[Confirmed]Overclocking HBM performance test.

[mirakul]

I would ask the mod to re-open the other thread, but it has become too toxic to continue, hence this thread.

A big how-to to enable HBM overclocking with MSI Afterburner
" In the settings, users need to click and hook "Expand Official Overclocking limits". Then, obviously, the memory clock speed can be adjusted."

Result:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details.php?id=9pdzh

Let's see the performance gain in 3DMark
http://www.jagatoc.com/2015/07/short-test-hbm-overclocking-di-amd-radeon-r9-fury-x/3/

OK, now in games.
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/937-26/overclocking-gpu-fiji.html

More reviews and successful stories
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/615...-flag-ship-graphics-card-overclocking-results
http://www.overclock.net/t/1547314/...nano-x-x2-fiji-owners-club/1720#post_24106947
http://www.overclock.net/t/1547314/...nano-x-x2-fiji-owners-club/1800#post_24109973

 

[Tatty_Two]

And what makes you think that the toxic won't move to here? To prevent that, as you have shown some slightly more "tangible" evidence, I would firstly delete your references and links to anything but hard facts, that way speculation disappears and everyone is left to come to conclusions based on actual "evidence", so your old thread link can go because that was full of the toxic incomplete evidence that caused the problems in the first place otherwise this one will end up the same, additionally, the one overclock.net link I looked at showed less than 1FPS improvement in a synthetic benchmark, not sure if that evidences much in relation to performance improvements, stick to the solid stuff and things should be good....... thank you.

 

[MrGenius]

They all end up the same. You know it. I know it. Let's just stop pretending this isn't Troll Central here. And give up the notion that ANY thread has ANY likelihood of remaining on topic. These are foolish assumptions. Frankly, the moderation is terrible here. But I actually prefer it that way(it's the main reason I stay, and why I've not already been banned). Just stand back and let us duke it out. Cooler heads will prevail. They always do.

Side note: I've never been banned from Guru3D either. Despite recent accusations of such from a certain member here. I've never even posted on Guru. Under this username or any other. So if they've already banned me for nothing, too bad for them I guess.

 

[SonicZap]

If this is true, overclocking HBM still seems fairly worthless to me. 500 MHz -> 550 MHz, that's a 10% overclock. With that, your graphics score increases from 3959 to 4001. That's a 1.1% performance difference.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

As always, overclocking the core comes with much bigger performance increases then overclocking the memory, so who cares. Same shit different tech.

 

[MrGenius]

Agreed. But I have a real hard time calling any percentage increase in performance, no matter how small and/or inconsequential, equal to 0%. 0% = worthless. Maybe that's just me though.

 

[mroofie]

As always, overclocking the core comes with much bigger performance increases then overclocking the memory, so who cares. Same shit different tech.

Exactly +11111

Memory Ocing the fury x won't bring any real benefit these threads are useless in my opinion

 

[the54thvoid]

I don't get the fixation on HBM overclocking period. It's the core that requires attention. HBM overclocking is just a meaningless distraction for miniscule performance increases. I'd like to see a way round the voltage lock on core clocks - the card's got a dual bios, why can't it be used to good effect yet? Surely there are people out there with the skills and know how to alter bios settings to allow voltage mods, unless of course, Fiji can't OC the core without dire consequences?

 

[mirakul]

Ok now you are ignoring the game bench, good job on selective reading.

I just wondering, this is Amd box, why ppl without any Amd cards keep coming here to throw flamebait. Have a life, please.

 

[mroofie]

Ok now you are ignoring the game bench, good job.

I just wondering, this is Amd box, why ppl without any Amd cards keep coming here to throw flamebait. Have a life, placed.

Maybe because those benefits are little ever thought of that ?
You are worse than xfia

Holy shit, I mean really, the same few Nvidia fan boys come in to thread crap the same way.

Good job trolls.

The only fanboy here is you im afraid to say

 

[Caring1]

I've got an AMD card, and I agree with the consensus, overclocking the HBM shows next to no gains, the gains are made from the core.

 

[Steevo]

Holy shit, I mean really, the same few Nvidia fan boys come in to thread crap the same way.

Good job trolls.

 

[Assimilator]

Holy shit, I mean really, the same few Nvidia fan boys come in to thread crap the same way.

Good job trolls.

Pot, kettle, black.

 

[jboydgolfer]

its too bad the gains are SO modest... I wonder if anyone has tried rubbing cheetah blood on it? that might speed it up some more.sorry, Im a [CONFIRMED] idiot.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Ok now you are ignoring the game bench, good job on selective reading.

I just wondering, this is Amd box, why ppl without any Amd cards keep coming here to throw flamebait. Have a life, please.

Threads posted here are for the pleasure of all members, should you wish to post to a more limited audience I suggest you do so over at the AMD forums.

 

[mirakul]

its too bad the gains are SO modest... I wonder if anyone has tried rubbing cheetah blood on it? that might speed it up some more.sorry, Im a [CONFIRMED] idiot.

The main point here is the 'supposed locked' HBM is overclockable.

Secondly, the performance is impressive enough in certain scenes, such as Batman AO and FarCry4 (chart above). It doesn't need cheetah blood to be fast.

 

[the54thvoid]

Ok now you are ignoring the game bench, good job on selective reading.

I just wondering, this is Amd box, why ppl without any Amd cards keep coming here to throw flamebait. Have a life, please.

Holy shit, I mean really, the same few Nvidia fan boys come in to thread crap the same way.

Good job trolls.

This is absolutely not about shitting on AMD. I can see the overclock on the HBM - it's 'unimpressive'. What is holding Fiji back in competitiveness is NOT the very excellent HBM but the very mediocre core that seems so far to be resistant to overclocking. It's amazing that owning a certain brand means you can't comment on another. It's like that statement when parents say "oh, you don't have kids, so you don't know". It's a sham that you can't have s civilised discussion without being labelled troll or fanboy.
I'm a fan of tech but I'm also very aware that as great a new innovation HBM is and FULL kudos to AMD for doing the groundwork to implement it - the card it runs on, no matter how good it is and how well AMD have implemented the cooling system, (see all these fucking positives here?!) - as a techy enthusiast, I want to know I can overclock it to gain MOAR performance. I know a clock for clock Fiji Maxwell fight would probably massively go Fiji's way, especially at 4k.
If people want to argue by saying what I've said that I'm a troll or fanboy then you can go

Spoiler

to a peaceful place, reflect on your life and come to terms with being a better person in such a way as you will find

yourself.

FTR, Mirakul IS a blatant troll. Posts a thread, puts a point across, point is dissected by many - throws hissy fit and calls everyone fanboys or trolls. Steevo - you should know better, unless that was sarcasm.

 

[dorsetknob]

from the 1st pic i see a core overclock of at best 2 and 1/2% and approx 10% on the Mem very impressive and in a lot of people's opinion time wasting people would like a 10% overclock not a miserly 2 1/2 %

 

[mirakul]

This is absolutely not about shitting on AMD. I can see the overclock on the HBM - it's 'unimpressive'. What is holding Fiji back in competitiveness is NOT the very excellent HBM but the very mediocre core that seems so far to be resistant to overclocking. It's amazing that owning a certain brand means you can't comment on another. It's like that statement when parents say "oh, you don't have kids, so you don't know". It's a sham that you can't have s civilised discussion without being labelled troll or fanboy.
I'm a fan of tech but I'm also very aware that as great a new innovation HBM is and FULL kudos to AMD for doing the groundwork to implement it - the card it runs on, no matter how good it is and how well AMD have implemented the cooling system, (see all these fucking positives here?!) - as a techy enthusiast, I want to know I can overclock it to gain MOAR performance. I know a clock for clock Fiji Maxwell fight would probably massively go Fiji's way, especially at 4k.
If people want to argue by saying what I've said that I'm a troll or fanboy then you can go

Spoiler

to a peaceful place, reflect on your life and come to terms with being a better person in such a way as you will find

yourself.

FTR, Mirakul IS a blatant troll. Posts a thread, puts a point across, point is dissected by many - throws hissy fit and calls everyone fanboys or trolls. Steevo - you should know better, unless that was sarcasm.

First, have I ever called someone a fanboy or troll in my threads? NO.

Secondly, you COULD see overclocking memory is more effective than OC the core in Batman AO and FarCry4 (chart above) and you just IGNORED it. I call that SELECTIVE READING.

 

[the54thvoid]

First, have I ever called someone a fanboy or troll in my threads? NO.

Secondly, you COULD see overclocking memory is more effective than OC the core in Batman AO and FarCry4 (chart above) and you just IGNORED it. I call that SELECTIVE READING.

Okay, so in 16 titles, 2 benefit. Good. Okay, No need to argue about that. Likely effect of the limitations of 4GB memory slowing it - so needs to be faster perhaps, i.e., 4GB is too little memory.

The Chart below is a quick and dirty analysis of the 16 games from the Frenchies. You can see the core OC averages a 4.99% improvement. The HBM? just 2.26%. Combined, a respectable 7%.

So at 40 fps, that 2.26% increase gives you 40,9 fps.

I completely understand what you are saying (weirdly) but the tangible benefits of a piss poor average of 2.26% OC in fps is not very good at all. If that core could do 16% OC, that would give a 10% boost in fps. Maxwell (sorry I must be a fanboy) can do 20% OC on core. Yes, you have proven that the HBM can be overclocked but what some of us are saying is - it doesn't really make a difference. The memory OC on Maxwell is pretty irrelevant too.

My point stands and it is backed up by your data. The HBM overclock yields a poor 2.26% fps increase which is imperceptible. We need the core to be faster.

 

[cadaveca]

and you just IGNORED it.

The thing is that if you get 3% of 300 FPS, it's still just 10 FPS, which doesn't add any real tangible benefit, since performance lies in places where that few FPS will not amount to the card being able to paly something that it could NOT before.

The idea that overclocking was locked, and wouldn't be opened, was something pretty much 99% of people expected to happen over time, whether by custom cards, or AMD themselves. Yet AMD doesn't do a lot of software development, so it'd likely come from a 3rd party source.

The card is also listed locally for nearly $1000 (if it's listed at all). Here's 99.9999999999999999999999% of Canada not caring (every card but one is not even in stock). If you think many people will pay that $2000 premium retailers have here...

Fury X in its current incarnation is nothing but a halo product that nearly no one will buy, unlocked HBM or not, IMHO.

 

[mirakul]

Okay, so in 16 titles, 2 benefit. Good. Okay, No need to argue about that. Likely effect of the limitations of 4GB memory slowing it - so needs to be faster perhaps, i.e., 4GB is too little memory.

The Chart below is a quick and dirty analysis of the 16 games from the Frenchies. You can see the core OC averages a 4.99% improvement. The HBM? just 2.26%. Combined, a respectable 7%.

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So at 40 fps, that 2.26% increase gives you 40,9 fps.

I completely understand what you are saying (weirdly) but the tangible benefits of a piss poor average of 2.26% OC in fps is not very good at all. If that core could do 16% OC, that would give a 10% boost in fps. Maxwell (sorry I must be a fanboy) can do 20% OC on core. Yes, you have proven that the HBM can be overclocked but what some of us are saying is - it doesn't really make a difference. The memory OC on Maxwell is pretty irrelevant too.

My point stands and it is backed up by your data. The HBM overclock yields a poor 2.26% fps increase which is imperceptible. We need the core to be faster.

Well well, a sudden change in tone. Hey, don't need to pull Maxwell here, it is a flamebait material.
I haven't said anything like "you should OC the mem, don't touch the core". However, as an overclocker, even 0.01% more is still a better result (playing 3DMark anyone?). And 2.26% increase with 10% overlocking is piss poor for you, but it's still good for VRAM overclocking in general.

 

[cadaveca]

(playing 3DMark anyone?).

Not really. Benchmarking for scores isn't a big hit here on TPU. Bragging rights aren't a big deal when all you do is push buttons to get that score. Most people will buy hardware with adequate performance for their needs and not OC at all.

Like, it's cool that someone figured out how to get this working, don't get us wrong... what's unimpressive is the actual result. You don't need to defend a result you didn't make. You just need to accept that not many people are going to care.


Now, if this in some crazy way offered like a 20% boost in performance, everyone would be interested.

 

[the54thvoid]

Well well, a sudden change in tone. Hey, don't need to pull Maxwell here, it is a flamebait material.
I haven't said anything like "you should OC the mem, don't touch the core". However, as an overclocker, even 0.01% more is still a better result (playing 3DMark anyone?). And 2.26% increase with 10% overlocking is piss poor for you, but it's still good for VRAM overclocking in general.

No change in tone from me. Don't worry, still utterly unimpressed. Enjoy your crusade, I'll meet you in the 3D Mark bench forums later.
You do have a Fury X to bench with don't you?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

The main point here is the 'supposed locked' HBM is overclockable.

Secondly, the performance is impressive enough in certain scenes, such as Batman AO and FarCry4 (chart above). It doesn't need cheetah blood to be fast.

Again, core overclocks will net bigger benefits then overclocking a memory medium that already has above all memory bandwidth. Also Fury has more issues in its core than the memory. The card would really benefit from more ROPs.

Also overclocking the hbm is all over the internet, so everyone already knows about it. With people with any ounce of knowledge on this stuff dont seem to care all that much either because it can't be overclocked that much, and its always been the fact that the performance benefits of overclocking a GPU comes from the core clock, unless the GPU is bottlenecked by the memory speed/bandwidth, but the Fury is far from that.