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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-rx-vega-64-water-cooling,5177.html
TL;DR version-
Not good, not good at all.
TL;DR version-
Not good, not good at all.
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The single 120mm radiator is barely enough for FuryX, not to mention the power monster Vega.
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So, how much better will a water cooled Vega 64 will do is profound.
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I'm going to hear responses about the tech that AMD have put into it and that once developers start using it but hey, that happened two years ago with Fiji.
We buy in the present for items that deliver now.
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It did not , Fiji had nothing particularly special compared to the previous GCN iterations , if there was something to be done for Fiji it would have applied to all other previous cards and even to Polaris. I know you and others don't want to accept it but Vega is very different from previous architectures. And no , that does not mean it will get a million times better , it's just the reality of things.
Not everyone does that , and this way of going about doing things should not be taken as an absolute. Historically I bought things that were supposed to be not that great in the present but where promising for the future, and it did pay off. Of course that does not mean it will always happen but don't completely discard this idea.
If I was in the market to buy a 500$ card ( assuming you can find Vega for 500$ ) , I would most certainly pick Vega 64 over the 1080 , Pascal has shown what it can do and there is nothing left in the tank for it. I would much rather pick something that has a chance to get better.
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Toms blow bro!
Christ it's a pathetic site for any info imho.
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I'm not an engineer so I can't argue how different Vega is from Fiji (did you design it?) but given it has the same cores, the implication is it's still based on it. If altering core structures and instructions is new architecture then people ought to recognise Pascal as new. Vega is an iteration of GCN. You read enough reviews, that's the consensus. GCN with tinkering. It's not ground up, you want that, look at Zen. I would argue people like you (for some reason because you're not one of those red types) can't accept Vega is not a ground up design. You need to prove it is because on paper, it's very similar. You won't be able to because it's still based on the compute heavy design of GCN, which is just after all a handy name, not a strict protocol.
Anyway, my point was, Vega 64 will not miraculously get better. Not how different it is. Donor sure why you went down that path to counter my point. If anything, you have reinforced it based on, it might get better assumptions.
This is a circular argument you cannot prove now. So come back in 2 years when Vega 64 is 30% faster. I'm not having a discussion on 'ifs' and 'buts' when Navi will be out by then, a new AI heavy design.
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If you mean it will perform astronimcally high, you'd be wrong. Hexus had an invite to see the Asus Strix version, already a working model. It ran at clocks of 1900+ on the core but it gained a 5-10% perf increase, with a large uplift in power usage. Vega 64 is not a fantastic development. It's too big and heavy to run fast enough but at 1900. that's actually faster than a 1080ti FE after throttling.
Asus Strix AMD Vega 64
In March 2017, 1080ti FE (no overclocking).
Vega power use
1080ti FE power use
A range of custom cooled 1080ti and a poorly cooled Titan Xp
People need to accept that the card is out, it's there for all to see and there is no magic. I'm going to hear responses about the tech that AMD have put into it and that once developers start using it but hey, that happened two years ago with Fiji. We buy in the present for items that deliver now. Buying on hope that it will deliver something not promised is a big gamble and for people like xkm 1948, that never paid off.
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Vega does NOT have the same core. Just because the units arrangement is the same, that doesn't mean it's the same core jesus...
You are talking about things in very absolute terms , which is why I cannot agree with you. I never once said Vega is nothing like anything RTG ever made , I said it is considerably different compared to previous iterations. Come on man , you have right here on TPU an article about it , we don't need to be engineers to fully understand some of this stuff. Pascal certainly had improvements and changes from Maxwell , have they been as big as the jump from Polaris to Vega ? Objectively they haven't been.
I NEVER said it will get miraculously better or by 30% or whatever , please point me to the comment where I said. What I said is that it definitely has power left untapped , whether or not RTG will ever be able to make use of it is not guaranteed.
Also make up your mind , you say this is a circular argument that I cannot prove ( I never tried to man , read my comments again ) but previously you claimed you are 100% sure Vega will not get better , isn't that a circular argument that you cannot prove as well ?
Speaking of GCN, before getting too deep here, it’s interesting to note that at least publicly, AMD is shying away from the Graphics Core Next name. GCN doesn’t appear anywhere in AMD’s whitepaper, while in programmers’ documents such as the shader ISA, the name is still present. But at least for the purposes of public discussion, rather than using the term GCN 5, AMD is consistently calling it the Vega architecture. Though make no mistake, this is still very much GCN, so AMD’s basic GPU execution model remains.
this is AMD's first GPU using this newly tweaked version of its Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture as well as its largest and most complex design ever.
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Speaking of GCN, before getting too deep here, it’s interesting to note that at least publicly, AMD is shying away from the Graphics Core Next name. GCN doesn’t appear anywhere in AMD’s whitepaper, while in programmers’ documents such as the shader ISA, the name is still present. But at least for the purposes of public discussion, rather than using the term GCN 5, AMD is consistently calling it the Vega architecture. Though make no mistake, this is still very much GCN, so AMD’s basic GPU execution model remains.
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so lets agree to disagree.
GCN doesn’t appear anywhere in AMD’s whitepaper, while in programmers’ documents such as the shader ISA, the name is still present.
The fundamental issue moving forward is that VLIW designs are great for graphics; they are not so great for computing. However AMD has for all intents and purposes bet the company on GPU computing – their Fusion initiative isn’t just about putting a decent GPU right on die with a CPU, but then utilizing the radically different design attributes of a GPU to do the computational work that the CPU struggles at. So a GPU design that is great at graphics and poor at computing work simply isn’t sustainable for AMD’s future.
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From the very article i quoted.
Vega is a development on from but using the base of GCN. They have tweaked it massively but it was the base they used. If that means it is a new architecture, okay. We can agree but my semantical autism rejects completely the notion we can call something a new architecture when it is using the old one as a base to build upon.
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No matter how you cut it they compared the Fury 60% higher clocks only 30% faster.So then Zen and every new architecture from 1978 that is based onto x86 isn't really new is it ? I mean all these new CPUs have the same base from which they are built onto ? You might stand by your definition , but that's not how the industry looks at this. Manufacturers are always going to maintain a base level of compatibility so the whole thing doesn't turn into a clusterfuck , which means there will never really be a completely "new architecture" because they always need to adhere to old designs.
The way you think about this has two outcomes , either everything is new or nothing is. Troublesome in my opinion but to each his own I suppose.
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Toms blow bro!
Christ it's a pathetic site for any info imho.
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No matter how you cut it they compared the Fury 60% higher clocks only 30% faster.
They definitely made a change, for worse.
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You must be the 20th person that thinks I am arguing that Vega is incredible or something. OK
Are we all truly blind ? You think I did not see the benchmarks ?
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Don't know. Are you, do you ? lol