Vega RX tested against the GTX 1080ti

[the54thvoid]

How shall I put it ... I know, I'll use car analogy ... this test is an equivalent of testing acceleration of cars by throwing them off the plane

lol.

Best car analogy yet.

 

[Vayra86]

Unfortunately raw power doesn't translate into good framerates.



If you play both sides to the middle then you how ridiculous it is to call out on AMD when almost half of the titles tested by the majority of popular reviews are Nvidia games. Nvidia does have proprietary APIs : Physx , GameWorks , CUDA and they did their best to shove them towards game developers when in reality these APIs had nothing unique nor did they show any advantage to the user that can only be achieved through that software. All they do is cripple performance for the most part , more so on AMD hardware.

Vulkan is not proprietary , hence it can't cripple performance in a discriminatory fashion and therefore I see no reason to complain that they chose a game that uses it.

I don't want to point the gun to anyone , yes this presentation/test is irrelevant and useless I totally agree to that , but your reasoning doesn't make sense.

But this is the very essence of why Nvidia is successful and why AMD is not with regards to APIs. Nvidia deploys something that they directly enforce through games OR make available as a useable piece of tech. AMD is always puttong raw ideas in the market and then prays devs pick it up for them, which they never do because knowledge is built upon what was actually already used. Nvidia sends support teams to devs to get them to implement. AMD gives you a bunch of PDFs and says enjoy.

 

[RejZoR]

Except that's total BS. AMD also has teams on the field that help developers on the field... People should really stop spreading this FUD nonsense...

 

[yotano211]

Since AMD wont be in laptops again for another round with Vega and huge power draw, I'll continue with Nvidia and this 1070 I have. I would say more about AMD but I'll get banned.

 

[JalleR]

How shall I put it ... I know, I'll use car analogy ... this test is an equivalent of testing acceleration of cars by throwing them off the plane

or this one..... https://www.topgear.com/videos/rich...urbo-vs-vw-beetle-part-22-series-16-episode-1

 

[Vya Domus]

But this is the very essence of why Nvidia is successful and why AMD is not with regards to APIs. Nvidia deploys something that they directly enforce through games OR make available as a useable piece of tech. AMD is always puttong raw ideas in the market and then prays devs pick it up for them, which they never do because knowledge is built upon what was actually already used. Nvidia sends support teams to devs to get them to implement. AMD gives you a bunch of PDFs and says enjoy.

You call successful APIs shovel-ware that benefit the consumer in no way ? Fair enough. I don't. When was the last time you burst into joy seeing the Nvidia GameWorks logo because you knew it is going to feature wonderful Nvidia proprietary software , that you know it will provide a greatly enhanced experience ? When was the last time anyone thought that ? In my book successful APIs provide benefit to both developers and users. I couldn't care less Nvidia has great support for teaching developers how to destroy performance with ridiculous amounts of tessellation or whatnot.

You do also know because of the way their drivers work AMD spends a lot more time working with developers than Nvidia.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Can someone inform me on all the different versions of Vega? Theres 3 right?

 

[JalleR]

fan
Water
and crappy for AIO...

 

[Vya Domus]

Can someone inform me on all the different versions of Vega? Theres 3 right?

By the looks of it yes : one 64 CU air cooled , one water cooled and a 54 CU version. No one knows for sure though.

 

[jboydgolfer]

But AMD/Nvidia/Intel wouldn't do that with reviewers directly, there is no way that would go under the radar forever. Imagine the shitstorm, they have more subtle legal ways of doing it.

You're right they wouldn't do it with money directly as there are other ways of doing it which carry just as much water morally and are just as financially impacting/effective (business-wise).

I've always had an issue with the whole system of online "professional reviews". As others have mentioned here in this thread if a reviewer gives a review that a company doesn't particularly like ,they just won't send next year's model to that reviewer. Which is punishing honest opinions or feedback. Most people are openly willing to admit that although money or goods may not change hands(in some cases) between reviewer and manufacturers, there are repercussions for both good and bad reviews which vary depending on what company you're dealing with. In my opinion the fact that money isn't directly given to the reviewer is moot(speaking from a business perspective) ,because by cutting off further review samples because of a bad review your essentially cutting off the ability of that reviewer or tech site to remain relevant and therefore disabling their ability to generate income/revenue.

I just don't trust the system of reviewers as a rule of thumb nowadays, at least not beyond maybe 5% when it comes to forming an opinion or making a decision of a purchase, or any other reason. All too often I've seen people who do reviews for tech sights often have items for sale regularly and you have to wonder where they're getting a constant regular flow of the high-end components in tech gear. it makes a person wonder if there is and some wrongdoing going on there or at least unethical activity or business practices.

All in all, imo its a field that is sketchy as f@ck, and light on trust. Which is why there's a million unboxing & reviewing channels on YouTube , loaded with people who have absolutely no moral qualms with putting their " seal of approval" on a pile of crap for a couple bucks or a free engineering sample to keep. There's absolutely no time in life where it's not smart to keep your wits about you, always be as informed as you can, and take everyone else's opinion with a grain of salt

 

[Vya Domus]

You're right they wouldn't do it with money directly as there are other ways of doing it which carry just as much water morally and are just as financially impacting/effective (business-wise).

I've always had an issue with the whole system of online "professional reviews". As others have mentioned here in this thread if a reviewer gives a review that a company doesn't particularly like ,they just won't send next year's model to that reviewer. Which is punishing honest opinions or feedback. Most people are openly willing to admit that although money or goods may not change hands(in some cases) between reviewer and manufacturers, there are repercussions for both good and bad reviews which vary depending on what company you're dealing with. In my opinion the fact that money isn't directly given to the reviewer is moot(speaking from a business perspective) ,because by cutting off further review samples because of a bad review your essentially cutting off the ability of that reviewer or tech site to remain relevant and therefore disabling their ability to generate income/revenue.

I just don't trust the system of reviewers as a rule of thumb nowadays, at least not beyond maybe 5% when it comes to forming an opinion or making a decision of a purchase, or any other reason. All too often I've seen people who do reviews for tech sights often have items for sale regularly and you have to wonder where they're getting a constant regular flow of the high-end components in tech gear. it makes a person wonder if there is and some wrongdoing going on there or at least unethical activity or business practices.

All in all, imo its a field that is sketchy as f@ck, and light on trust. Which is why there's a million unboxing & reviewing channels on YouTube , loaded with people who have absolutely no moral qualms with putting their " seal of approval" on a pile of crap for a couple bucks or a free engineering sample to keep. There's absolutely no time in life where it's not smart to keep your wits about you, always be as informed as you can, and take everyone else's opinion with a grain of salt

Yeah and as a result most larger reviews stick with "neutral" reviews where they don't exactly say what is a better pick for fear of not pleasing the manufacturer with their conclusions. Which is why thankfully I have deep enough of a knowledge about hardware and software and know what is better in what scenario without having to watch reviews for the most part. It is a problem indeed because the average Joe does not have that knowledge and can be easily deceived by fancy charts whom origin and legitimacy can't be trusted nor easily tested.

It is what it is , I can't see how it would change anytime soon.

 

[rtwjunkie]

How shall I put it ... I know, I'll use car analogy ... this test is an equivalent of testing acceleration of cars by throwing them off the plane

How so? Do you not allow yourself to be absorbed and immersed in a game, or do you take away from that enjoyment to spend all your time watching a fps counter?

I agree this comparison would be more effective from a marketing POV if the Vega was cheap, but it does still convey that the Vega may be a very decent performer.

 

[Xzibit]

How so? Do you not allow yourself to be absorbed and immersed in a game, or do you take away from that enjoyment to spend all your time watching a fps counter?

I believe the only person that preferred the G-Sync system was the one person that sneaked a peek and enabled Performance Metrics in the game because he makes reference to FPS numbers ?

 

[EarthDog]

but it does still convey that the Vega may be a very decent performer

Does it? Its doom... a 1070/980ti can run it at 4k ~60 fps (no aa high). I did that...

 

[BiggieShady]

Do you not allow yourself to be absorbed and immersed in a game, or do you take away from that enjoyment to spend all your time watching a fps counter?

That's easy ... immersed when gaming, watching fps counter when benching, for example, to compare two GPUs.
I get this was no benchmark, and the 300$ difference for similar experience argument is a strong one ... but comparing a feeling of smoothness on adaptive sync setup is kinda goofy ... I mean, we all know it will be similar - that's the whole point of properly designed adaptive sync tech

 

[the54thvoid]

And finally, to be scientific, a sample size of 10 is quite insignificant.

@W1zzard - where is your card for review?

 

[Frag_Maniac]

TFLOPS means compute as well.

Not in the same sense as AMD's ACE units. The speed of floating point calculations are more of a sensible reference point to get an idea of rendering speed, which is why it's more often included in core spec on GPU comparison charts.

 

[Xzibit]

And finally, to be scientific, a sample size of 10 is quite insignificant.

@W1zzard - where is your card for review?

Reviewers sometimes use fewer then 10 games to come to a conclusion.

We also have Steam Hardware Survey brought up frequently contradicting the hardware gaming enthusiast.

Two sides of the coin and people pick which ever sides with their views. No surprise.

If people bothered paying attention to the source video Kyle says, "AMD really wanted to hit on the value with FreeSync monitors compared to G-Sync monitors". Yet here we are 4 pages deep and a handful of people get the intent of the video. The rest are just diggin trenches for their preference.

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

If they test it with Watch Dogs 2 or Project Car, and the result favors AMD, then I have high hope for Rx Vega. Doom( Vulkan)? Sorry no.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Does it? Its doom... a 1070/980ti can run it at 4k ~60 fps (no aa high). I did that...

I did say "may."

That's easy ... immersed when gaming, watching fps counter when benching, for example, to compare two GPUs.
I get this was no benchmark, and the 300$ difference for similar experience argument is a strong one ... but comparing a feeling of smoothness on adaptive sync setup is kinda goofy ... I mean, we all know it will be similar - that's the whole point of properly designed adaptive sync tech

I can't argue with the facts of what you said. But...That's the whole point of their presentation though.

 

[the54thvoid]

Two sides of the coin and people pick which ever sides with their views. No surprise.

Everyone can be guilty of that.

I'm the OP on this FWIW, my very first post states fps is not king when 'perceptions' matter. That said, testing of 10 humans is limited and we will find out soon enough how things pan out in the non-sync panelled world.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Doom runs smooth on a potato, thank God this drama will be over soon.

Or will it?

Dum dum duuuuuuuum!!!!1

 

[Xzibit]

Everyone can be guilty of that.

I'm the OP on this FWIW, my very first post states fps is not king when 'perceptions' matter. That said, testing of 10 humans is limited and we will find out soon enough how things pan out in the non-sync panelled world.

Premium price for its segment.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

What's in his left hand?

 

[Fluffmeister]

What's in his left hand?

A Radeon Vega ashtray.

He was funny @ 11:20 on this vid, lets see if he is right: