What if prices don't fall for years...

[hat]

Haven't bought a PC for 10+ years.
I have bought lightweight IPads like the IPad 10.5"(2017) to play random app games for 2-5min. now and then.

• Heavy and large PC gaming in desktop form is a forgotten thing of past. Pirates took down the big game development and 1$ apps came to rescue.
• I have multiple vintage PCs to play pre 2010 games. Which are pretty much same or better than 2010+ games.

By the way 12" laptops are the most bought PCs today at stores. Nobody buys towers anymore.

I don't think so, Tim.

 

[user33331]

I haven't paid for a PC game since 2003 (Never used Steam, GOG, Windows store, Google play or such...)
Last game I bought was NFS underground 1.

 

[Readlight]

Haven't bought a PC for 10+ years.
I have bought lightweight IPads like the IPad 10.5"(2017) to play random app games for 2-5min. now and then.

• Heavy and large PC gaming in desktop form is a forgotten thing of past. Pirates took down the big game development and 1$ apps came to rescue.
• I have multiple vintage PCs to play pre 2010 games. Which are pretty much same or better than 2010+ games.

By the way 12" laptops are the most bought PCs today at stores. Nobody buys towers anymore.

When you start to see when in geekbench your computer is slower than Snapdragon845 mobile cpu i haw no will to waste more money for desktop.

 

[Vayra86]

I haven't paid for a PC game since 2003 (Never used Steam, GOG, Windows store, Google play or such...)
Last game I bought was NFS underground 1.

Do you want a cookie? Meanwhile, PC gaming has been booming for the past 4 years, but enjoy the Ipad.

 

[dirtyferret]

• Heavy and large PC gaming in desktop form is a forgotten thing of past. Pirates took down the big game development and 1$ apps came to rescue..

I've been playing pc games since the 80's, if anything there are more AAA titles now on the pc then any other time. Now you can say creativity and indie titles have been hurt by them but I don't think desktop pc gaming is a thing of the past and facts seem to back up my comment.

 

[trog100]

i have read that the days of a new phone every year are coming to an end.. people are just keeping last years model and not bothering keeping up with what amounts to a silly fashion..

for a while gaming desktops will come with more coars.. less ram and lesser graphics cards.. i was just looking at one (sold by currys) asus offering.. play the latest titles.. 8 gigs of ram and a 1050 gpu.. all in a pretty box with red led fans.. £750 quid..

1050 cards are now taking over from 1060 cards in a lot of pre-built gaming machines and 8 gigs of ram is becoming the norm..

trog

 

[EarthDog]

Thing is people are buying it, I see Amazon stocks constantly low and declining. I assume these are miners but their is obviously a paying market for it. I'm also seeing stories were middle men are paying up to $50k up front to wholesale so they can get shipments before retailers in order to mark up wholesale cost.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/cryptocurrency-dip-nvidia-volta

i think youve put the cart before the horse...

 

[dirtyferret]

i think youve put the cart before the horse...

??

 

[trickson]

Pre built desktop at fry's will cost a minimum of $800 bucks for a poor performance system like what I got, If you want real performance and a good Intel platform with RAM and a video card? Be prepared to shell out $2,500+ Dollars!
This is how you can tell the Cartman's from the Kenny's!

See I am poor I am a Kenny! Look at all my CRAP. Hell I can't even afford a keyboard or mouse! I get my stuff at Goodwill even Cases! Oh and I can't remember I think it was erocker whom sent me the best gift I ever have gotten too free! It is an ASUS HDMI 22" LCD monitor! Fing BEST GIFT EVER! I have used it every day and I still use it today it is my main screen! SO thank you very much for the BEST gift I have ever received (NO LIE)!

So #@$% suck it up and move on! Prices WILL never go down and you will pay or like me be a Kenny!

 

[Vario]

Well i5 8600k, z370 mobo, and 16gb DDR4 was about $650 total. If graphics card prices fall, I desire something equivalent to a 1070 or Vega56, so maybe the total system cost is around $1000. Already had case, power supply, harddrives, fans, cpu cooler. $2500 is a bit extreme. If you parted out the extra systems you have you could probably get somewhere between $100-300 to put into a single system. Might cover graphics card if prices ever fall. Of course right now, buying a graphics card is a bad idea.

Pre built desktop at fry's will cost a minimum of $800 bucks for a poor performance system like what I got, If you want real performance and a good Intel platform with RAM and a video card? Be prepared to shell out $2,500+ Dollars!
This is how you can tell the Cartman's from the Kenny's!

See I am poor I am a Kenny! Look at all my CRAP. Hell I can't even afford a keyboard or mouse! I get my stuff at Goodwill even Cases! Oh and I can't remember I think it was erocker whom sent me the best gift I ever have gotten too free! It is an ASUS HDMI 22" LCD monitor! Fing BEST GIFT EVER! I have used it every day and I still use it today it is my main screen! SO thank you very much for the BEST gift I have ever received (NO LIE)!

So #@$% suck it up and move on! Prices WILL never go down and you will pay or like me be a Kenny!

 

[trog100]

i just paid £500 quid for an 8700K and asus 370 motherboard bundle.. add £200 for 16 gig of ram and £600 for a 1070 TI gpu.. total = £1300 quid at todays UK prices..

trog

 

[toyo]

I guess people will have to save longer, upgrade much more rarely, and learn to be happy with what they have. As usual, those living in shithole countries where a salary is 4-5 times lower than US and the PC parts prices 30%-40% higher will get hit the hardest. I had to pay 590USD for my 1070Ti - and that was well before the price hike, AND it was a cheap one too.

 

[mastershake575]

That's not what I remember, and these guys agree with me..

This is what techpowerup (website that we are on) said about the 1050 in the 32 page review "Averaged over our performance suite, the GTX 1050 is about 15% faster than the GTX 950, matching the aging GTX 960".........

I don't understand peoples obsession with slamming this card (way to many haters out there)

 

[NTM2003]

starting to see memory price go down it was $268 for 2 8GB DDR4 sticks now $238 are prices finally going down? the same brand that's in my specs list.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M0GSOYC/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IYSAVYZGLIR1&colid=GTC8PBTVCXNF&psc=0

 

[Vayra86]

Pre built desktop at fry's will cost a minimum of $800 bucks for a poor performance system like what I got, If you want real performance and a good Intel platform with RAM and a video card? Be prepared to shell out $2,500+ Dollars!
This is how you can tell the Cartman's from the Kenny's!

See I am poor I am a Kenny! Look at all my CRAP. Hell I can't even afford a keyboard or mouse! I get my stuff at Goodwill even Cases! Oh and I can't remember I think it was erocker whom sent me the best gift I ever have gotten too free! It is an ASUS HDMI 22" LCD monitor! Fing BEST GIFT EVER! I have used it every day and I still use it today it is my main screen! SO thank you very much for the BEST gift I have ever received (NO LIE)!

So #@$% suck it up and move on! Prices WILL never go down and you will pay or like me be a Kenny!

Well I don't know where you're looking, but I bought my 8700k + 16 GB DDR4 + case + expensive case fans x3 + high end cooler + 1TB SSD for as little as 1300 EUR, which is probably lower in US $.

Just yesterday, for my parents' new desktop, I came up with this cost effective beauty. Total cost including 8GB RAM + W10 license will amount to about 400 EUR tax included. And our recent reviews over here confirm that this system will do light gaming and most of everything else. Also, note the 250GB SSD.

Now consider the high price of a midrange GPU like the 1060 6GB... which is 399 eur at this time, and you still end up with a powerful gaming rig for less than 800 EUR / $.

Seriously... people overreact.

 

[NTM2003]

I love to have a 2TB SSD M.2 but for $1200 no thanks for now, So I wont have to use a HDD.

 

[dyonoctis]

Well I don't know where you're looking, but I bought my 8700k + 16 GB DDR4 + case + expensive case fans x3 + high end cooler for as little as 1300 EUR, which is probably lower in US $.

Just yesterday, for my parents' new desktop, I came up with this cost effective beauty. Total cost including 8GB RAM + W10 license will amount to about 400 EUR tax included. And our recent reviews over here confirm that this system will do light gaming and most of everything else. Also, note the 250GB SSD.

Now consider the high price of a midrange GPU like the 1060 6GB... which is 399 eur at this time, and you still end up with a powerful gaming rig for less than 800 EUR / $.

Seriously... people overreact.

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Yhea, for a gaming box, it's actually a good deal, techspot showed that with a GTX1060 a Ryzen 3 is going to do a wonderfull job : https://www.techspot.com/review/1463-ryzen-3-gaming/page2.html
however for people looking to build a pc going over just gaming those + 100, 200 € coud have been better invested. Even if i can buy something, the fact that i know that i overpaid it just won't sit well with me. I was supposed to uppgrade from my 3gb 1060 this month, but I suddenly don't feel like it. Now my plan is to put some money aside, and try to grab something big on release before seeing the prices going crazy again, so that i would not care for the 3 years to come.

 

[Ahhzz]

I don't anticipate ever moving to a console for gaming. There are several games that I would enjoy on consoles only, but I couldn't give up the PC side. That said, I'm with you, @dirtyferret . I'm also sitting on a 2500k, and a Sapphire 290 Vapor. I've got memory to run a while, and tons of drive space (if I uninstall the games I'm not playing), but if prices don't drop back towards what I consider reasonable, I'll be sitting on my box for another year at least...

 

[Vayra86]

Yhea, for a gaming box, it's actually a good deal, techspot showed that with a GTX1060 a Ryzen 3 is going to do a wonderfull job : https://www.techspot.com/review/1463-ryzen-3-gaming/page2.html
however for people looking to build a pc going over just gaming those + 100, 200 € coud have been better invested. Even if i can buy something, the fact that i know that i overpaid it just won't sit well with me. I was supposed to uppgrade from my 3gb 1060 this month, but I suddenly don't feel like it. Now my plan is to put some money aside, and try to grab something big on release before seeing the prices going crazy again, so that i would not care for the 3 years to come.

I get ya, but the title of this topic is 'what if prices don't fall for years'...

There is a point where people consider pricing of a certain level to become the new 'normal'

 

[NTM2003]

I think SSD prices need to come down but I think $1200 for a 2tb Samsung pro m.2 is the price it's always been

 

[dyonoctis]

I get ya, but the title of this topic is 'what if prices don't fall for years'...

There is a point where people consider pricing of a certain level to become the new 'normal'

Well, it's true that the gtx 1xxx for example were higher priced than what they replaced, but the gain in speed was huge enough so that you wouldn't care. Top of the line gpu going above 600 € was also a novelty back when 300-400 € would get you the fastest thing available. But again when compared to what existed before, you could swallow it.
What I'm wondering though is if the next generation of gpu will actually launch with inflated msrp were you would get less for more money compared to the old gen ?

If the GTX 2060 were to offer 1080 speed for 400 € you would actually have little reason to complain, after a few years i can see people forgeting and being okay with that. Because you would still get more for less.

 

[toyo]

Yhea, for a gaming box, it's actually a good deal, techspot showed that with a GTX1060 a Ryzen 3 is going to do a wonderfull job

The 1060, especially the one with 6GB, should be more than enough for 1080p.
But there are some worrying trends in recent gaming. You could put them on lack of optimizing, but in the end, if you want to play a game, you will have to take whatever the devs gives you, for better of worse. Examples:
- Assassin Creed: Origins - my 1070Ti will do 100fps+... in the desert. Back in town, 70 and high 60s, and we're at 99% GPU utilization, not CPU limited.
- Kingdom Come Deliverance, I had drops to as low as 40fps... absolutely disgusting
- Deus Ex is barely averaging around 60 fps if I dare to MSAAx2
- even the older Mass Effect Andromeda can drop to 60-70 fps on specific planets
- FF XV benchmark would average 70fps+, but there were framedrops and some dips below 60.

And this is at 1080p! Yes, with maxed settings, but one doesn't really buy a 1070 to play with Medium settings. You can drop settings, but it really feels bad that you have to do it at a resolution as low as 1080p, when everyone is hyping 4K.

What I'm trying to say here is that there are some tendencies to raise both CPU and GPU requirements, especially now with XboxoneX out. Then there are these rumors about Ampere/2000 series coming soon, and from the last 2 generations of Nvidia cards, they will probably compete with the 1080Ti. It will take a few months, but this will result in yet another bump in system requirements. Personally I'm expecting the 970/980/1060 3GB to go the way of the dodo by the end of 2018 just like the 780Ti went. I also expect having to play on High not Ultra at 1080p by that time too on my 1070ti.

This is why I kinda consider buying pretty much any GPU now quite a bad deal.

 

[Jetster]

Did I mention I paid $200 for my GTX 980 Ti a year ago? Prices have only been high for 6 months.

 

[Vayra86]

The 1060, especially the one with 6GB, should be more than enough for 1080p.
But there are some worrying trends in recent gaming. You could put them on lack of optimizing, but in the end, if you want to play a game, you will have to take whatever the devs gives you, for better of worse. Examples:
- Assassin Creed: Origins - my 1070Ti will do 100fps+... in the desert. Back in town, 70 and high 60s, and we're at 99% GPU utilization, not CPU limited.
- Kingdom Come Deliverance, I had drops to as low as 40fps... absolutely disgusting
- Deus Ex is barely averaging around 60 fps if I dare to MSAAx2
- even the older Mass Effect Andromeda can drop to 60-70 fps on specific planets
- FF XV benchmark would average 70fps+, but there were framedrops and some dips below 60.

And this is at 1080p! Yes, with maxed settings, but one doesn't really buy a 1070 to play with Medium settings. You can drop settings, but it really feels bad that you have to do it at a resolution as low as 1080p, when everyone is hyping 4K.

What I'm trying to say here is that there are some tendencies to raise both CPU and GPU requirements, especially now with XboxoneX out. Then there are these rumors about Ampere/2000 series coming soon, and from the last 2 generations of Nvidia cards, they will probably compete with the 1080Ti. It will take a few months, but this will result in yet another bump in system requirements. Personally I'm expecting the 970/980/1060 3GB to go the way of the dodo by the end of 2018 just like the 780Ti went. I also expect having to play on High not Ultra at 1080p by that time too on my 1070ti.

This is why I kinda consider buying pretty much any GPU now quite a bad deal.

There are more limitations to a game's performance than just 'CPU and GPU utilization'. What that % usage shows you is only a broad overview of the pipeline. Almost all game engines for example bottleneck on draw calls, which is something DX12 and Vulkan have the potential (needs to be implemented/adjusted to) of handling better. But there is also RAM throughput, or simply just limitations of the engine itself. Not everything is fixable with 'more hardware'. Good coding can go a long way, but even then, there are dependencies within the code that you just cannot circumvent and they will cost a specific amount of cycles to complete. You only need one of those to kill FPS for everything, AC:Origins, Deus Ex and Andromeda contain many for example and they also both carry heavy DRM that impacts CPU usage in a big way. Another notable culprit is a physics simulation in-game. The amount of games that can do good physics without sacrificing performance are rare.

 

[Shihab]

Not sure if this has been said (too lazy to read all this. Social-media induced ADHD 'n all), but I'm going to say this anyway: There are two possibilities here,
A- The mining bubble "bursts," market is flooded with used hardware, new hardware is forced to retail at exactly MSRP (if not less) due to lower demand.
B- Mining becomes a fact of life, OEMs start to believe that they can invest in more manufacturing lines and ramp up the production to meet the demand, prices drop (which still translates to extra $$ to them, even at lower retail prices).

Assuming, of course, that the MSRP itself isn't bumped up (beyond inflation adjustment).

I assume the same could be said concerning the flash memory issue.