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CHOO CHOOOOO!!!!1! Navi Hype Train be rollin'

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All cards can support Ray Tracing its the acceleration in consumer hardware that's new.

Turing RT cores accelerates BVH and Triangle intersection, That's off loaded.
 
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"Future product made with smaller process node could get faster than current product. Or nots."
 
Interesting news. Maybe an alternative to ngreedia's rtx cards that is way to exspensive vs. Performance and last gen cards performance as well.

Lets see if the train keeps rolling or stop when amd officually reveals it.
 
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"Enhanced GCN Graphics Architecture"

I smell something familiar, it smells like... *sniff* Polaris
 
Given that recent CryTek demo was running on a Vega 56, this wouldn't even be impressive really.
 
In the article they are claiming Navi 20 will exceed 2080 Ti peformance. I think the caveat to that was that they were talking about RTRT.
 
I want AMD GPU to to be competitive. However from its recent track record I really can't see how they can pull a miracle, at the very least when they are still using GCN. A design lean heavily on simple brute force instead of efficiency simply is not gonna be good enough.


Previously derailed hype train from WCCF:

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-performance-gtx-1080-ti-titan-xp/

https://wccftech.com/amd-vega-64-x2/

https://wccftech.com/amd-hbm-fury-x-fastest-world/

https://wccftech.com/amd-unveils-polaris-11-10-gpu/


These type of hyping post was never good. I was guilty of starting many of the old AMD hype post here as well. AMD GPU are at best good for mid to low tier markets.


I have more hope in Intel's discrete GPU TBH. Most of the original ATI team are now at Intel now. Quoting Kyle's article here:
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility

The former ATi team now under Intel's R&D budget will surely put out some serious punch. If there is anything to be hyped I'd rather hype the Intel Xe than Navi


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xkm1948 said:
I want AMD GPU to to be competitive. However from its recent track record I really can't see how they can pull a miracle, at the very least when they are still using GCN. A design lean heavily on simple brute force instead of efficiency simply is not gonna be good enough.


Previously derailed hype train from WCCF:

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-performance-gtx-1080-ti-titan-xp/

https://wccftech.com/amd-vega-64-x2/

https://wccftech.com/amd-hbm-fury-x-fastest-world/

https://wccftech.com/amd-unveils-polaris-11-10-gpu/


These type of hyping post was never good. I was guilty of starting many of the old AMD hype post here as well. AMD GPU are at best good for mid to low tier markets.


I have more hope in Intel's discrete GPU TBH. Most of the original ATI team are now at Intel now. Quoting Kyle's article here:
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility

The former ATi team now under Intel's R&D budget will surely put out some serious punch. If there is anything to be hyped I'd rather hype the Intel Xe than Navi


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Rather have three healthy competitors than just two though. It's a win for the consumer.
 
It's a "Polaris 10" successor and will probably beat RTX 2060.
 
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It's a "Polaris 10" successor and will probably beat RTX 2060.
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Hope not, just bought a RTX 2060 and it's flying with a little more oc on top of MSI's factory oc.
 
XiGMAKiD said:
"Enhanced GCN Graphics Architecture"

I smell something familiar, it smells like... *sniff* Polaris
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*another sniff* A hint of Fiji
*more whiff* Hmm..a bit of Vega, but it missing something...
Sniffing intensifies

On a serious note, if its another GCN and still on 4 Shader Engine, just forget about any large performance improvement. Even some of Vega 'special sauce' like DSBR and NGG fastpath is either disabled or need API/game support.
 
Xzibit said:
All cards can support Ray Tracing its the acceleration in consumer hardware that's new.
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And what matters if you want to use it in any meaningful way...

As for hype trains... Mugabe. Kill it like his presidency. (kudos to those who get the reference).
 
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Rather have three healthy competitors than just two though. It's a win for the consumer.
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Intel's main focus is AI, gaming is second or 3rd on their list if not deadlast, don't follow their hype.
 
Honestly it's just unreasonable to expect AMD to be completely competitive with Nvidia or Intel. Take a look at revenue from 2018:

Intel 70.8 billion dollars
Nvidia 11.7 billion dollars
AMD 6.5 billion dollars

Bear in mind that the revenue for AMD includes both their CPU and GPU businesses. How much of the money they are able to spend on R&D I don't know but it's clear they can't spend what they don't have. They are working to get out of debt as well. If they can manage to compete with Nvidia on entry level and midrange then that's all I really expect from them.
 
Still on gcn and rely on 7nm perf power increases,what can go wrong with that.
 
I think a lot of people equate GCN to only being a fixed micro architecture, when in fact it's also an ISA. A new GCN core does not mean it's the same compute unit design or arrangement, but it does mean that it uses and supports the GCN ISA. AMD has done an extremely poor job of distinguishing the two, and it's lead to the majority of people just glossing over any improvements at the micro architectural level because "it's still just GCN".
 
well,I'll give navi a shot,though I can't say I'm on the hype traing.they're on 7nm so they can afford smaller dies and tbh it's now or never for them to push nvidia off tracks.
 
This is why I don't like reading sites like Wccftech. It's like reading a schoolboys fantasy blog. I'd rather just read about the real performance results at review after release. Until that happens, anyone can speculate anything.
 
biffzinker said:
Rather have three healthy competitors than just two though. It's a win for the consumer.
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Not sure about a win for consumer, but surely a loss for AMD. Seriously, they just won't fit in this market.
Intel's computing products will go against Nvidia, but there's a lot of market to share here. Gaming products, on the other hand, will be mostly harming AMD. If Intel manages to secure a console or game streaming deal, I don't see how Radeon branch could survive.
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Intel's main focus is AI, gaming is second or 3rd on their list if not deadlast, don't follow their hype.
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Of course it is. So?
Gaming is also second on Nvidia's list and look where it took them in the PC gaming industry.

From the big 3, AMD is the only company focusing on gaming and this is what led them to the small market share they have today.
More or less the same number of people played games on PCs/consoles in 2005, when AMD had 40% CPU market share and ATI was briefly > 50%.
Intel and Nvidia invested heavily in other markets (computing, mobile, AI, IoT, cars) - that's what provided them with growth potential.
 
I just wanna see what Navi brings to the table when it arrives, no hype, no expectations just the facts. The rest is just as a fart, it only warms for so long and sometimes its wet.
 
A fanboy yt channel is now quoted as a source for a clickbait article,proof people never learned.
 
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