvement? The 680-780-980 should show some reasonable differentiation. The 680 to 780 is pretty substantial.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-780-vs-GeForce-GTX-680
The step to 980 is less impressive. There's a great deal of compute performance, but that was a legacy of competing with the insanely popular AMD offerings for crypto-currency. Yeah, that is still a thing.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980-vs-GeForce-GTX-780
AMD fares similar to the 680 to 780 leap. There's definite improvement from the 7970 to the 290x.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290X-vs-Radeon-HD-7970
So complaining about stagnation is reasonable, but has to be tempered by the fact that we are making progress. It isn't leaps and bounds, but it is consistent despite the lack of a die shrink for the last 4 years.


What can we actually conclude from all of this?
1) AMD and Nvidia fanboys are idiots. Neither company has fundamentally changed the market, bucked trends, or even brought us anything but incremental performance improvements since the last node shrink. Everyone moans about Intel delivering about 10% improvement per generation since Sandy bridge, but somehow allows that sort of crap from GPU manufacturers. Where are the common standards?
2) If you own anything from 2011 or later then you don't need to buy a new GPU any time in 2015. The technology is still based on the same node, and is only a minor incremental improvement over what you've got.
3) We won't see anything substantial until TSMC gets their crap together and makes the 14 nm node a reality.
4) Both AMD and Nvidia are out of juice on this process node. Nvidia demonstrated it with a poor 970 design, and AMD seems to be rehashing everything except the highest end cards. It sucks for consumers and manufacturers alike. The thing is AMD and Nvidia can't do anything about it. If they sunk huge amounts of money into R&D they might come up with a 10-15% performance improvement through sheer optimization. In 6 more months TSMC will have the 14 nm node running, and 10-15% improvements can be had simply from the shrink. Try justifying a couple million dollars in research to get an improvement the competition can compete with simply by sitting on their current product line. It can't be done, and AMD realizes that.

Bemoaning this is stupid. It is AMD admitting that 28 nm is functionally a dead end, which Nvidia did with Maxwell already. Minor improvements, that don't justify the large associated costs. Stop carrying a cross for AMD or Nvidia, and just wait for the release of something worth gushing over.


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I can't argue that AMD and Nvidia are free from error here. Both companies have decided to be dependent upon TSMC, and TSMC is basically capable of driving the bus now because they have no competition. I'd love to see some decent action between competing foundries, but that sort of investment is just too much money for any competition to develop.


On a side not, yeah Global Foundries is a twice baked turd. If I ever hear that they hit a production timeline I'd immediately check if somebody had drugged my beverage.

and yet there is a difference between kepler and Maxwell (features and performance)

2) If you own anything from 2011 or later then you don't need to buy a new GPU any time in 2015. The technology is still based on the same node, and is only a minor incremental improvement over what you've got.
WHAAAATTT :0
 
Of course there is no difference if you just smack a different BIOS on the same god damn card.
 
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