Ryzen Leaks - Coolers and Benchmarks

[P4-630]

Most of games still use 1-2 cores only, that's why I'm so interested in single thread performance. If it can beat i7 4790k in it, even by 1%, I'll get Ryzen right away. I don't give a darn thing about what it can do with 8C/16T.

Ok, depends on what games you are playing, I play GTA V mostly, it uses all cores you have and I think this is the same with all recent AAA titles.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

Most of games still use 1-2 cores only, that's why I'm so interested in single thread performance. If it can beat i7 4790k in it, even by 1%, I'll get Ryzen right away. I don't give a darn thing about what it can do with 8C/16T.

I think that will depend a lot on the OC capacity for Ryzen but I don't think there are too many recent AAA games that still use only 2 cores or at least the most important (for me) are using more than 2c .But as you've said, if Ryzen is a good competitor to Intel CPU's I am going for it.

 

[EarthDog]

Doesn't matter... most use 4 or less... I'm with FY in the single threaded performance. Most can't use more than 4c/8t anyway...it sure isn't "all" AAA titles. If you do need more than 4c/8t, these should be on your radar for sure. Otherwise, you need to see IPC performance before making the plunge.

 

[FYFI13]

Ok, depends on what games you are playing, I play GTA V mostly, it uses all cores you have and I think this is the same with all recent AAA titles.

Arma 3 It can use up to 8 threads (geometry, texture loading, file operations, etc) but all rendering is done on one thread. That applies to most Direct X 9-11 games if I'm not mistaken. That's why Penitum 3258 was kicking ass to every single AMD CPU on earth in gaming.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

I am using my PC for gaming but I also use HyperV for VM's on my PC and I think I would be OK using a 4c\8t CPU but if the price is right and by this I mean if 1700X is around the Same price as 7700K and it performs the same in games I would definitely go for the 1700X as who know maybe in the near future games will use more cores than they do now. I have my current CPU for about 3 years now so I would keep this one for at least the same period of time.

 

[Crap Daddy]

The vast majority of games will not see improvement going from 4c8t to 8c16t. Strong IPC and high clocks is what matters. That's why I think the 7700K will come on top of every Ryzen CPU in 90% of the situations in gaming benchmarks.

 

[Air]

Damn. Update on cooler pics - they're a render from a forum member at HWbattle......
Leaks, pfft!

Thats a damn shame. They looked reeeally nice. Better than pretty much any other cooler. Some manufacturer should just copy it. Intel's stock cooler is the only component in a "casual build" that looks like shit. Everything else have nice designs.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

The vast majority of games will not see improvement going from 4c8t to 8c16t. Strong IPC and high clocks is what matters. That's why I think the 7700K will come on top of every Ryzen CPU in 90% of the situations in gaming benchmarks.

Maybe this is the situation for the moment but I think this will change in the near future as DX12 offers support for this and both Intel and AMD are offering CPU's with more than 4 cores. The game developers will adapt and they will probably make a better use of the number of cores...hopefully

 

[EarthDog]

Maybe this is the situation for the moment but I think this will change in the near future as DX12 offers support for this and both Intel and AMD are offering CPU's with more than 4 cores. The game developers will adapt and they will probably make a better use of the number of cores...hopefully

you realize they have been saying this for years....it's going to take years for it to really matter.

 

[FYFI13]

Maybe this is the situation for the moment but I think this will change in the near future as DX12 offers support for this and both Intel and AMD are offering CPU's with more than 4 cores. The game developers will adapt and they will probably make a better use of the number of cores...hopefully

Yes, that's a whole point of DX12. The question is "when". Right now i wouldn't spend even 1 euro towards DX12 hardware, as when it becomes a thing we will have new processors, new graphics cards and so on.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

you realize they have been saying this for years....it's going to take years for it to really matter.

Remains to be seen, I agree with the idea that 8c\16t it's overkill for gaming now but if you can get 8c\16t for the same price as an 4c\8t and the performance is quite similar imo that is a good buy.

 

[EarthDog]

Again, it depends on where ipc comes in. If it's 10% less.. not sure I would go that route.. I'd rather have less cores and slightly better ipc for gaming for the next 3 years or so. I mean really..we've been holding our collective breath on multi core saturation for several years now and really it's just getting to the point where quads are being used... none the less the other 4t in a 4c/8t setup... we still have time...

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

Again, it depends on where ipc comes in. If it's 10% less.. not sure I would go that route.. I'd rather have less cores and slightly better ipc for gaming for the next 3 years or so. I mean really..we've been holding our collective breath on multi core saturation for several years now and really it's just getting to the point where quads are being used... none the less the other 4t in a 4c/8t setup... we still have time...

Even if the performance is 10-12% less I would pay for an AMD product because this will hopefully give them a better position in the market as I would like to see more competition and also hopefully this will make Intel step up their game and bring some real innovation with their new products. So I think buyers should keep this in mind as well when they make a purchase decision.

 

[EarthDog]

Honestly.. I really don't give a shit in that light. I'm simply at a point in life where I don't have to settle for second best, even if it's close enough I'd rarely notice. 90% of the things I do need IPC and 4 cores or less..

 

[FYFI13]

Even if the performance is 10-12% less I would pay for an AMD product because this will hopefully give them a better position in the market as I would like to see more competition and also hopefully this will make Intel step up their game and bring some real innovation with their new products. So I think buyers should keep this in mind as well when they make a purchase decision.

It's a good thing to support AMD but I'm not going to downgrade my personal rig if it fails to deliver. I guess i could switch to AMD if single thread performance was at least same as my i7 4790K, just to support AMD as I don't need more then 4 cores right now.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

I am just hoping that Ryzen will bring good competition between AMD and Intel and the end user will benefit from this.

 

[infrared]

I'm buying it straight away just because I'm interested, I bet it will do well at crunching, and if ipc is in line with skylake it should be an epic product.

I'll still have my 6700k rig as the main gaming setup for a while, and maybe just swap out the mobo & cpu when games are far enough along to utilize the extra cores. Until then I'm just going to play with and overclock, bench the snot out of an 1800x

 

[kruk]

That's multi-threaded (which seems alright), i was talking about single threaded results from VideoCardz:

800MHz difference and no performance gains. This just makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes, this chart is strange, thats why I didn't include it. I seriously doubt you can just divide the result by core count and get something meaningful out of it ...

 

[mastrdrver]

Arma 3 It can use up to 8 threads (geometry, texture loading, file operations, etc) but all rendering is done on one thread. That applies to most Direct X 9-11 games if I'm not mistaken. That's why Penitum 3258 was kicking ass to every single AMD CPU on earth in gaming.

Stop spreading misinformation.

 

[MrGenius]

800MHz difference and no performance gains. This just makes no sense whatsoever.

There's results from 3 different CPUs being shown there(who knows which is which, or which has how many cores/threads, or which has how much L3 cache? point being they aren't the same). With the results from ONLY ONE of them being shown at 2 different frequencies. So that's the ONLY ONE you can judge for any performance gained by clocking it higher. And it clearly shows that it, in fact, does gain performance at a higher frequency.

AMD Ryzen: ZD3406BAM88F4_38/34_Y @ 3.4 GHz = 2235
AMD Ryzen: ZD3406BAM88F4_38/34_Y @ 4.0 GHz = 2531

Which makes perfect sense actually.

EDIT: I guess we do know which is which(for the most part). I just had to look for myself to find out.

• AMD Ryzen: ZD3406BAM88F4_38/34_Y — Eight-Core CPU

• AMD Ryzen: ZD3301BBM6IF4_37/33_Y — Six-Core CPU

• AMD Ryzen: ZD3201BBM4KF4_34/32_Y — Quad-Core CPU

https://videocardz.com/65913/how-fast-is-ryzen

 

[cdawall]

That's multi-threaded (which seems alright), i was talking about single threaded results from VideoCardz:

800MHz difference and no performance gains. This just makes no sense whatsoever.

It makes perfect sense if the all use xfr and are running at a hype train level of 4.0+

 

[Kanan]

It makes perfect sense if the all use xfr and are running at a hype train level of 4.0+

Would also mean Ryzens IPC is a lot worse compared to Broadwell-E, if "4 GHz+" loses to 3.6 GHz i7 6800K and has no chance against the higher clocked ones.

I rather come to the conclusion the source isn't right on the clocks, I don't think they are clocked at 4 GHz, 3.2 to 3.6 makes more sense. Let's wait and see, this is basically unreliable garbage.

 

[cdawall]

Would also mean Ryzens IPC is a lot worse compared to Broadwell-E, if "4 GHz+" loses to 3.6 GHz i7 6800K and has no chance against the higher clocked ones.

I rather come to the conclusion the source isn't right on the clocks, I don't think they are clocked at 4 GHz, 3.2 to 3.6 makes more sense. Let's wait and see, this is basically unreliable garbage.

Yep and for reference my 6850K is hitting 20k overall in that benchmark no issues...

 

[MrGenius]

Yep and for reference my 6850K is hitting 20k overall in that benchmark no issues...

So your i7-6850K 6 core/12 thread CPU Physics score of 20,057 @ ~4.5GHz is higher than the AMD Ryzen: ZD3301BBM6IF4_37/33_Y 6 core/12 thread CPU Physics score of 15,271 @ 3.3GHz.

Which proves what? You should compare yours at the same clock at least. If you want to make a fair comparison anyway.

EDIT: It looks like @ 3.8GHz it's a much closer race. So it would probably be interesting to see what it does @ 3.3GHz. Before you can claim it's much better or worse.

Apples to apples people.

 

[Xzibit]

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