After these security flaws should i go with Intel 8700k or AMD R 1700?

[Abdullah Aman]

Just go Intel - it'll be way easier to live with. And since you're into Android Studio, going Ryzen is just asking for trouble and unnecessary workarounds.

As for RAM... well... it may/should work, but imagine a situation it doesn't and you have to buy a new set. You'll be near a X299 budget...

Will corsair 460x be fine for me

 

[FYFI13]

Only if you need +100 FPS. If its a 60fps / 1440p or higher res target you have, Ryzen is MUCH more cost effective and will perform exactly the same.

The 8600k/8700k are only good for high refresh gaming, anything below that, doesn't use the extra Ghz. For all his other tasks, the extra threads will be much more helpful than high single thread performance. At lower price.

Not exactly true. There are games (not that many, though) where you're going to play with less than 60FPS with 8700K and even less than that with Ryzen.

 

[Enterprise24]

Not exactly true. There are games (not that many, though) where you're going to play with less than 60FPS with 8700K and even less than that with Ryzen.

Yup. Totalwar , Civilization late game , heavily modded Cities Skylines are very hard to keep 60fps even with modern CPU.

 

[Vayra86]

Not exactly true. There are games (not that many, though) where you're going to play with less than 60FPS with 8700K and even less than that with Ryzen.

So if both CPUs still drop below 60, why pick a much more expensive 8700k that has the same behaviour?

Civilization for example loves the additional threads a lot more than it loves the additional 1 Ghz. The point stands: for high refresh gaming (which means, for 90% of all users: games that BENEFIT from high refresh the most, and where its achievable), the 8600k (mind you, it does exactly the same as an 8700k but will clock higher at the same power envelope = more net gaming perf) fills that niche. Below that, Ryzen and a 8600k will do the exact same, but Ryzen 5 adds free SMT.

 

[slehmann]

What Intel really needs at the moment is that customers stay away 1 or 2 years from their products.
They betrayed all customers when launching 8th generation cause they knew about the security flaws when they did the lauch.
Also they gave us only minor performance bumps (3%) and not more cores since many generations (ix 2xxx was the last real improvement) of their processors.
They need some hard reminder from the market to get back on track.

 

[FireFox]

If its a 60fps

We are in 2018 where 60 FPS it's old story at least for me since long time ago

Ryzen is MUCH more cost effective and will perform exactly the same.

You are Hilarious

 

[Vayra86]

We are in 2018 where 60 FPS it's old story at least for me since long time ago



You are Hilarious

And your profile pic says Xeon Enthusiast. I think we're done here

Meanwhile, on Ryzen 3... (!!)

 

[FireFox]

And your profile pic says Xeon Enthusiast. I think we're done here

OMG what does my profile has to do with all this, cant you be an Enthusiast of something and use it as Profile?

 

[Vayra86]

OMG what does my profile has to do with all this?

It shows your bias and my linked bench confirms that you're wrong. Even Ryzen 3 comfortably stays above 60 fps in the vast majority of titles, and it runs lower clocks than a Ryzen 5, while also being just 4c. At the same time this bench clearly shows why the 8600k and 8700k are filling the niche for high refresh rate gaming.

You need to open your eyes. Extra performance only matters if you can utilize it.

Also, here's why I say it matters ZERO when you are at 1440p or higher - and do note, Hitman 2016 is a DX12, well threaded game that keeps scaling in performance if you have it.

EDIT: yes, as to your comment below here; you just confirm what I am saying. This topic is about choosing between Ryzen and a 8700k, the question at hand was NEVER 'what is the fastest CPU one can buy'. 150 FPS is high refresh rate, yes? OK THANKS. Your 'zone' is irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh yes, here is the kicker: OP Has a GTX 1070.

 

[FireFox]

Even Ryzen 3 comfortable stays above 60 fps

Yeap but always behind the 8700K plus that is at 1920x1080 let's move to my Zone 2560 x 1440 where i have 150 FPS in Ultra settings

You need to open your eyes.

And you need to stop making Shows

 

[Vayra86]

Yeap but always behind the 8700K plus that is at 1920x1080 let's move to my Zone 2560 x 1440 where i have 150 FPS in Ultra settings



And you need to stop making Shows

Just admit you were being a bit silly and all is fine. Don't be a sore loser. My only 'show' is being on topic.

 

[FireFox]

Just admit you were being a bit silly and all is fine. Don't be a sore loser.

You wish.

However have a nice Sunday.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Actually both R7 1700 and 8700K would be worse value/performance for a 1070 rig than 8600K. And the point that one of you is making, namely why go 8700K if Ryzen can do 60, is just dumb. You wanna spend your money unwisely- do that with your own funds. Ryzen 7 is a great budget productivity/workstation CPU, and owes most of its deserved praise specifically to that, not gaming, where Intel still wins.

 

[Abdullah Aman]

so which one i go for PLZ simple answer

 

[cucker tarlson]

so which one i go for PLZ simple answer

what cpu and mobo are you running atm ?

 

[Final_Fighter]

im sure at 4k the gap is even less. my recommendation is the r7 1700 because as time goes on you are more then likely to use higher resolutions and even get the urge to upgrade. socket am4 is very capable and will meet all your needs. just pair it with a decent b350 motherboard and call it a day.

I am also recommending this because how intel went ahead and released their latest series of processors knowing there existed a potentially massive security issue. but not only that, it also effects ALL OF THEIR PREVIOUS GENERATION OF PROCESSORS. i dont believe i will see much of an impact but knowing they had an issue and still releasing this series was out of line. not to mention the CEO cashing in before the news broke.

The r7 1700 is a VERY capable processor and you should spend your money wisely. Until intel makes this right i cant recommend their procs atm. the fact that this stuff is now in news means the Chinese, Russians and other intelligence agency's are going to try and figure out how to exploit it. many government agencys that hold much of our personal information trusted intel and they still put their product on the market knowing it was not safe.

Please spend your money wisely. ultimately the best thing to do is wait and see if amd is also safe. give it a week but if you have to make a decision right now go amd.

 

[Vayra86]

8600k, or Ryzen 5 1600, depending on budget + how many things you usually do while you're gaming. If you have a lot running, Ryzen will probably be a smoother experience. If you don't, 8600k will guarantee higher FPS.

But since you're on a GTX 1070, I don't see the point of the 8600k, you're GPU limited either way.

If overclocking isnt your preference, the i5 8400 is an even better bang/buck. But its difficult to find one at this time + you overpay on a Z370 board you won't need.

 

[Final_Fighter]

so which one i go for PLZ simple answer

Get the r7 1700 or the r5 1600 + b350 mobo.

 

[Abdullah Aman]

what cpu and mobo are you running atm ?

sold my old pc going to buy a new motherboard and processor 8700k+ROG STRIX Z370-F GAMING or R7 1700 + ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO for the rest of PC read my previous post

 

[FireFox]

Ryzen 7 is a great budget productivity/workstation CPU, and owes most of its deserved praise specifically to that, not gaming, where Intel still wins.

Exactly.

AMD
WORKSTATION

Intel
GAMING

But for some people that is hard to understand/accept

 

[Vayra86]

Exactly.

AMD
WORKSTATION

Intel
GAMING

But for some people that is hard to understand/accept

gaming on ultra setting (I already have GTX 1070) Android studio work (For AMD Ryzen Android studio emulator works only on Linux) and web development and database work

What is this, 'how thick can I be' Sunday? I'm really questioning some people's reading ability right now. There is no way EITHER CPU will bottleneck a 1070.
If we are considering it good advice to just recommend the most expensive mainstream CPU for EVERY USE CASE, lets just put that in sticky somewhere and not waste time, OK? Otherwise, PLEASE. READ.

 

[notb]

Exactly.

AMD
WORKSTATION

Intel
GAMING

But for some people that is hard to understand/accept

Sorry, but this is SO not true.

AMD is non-existent in workstations. After 5 years of Bulldozer sadness they only had some market share in gaming/enthusiast client group. And guess what: they are marketing Ryzen almost purely for gaming at this point. They are also investing to make it a better gaming CPU (alliances with game studios etc). Zero interest in enterprise applications. In the meantime Vega FE also "evolved" from creativity to coin mining.
Intel dominates workstation (and enterprise computing in general). They are marketing their CPUs for this segment and they are investing to keep this position in the future.

Seriously, performance is of second importance. Especially now, when the gap became so small.

This is the second thread lately when someone asks about a CPU for Android Studio. I think we've already exhausted the topic - it was written for Intel and doesn't work well with AMD CPUs. And yet, people here keep suggesting Ryzen.

 

[HTC]

gaming on ultra setting (I already have GTX 1070) Android studio work (For AMD Ryzen Android studio emulator works only on Linux) and web development and database work

Can't recommend either way simply because i'm not familiar with the needs of the work intended you mentioned.

For gaming, Intel still rules, for now anyways: who knows after all this security debacle if that will still hold true.

 

[Vario]

so which one i go for PLZ simple answer

I just built and am running an i5-8600K and a Asrock Z370 Taichi with Gskill DDR4 Tridentz F43200C14-8GTZ and it is nice. Feels very fast, stable, and responsive. With most of these Z370 boards you should update the bios once you get it because it fixes issues with the overclock and turbo, easy to do. Someone above mentioned that If you are running Android Studio get an Intel. That would be a clear reason to get the Intel.

 

[IceScreamer]

If there were no issues with Android studio on Ryzen, I'd go with that. Since Ryzen (currently at least) is not working with Android studio properly then go with Intel. You wouldn't make a mistake choosing either of those.