Games Under-Performing, Unknown Culprit, Proves to be a Challenge

[Aquinus]

People, remember this is an E5 Xeon in a workstation. If the OP has ECC memory already, he should stick with ECC. Getting anything faster than 1600 for a Dell workstation is asking for incompatibility issues. Two sets of something like this might be a better option for a memory upgrade: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148677 With 4 DIMMs at least the OP retains quad-channel.

Simply put, not only is an E5 Xeon, it's a Dell. It won't be doing any overclocking anytime soon.

 

[TwinDenis]

Congratz on your new SSD. Use it well.
So again the studders apear huh?
So we rule out the SSD.
Ok, again im all about the RAM Memory or the Hyperthreading on the CPU.
The GPU is overkill for this game, so we rule that out. I guess the monitor is good so no fault there.
Maybe try to turn off AA and Ambient in the settings, see if that helps out.
Also try to turn Vsync off and see if that helps.

I did some tests yesterday on this game, just for the sake of this thread, and my system did not make any problems.
Setup at FHD 1920:1080, all maxed out.
Fps stayed at 60, with no stuttering or any other visual problem.
So i tried turning off effects and stuff and still no such problem apeared.
Note that i also have 8GB RAM, but mine runs on 1600 mhz clock, and my I5 750 is overclocked to 3.3.
Now i disabled my OC profile, and restarted, went in game in default mode, RAM at 1333 mhz and CPU on 2.6 ghz and still no stutter.
So by this, i suspect GPU throttling, or maybe, just maybe your MB, since it hasn't many options to tweak your PC, maybe this holds you back, as judging by the Xeon, it may very well be a server board, and that is not very ideal for gaming.

all of these I already know and tried, and already suggested above, well its not about high performance, its about playing normally, but it stutters and is unplayable.

People, remember this is an E5 Xeon in a workstation. If the OP has ECC memory already, he should stick with ECC. Getting anything faster than 1600 for a Dell workstation is asking for incompatibility issues. Two sets of something like this might be a better option for a memory upgrade: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148677

Simply put, not only is an E5 Xeon, it's a Dell. It won't be doing any overclocking anytime soon.

doesnt this have a bit more latency?
The fact that it is a xeon shouldnt mean I have to stutter like that, it is just a little bit of drawback, but this experience is insanely bad for this machine.

 

[Aquinus]

doesnt this have a bit more latency?

You have a server CPU, you can't just throw any memory you want into it and simply expect it to just work. Usually something that adheres to JEDEC spec with ECC that's unregistered is going to work well for a Xeon workstation. I would worry less about timings and latency because you don't really have much flexibility in the first place. ECC memory itself doesn't add latency, registered memory does but this is unregistered. ECC only adds an extra DRAM module to store the ECC parity bit for each word in system memory. It's for error correction.

 

[TwinDenis]

You have a server CPU, you can't just throw any memory you want into it and simply expect it to just work. Usually something that adheres to JEDEC spec with ECC that's unregistered is going to work well for a Xeon workstation. I would worry less about timings and latency because you don't really have much flexibility in the first place. ECC memory itself doesn't add latency, registered memory does but this is unregistered. ECC only adds an extra DRAM module to store the ECC parity bit for each word in system memory. It's for error correction.

so what is the problem then? since it is not their game or my pc, I dont get it, I should run fine these games.

 

[Aquinus]

so what is the problem then? since it is not their game or my pc, I dont get it, I should run fine these games.

As I said before, all of that CPU load at idle is what has me concerned because the same spikes persist while you're playing a game. I don't know what it is caused by and I'm not really sure where else to look. I had said that earlier. I was only commenting on memory since someone brought it up.

 

[Warrgarbl]

I don't know if this was suggested already (sorry, long thread with big posts) - but have you tried logging your system activity with a process monitor like https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/processmonitor.aspx?

If there is something that is unduly using resources this tool will probably show it. I use it a lot to fix misbehaving systems because it allows the filtering of processes for several criteria like CPU activity, write activity, registry activity... I suggest you run it for 30-60 minutes and then have a look at what it logged.

 

[Mindweaver]

@TwinDenis you should fill out your system specs here. This will allow others to help you easier in the future.

 

[TwinDenis]

Is there any benchmark I can run to check on more than the Gpu while gaming?

 

[xorbe]

Get the right tool for the job -- ditch the server, and get a gaming motherboard and fast ram. Instead, you bought an SSD ...

 

[erocker]

CPU temperatures under load/while gaming?

 

[TwinDenis]

Get the right tool for the job -- ditch the server, and get a gaming motherboard and fast ram. Instead, you bought an SSD ...

are you even reading on threads before posting? I asked douzens of time where to invest, I got ssd as an answer in the latest ones. I did not get any further respond. So ssd it was.

CPU temperatures under load/while gaming?

i dont know what you mean, please look up the images, I think you might find something you are looking for.

as extra info I can tell you that in league of legends I get skipping frames when characters come from the down side of the screen, when they enter the screen from the bottom of the screen they skip frames in their animations, I dont get this effect when they enter from the top side, something is not right. It is kinda like internal fps loss. So it is not their game after all.

 

[erocker]

i dont know what you mean, please look up the images, I think you might find something you are looking for.

as extra info I can tell you that in league of legends I get skipping frames when characters come from the down side of the screen, when they enter the screen from the bottom of the screen they skip frames in their animations, I dont get this effect when they enter from the top side, something is not right. It is kinda like internal fps loss. So it is not their game after all.

I've looked through your pictures and have only seen CPU. In one of the pictures your CPU showed 50c at idle. There should be a CPU temperature option in MSI Afterburner. Tick that box, run a game and see what your CPU temp is.

 

[TwinDenis]

I've looked through your pictures and have only seen CPU. In one of the pictures your CPU showed 50c at idle. There should be a CPU temperature option in MSI Afterburner. Tick that box, run a game and see what your CPU temp is.

If you see them closely you can see cpu temps.
See the last 4 ones (the one named as two).

Using speccy:
http://s12.postimg.org/5aql84dt9/MA_Specs.png
Gpu test GPU-Z 1: http://img.techpowerup.org/160123/gpuu-uuu-uu-uuuuu-2.png
Gpu test GPU-Z 2: http://img.techpowerup.org/160123/scaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamjbb.png
GPU Afterburner Graph with vsync: http://img.techpowerup.org/160123/1111111111.png
Gpu Afterburner Graph without vsync:
part1: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/one-png.71354/
part2: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/two-png.71355/
part3: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/three-png.71356/
part4: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/four-png.71357/

 

[TwinDenis]

Alright so I go these results on 3dmark: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10505457
I noticed on physx it got low fps only, and overall the screen was not tearing but instead snapping frame to frame.
Like 3-4 frames ahead, so it was kinda like normal motion then snap ahead and it was kind of a loop.
In the firestrike demo struggled the most, with all those vfx/particles and smoke scenes.

 

[P4-630]

Alright so I go these results on 3dmark: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10505457
I noticed on physx it got low fps only, and overall the screen was not tearing but instead snapping frame to frame.
Like 3-4 frames ahead, so it was kinda like normal motion then snap ahead and it was kind of a loop.
In the firestrike demo struggled the most, with all those vfx/particles and smoke scenes.

Hmmm, this is my Skydiver result GTX770M
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9342320?

 

[TwinDenis]

Hmmm, this is my Skydiver result GTX770M
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9342320?

It scores me lower but adds me higher, something like that, what could be the cause?
Probably Something seems to not be right here....

Only thing I see better is the Ram, but yeah...

 

[P4-630]

It scores me lower but adds me higher, something like that, what could be the cause?
Probably Something seems to not be right here....

Only thing I see better is the Ram, but yeah...

The differences of the detailed Skydiver scores:
Mine:

Yours:

You probably had vsync on.

 

[TwinDenis]

The differences of the detailed Skydiver scores:
Mine:
View attachment 71504

Yours:
View attachment 71505

You probably had vsync on.

Nope, as said earlier, I had trouble in the benchmark with something, check it out above, thats what happens when I dont have vsync on. It was on app default.

 

[TwinDenis]

Can someone of you guys who is kinda expert on drivers find me the most recent and most compatible drivers for my system if my own are old? I used driver identifier with combination with driver booster but first thing I did before all that was install my own drivers from the list that dell provided, unfortunately they caused too much latency, besides optimizing the bios settings for better dpc latency I had to replace the drivers as well, or rather update them to more recent versions, no device is missing and I think I have all the drivers, yet I have to make sure they are all of them.

ps: I have already knowledge of the OEM website and their drivers, but those doesnt seem to help. I tried both ways, oem drivers and non oem drivers.

Well.... getting myself a pair of cpu + motherboard + ram would not do any good I guess... Too expensive for the value I spent on this PC... Back then I didnt have any PC so I got suggested by a technician for this one, with the goal of gaming and maybe doing some CAD as a student, yup, some...

 

[Mindweaver]

Go here and put your service tag or express service code in, and it will supply you with all of the latest drivers for your pc. Download your Nvidia driver here.

Also, stop double posting and start editing your last post.

EDIT: Here's the WIndows 10 64bit drivers to your PC/Workstation

 

[TwinDenis]

Go here and put your service tag or express service code in, and it will supply you with all of the latest drivers for your pc. Download your Nvidia driver here.

Also, stop double posting and start editing your last post.

EDIT: Here's the WIndows 10 64bit drivers to your PC/Workstation

I have done this, these drivers seemed unstable as well, as said above I tried them more than once, I literally spent a whole week trying to make them work properly and find the latest and most latency-free ones as well.

The drivers did not affect the performance.

ps: the dell website filters service tag, not exactly scanning my system , but instead getting the archive of the service tag and giving me what the system needs at the state it was supposed to be when it was shipped. If I swap parts it will not see them, but just recognize the service tag. Thats what I was told.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

I installed my ssd properly

So the swap file is on the SSD?

and it stutters again

Our worst fear.

 

[Mindweaver]

I have done this, these drivers seemed unstable as well, as said above I tried them more than once, I literally spent a whole week trying to make them work properly and find the latest and most latency-free ones as well.

The drivers did not affect the performance.

ps: the dell website filters service tag, not exactly scanning my system , but instead getting the archive of the service tag and giving me what the system needs at the state it was supposed to be when it was shipped. If I swap parts it will not see them, but just recognize the service tag. Thats what I was told.

So, you're telling me that if you change something in the system then the printed service tag will not update? Really? I guess that's why I gave you the link to Nvidia for your 980 that did not come with your workstation... Also, you did not change out your motherboard which you'll need the chipset drivers, nic and audio. And again it would help if you filled out your system specs. Good luck!

 

[TwinDenis]

So, you're telling me that if you change something in the system then the printed service tag will not update? Really? I guess that's why I gave you the link to Nvidia for your 980 that did not come with your workstation... Also, you did not change out your motherboard which you'll need the chipset drivers, nic and audio. And again it would help if you filled out your system specs. Good luck!

No, my point is that I have tried it and those drivers were kinda faulty,
I have it filled up if you look...

 

[Aquinus]

I have it filled up if you look...

No you don't. He's talking about this.