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#51
LOL on the low resource constraints. If they don't have cash, they can find an investor. And if no other company or bank believes in their products, they can always try crowd-sourcing with their loyal fanboys.
This is just business. Your product is either profitable or not. Your forecast is either reliable or rubbish.
AMD is pretty small compared to major players in consumer electronics. There are many companies in US and Asia that could provide them a larger R&D budget - both financial institutions and companies within the industry.

It's not about lack of money. It's just that AMD can't (or doesn't want to) make proper mainstream products.
We know they can design and make proper chips. Things they do for other companies (consoles and Macs) are top-notch.
But with their own products they're aiming at niches - that's why they're becoming a niche manufacturer. Simple as that.
In certain way, AMD's desktop GPU are bad ports from console. If you know what I mean.
 
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You haven't actually read the rest of that post haven't you? You know, the part where I mentioned AMD's inability to materialize these brilliant ideas due to resources constraints...
You're making a far out assumption. That's basically a tissue paper defense. If they really wanted to or could make something that would blow Nvidia out of the water they would have, they didn't.


So 64 has potential
Did you read anything? Lol. Or did you post after reading something somewhere else other than this post?
 
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Just realized that Nvidia also use GoFlo for GPU production. 1050, which can overclock to 2GHz easily. So yeah, it may not be manufacturing problem but design problems.
 
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You're making a far out assumption. That's basically a tissue paper defense. If they really wanted to or could make something that would blow Nvidia out of the water they would have, they didn't.




Did you read anything? Lol. Or did you post after reading something somewhere else other than this post?
Like I said

So it has potential

Will pick 2 up for myself
 
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It's not that simple , GP107 is minuscule compared to Vega. GloFo seems to be able to offer decent power consumption , however only in certain scenarios. Scenarios that never quite meet with what AMD wants. They always push their GPUs beyond the optimum power consumption GloFo can offer.
 
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Hey it is respectful when fans support with their money instead of their mouth. Unlike someone who constantly defends Vega and went team green.


It's not that simple , GP107 is minuscule compared to Vega. GloFo seems to be able to offer decent power consumption , however only in certain scenarios. Scenarios that never quite meet with what AMD wants. They always push their GPUs beyond the optimum power consumption GloFo can offer.
Small sized Polaris also had bad power consumption once pushed to high clock rates. Same GloFo node. How do you spin this?
 
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Small sized Polaris also had bad power consumption once pushed to high clock rates. Same GloFo node. How do you spin this?
That's the thing , Polaris is very power efficient at around 1000mhz , AMD could have made a big Polaris chip with HBM ,(4096 cores at no more than 1.1 Ghz ) that could have rivaled Pascal in power consumption. GloFo can provide good power characteristics but only to a degree. AMD always needs more than that it seems and GloFo can't provide.

We know GloFo's 14 nm node is optimized for low power not high clocks. However Pascal is not Vega or Polaris , maybe it can be clocked higher without the need of a very high quality node. Also small chips are always easier to make , I am not surprised GloFo can make something like GP107 while something like GP102 would probably be too much for them.

Who knows maybe Nvidia ia paying GloFo a shit ton of cash because they are trying to make room for the higher end chips at TMSC.

Edit : All of these manufacturers can more or less provide the same quality silicon , what differentiates them is the cost and capacity at which they can do that.
 
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Toms blow bro!

Christ it's a pathetic site for any info imho.
Depends who you read and whether you also frequent the German version of the site, which is remarkably thorough and to the point; they uncovered the EVGA GTX 1080 VRAM issue on their FTW coolers and are probably the reason EVGA revamped the shroud AGAIN for 1080ti to leave that PR disaster behind fast.

About all these excuses I read... who are you guys kidding here really? Yourselves? AMD has had ample time to fix the issues that plague every GPU launch they've done since the 7970. Hot stock coolers, silly business decisions, an inability to get GCN to be efficient or a high clocker, shitty deals with AIBs leading to even shittier offerings (such as Sapphire's Tri-X being the only reasonable air cooled Hawaii card at the time, to ASUS re-using its Nvidia designed shrouds up to the point they don't even fit proper - and I'll let you in on the fact that ASUS is ALSO just reusing the 1080ti shroud with minor tweaks for VEGA), and once again issues within the driver model and high CPU usage compared to its competitor.

Its same shit, different day, you have got to be absolutely oblivious and blind not to see this by now. There is no excuse, there is only AMD trying to extend GCN way beyond its lifespan and usefulness. Die shrinks are not enough to keep reusing the same shit every time and not fail horribly.
 
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It's not that simple , GP107 is minuscule compared to Vega. GloFo seems to be able to offer decent power consumption , however only in certain scenarios. Scenarios that never quite meet with what AMD wants. They always push their GPUs beyond the optimum power consumption GloFo can offer.
Are you finally admitting that AMD can't design efficient chips or what?
 
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Are you finally admitting that AMD can't design efficient chips or what?
Small Polaris from GloFo vs 1050Ti from GloFo is the prime example of RTG's shitty node design. GCN as a whole simply cannot work at high clock, be it small scale 1024SP or big scale 4096SP. GCN is too old.
 
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Oh god and people babbling about GCN...
 
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Oh god and people babbling about GCN...
Does someone who has not even touched GCN for straight 2 gen of GPU know about GCN? You know more about GCN than users who experienced it first hand? Or you know more than professional reviewers?
 
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No, it's you people who babble how GCN is all the same from HD7000 up to Vega that piss me off. And now all of a sudden my absence of owning an AMD is now a "problem" because I'm supposedly not knowledgeable enough about GCN even though I freaking owned the very first generation of it on excellent HD7000 series. Weren't you among the idiots who were yelling at me for being an AMD fanboy coz I had a fucking Radeon 2 years ago before GeForce, but now, all of a sudden, it's an issue coz I supposedly don't know anything about it coz I don't have it now. Consistency, you may want to look that up in dictionary...

Also, that 4 wheels and steering wheel car analogy. You may want to study that up as well...
 
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No, it's you people who babble how GCN is all the same from HD7000 up to Vega that piss me off. And now all of a sudden my absence of owning an AMD is now a "problem" because I'm supposedly not knowledgeable enough about GCN even though I freaking owned the very first generation of it on excellent HD7000 series. Weren't you among the idiots who were yelling at me for being an AMD fanboy coz I had a fucking Radeon 2 years ago before GeForce, but now, all of a sudden, it's an issue coz I supposedly don't know anything about it coz I don't have it now. Consistency, you may want to look that up in dictionary...

Also, that 4 wheels and steering wheel car analogy. You may want to study that up as well...

I had two HD7970's - it doesn't make me an expert on GCN, nor does it make you professor Radeon. People aren't babbling (I presume you mean me as well) about GCN any more than you are spouting your own opinion on the topic. If I can quote an article from what is normally a very tech intensive site (anandtech) that describees Vega as being an iteration and tweak of GCN, it doesn't make me a fool or a 'babbling' idiot. It means I'm supporting my point with at least some form of evidence other than opinion.

It would be really nice if people actually tried for one second to understand the other persons side. But no. Valid points just get ignored because online people can fight tirelessly because nobody is there to 'sit your ass down'. Virtual tough guys everywhere.

FWIW, I'd like to say @RejZoR is not a fan boy for AMD but man, you don't accomodate anybody elses opinion if it runs counter to yours and that is why flack comes your way. @xkm1948, it'd be good to lay off on the full on assault and cut the guy some slack. Reasoning is a two way street but I've given up because some guys only go one way (even when supported evidence says otherwise). If folks don't want to accept a carrot cake isn't actually mostly carrots, then that's their problem.

Its da web man, reasoning and logic are hard to find sometimes.
 
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Does someone who has not even touched GCN for straight 2 gen of GPU know about GCN? You know more about GCN than users who experienced it first hand? Or you know more than professional reviewers?
Like really , enthusiasts know loads of stuff about stuff they don't own ,even normys do.
Lets debate facts Polaris equals a 1080ti in the right hands and scenario i e mine and mining a vega does the same these indicate adequately amds designs flexibility.
One 580 is about 67% the performance of one vega 64 at this point and in all dx12 games though two or three Polaris beat a vega in pure fps on working titles but i personally think that yet again in the right hands and scenario Vega is epic in others it touches on meh but its early yet i got a 5870 day one it was a bitxh first few months same with a 7970 same with Polaris ti a lesser degree and same with Vega ,things will improve and anyone doing oc comparisons on vega are pissing in the wind nothing works right or reliably.
 
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I said it before and i will say it again. Emotionally invested in a certain brand will cause selective blindness when it comes to negativity of the specific brand.

Like always, time will tell how Vega fares down the road.
 
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Lets debate facts Polaris equals a 1080ti in the right hands and scenario i e mine and mining a vega does the same these indicate adequately amds designs flexibility.
Flexibility? It's only good for particular computation tasks - mining being in this class. It's rubbish at most other things. How is this "flexible"? :eek:
 
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People should really learning concept of CONTEXT in English language. It's one of the most important things for proper understanding of discussions. Notice the "I wish". That doesn't mean "it will" or ""I will". The reason I wrote that is because reading all the AMD haters became really tiring chore... Just like is reading how GCN is all the same just because it's GCN. People just stuff shit together because of 3 letters even though every idiot with basic reading capabilities can see from specs that Vega core is nothing like anything else AMD has released in the past using GCN foundations.
 
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Didn't really read the whole thread it's probably people going hate mode about Vega anyway like everywhere else, but I just wanted to point out that Vega is for me the best example of "AMD FineWine" and the most desperate one at this as well. It's basically a) a new GPU architecture, that intends a need of FineWine or need in time for mature drivers anyway but b) on top a lot of futuristic features that need time anyway aside from "FineWine" meaning double "FineWine" needed. So basically what I'm trying to say is, whoever is buying Vega is probably a AMD fanboy, a Freesync user or needs to be very very patient. I guess driver optimizations will need months to bring the card to full power, but that aside it will probably take years for the other features to make any tangible difference. I'm sure it will be faster than a 1080 and even a custom 1080 over time, but right now I'd only go for it for the sake of FreeSync, because that way it's at least on same price level of the 1080 or cheaper, Gsync tax included. That said, I'd go for a custom Vega, not this blower stuff. ;) That all said I'm perfectly happy with my GPU right now, that's just theorizing on my part, me in theory having too much money to spend on GPU + monitor right now. :)
 
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I bought a Vega 64 aircooled version to use it along with the my Freesync BenQ ZOWIE XL2730 144Hz 27inch that I own since beginning of this year.
I bought the monitor after my Samsung 120Hz 1080p died.
I used the Benq XL2730 so far with a Radeon Fury X which did not have enough power to drive all the games I play with very high settings.
I was hopping for even better performace from Vega 64 rather than similar to GTX 1080, but as many already mentioned hopefully performance will get a little bit better with driver updates over the next months.

I take the positive points from the Tom's Hardware review and I am glad that I did not buy the Liquid cooled Vega 64 version.
As the review shows, the cooling potential of the Factory Liquid cooled Vega 64 will not be enough.
It is not worth it for the extra 100€ that it would have cost me.

I prefered rather to pay 117€ extra for a water block "EK-FC Radeon Vega - Nickel" and then expand my current custom water cooling loop.
I have a custom water loop in my PC where I can put upto two 240mm radiator and one 120mm radiator.
I used this setup before on a Radeon 290x plus CPU with good cooling results.
Currently I am running a single 240mm radiator for the i7-7700K only as Fury X had it's own closed loop cooling solution.

My intention was from beginning to change the blower cooler on the Vega 64.
As Tom's review shows, I should expect better stable higher Clock Rates than with original blower cooler once I finish my custom water loop setup.
 
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