AMD's Zen 2 Threadripper Conspicuously Absent From Company's Latest Roadmaps

[Vya Domus]

Or maybe Zen 2 TR isn't going to come out this year ? Stop looking too much into this.

 

[Caring1]

Who really cares if TR is cut from the line up, we're getting increased core count and faster clocks, be happy folks.

 

[Vayra86]

Wow what happened in here, its like an anti amd sausage fest... The usual suspects plus a few new faces all stroking each others Intel epeens... Bye

More like the whole forum is an anti Intel + Nvidia sausage fest. That´s how TpU is known nowadays on every forum. Go check every Intel or Nvidia article comments section and surprise yourself.

This sounds like a very balanced forum to me, if you can both read your own truth on here, we really can't get much better can we.

Let's all be anti everything so we can hate in equal measure. Fun!

 

[95Viper]

Stay on topic.
Quit bickering.
Trolls leave.
Only and last warning.

Thank You, have a nice, clean, civil discussion on the topic.

 

[InVasMani]

So when Nvidia or Intel make mistakes you f*cking hate them but when shitty AMD does this bullshit you "it's no problem"

I don't see the problem with this Intel and Nvidia don't need to be cut any slack where they are situated at present. It's much easier to give a AMD a bit more leeway for the time being. Neither Intel nor Nvidia deserves any real leeway at this point in time so in relative terms "It's no problem." not to mention AMD didn't do much wrong here they missed their road map a bit, but hey no worries Intel's 10nm is right on schedule!?

More like the whole forum is an anti Intel + Nvidia sausage fest. That´s how TpU is known nowadays on every forum. Go check every Intel or Nvidia article comments section and surprise yourself.

As it should be in a David vs Goliath tech battle. Besides when Goliath is a price gouging sob he'll receive no sympathy or condolences when brought back down to size.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

More like the whole forum is an anti Intel + Nvidia sausage fest. That´s how TpU is known nowadays on every forum. Go check every Intel or Nvidia article comments section and surprise yourself.

Your kinda proving my point, but please carry on

 

[EarthDog]

Or Ryzen 3x00 is packing 16/12 cores so Threadripper isn't needed right away?

There you go... surely it's a combo of a lot of things, but I'd imagine its covered with existing TR, and the crossover of so many c/t on mainstream Zen 2 anyway.

Edit: Lol at TPU being TPU...

 

[Wavetrex]

HEDT will become unnecessary very soon.

It only appeared in the past because Intel has offered maximum 4 cores on the mainstream for so long... and they found a marketing way of selling massively overpriced extra cores by calling it "High-End Desktop".
They could have easily made 6-core or 8-core on the mainstream since Broadwell (which is also 14nm, like presend day Coffee Lake) if they really wanted... but with a monopoly and AMD nowhere, they invented this "HEDT" concept instead.

If Zen2 is capable of 16 cores on the mainstream, TR (or AMD's HEDT) is simply unnecessary for anyone but the most extreme workstation users, who still have the choice of the 32-core existing TR.
It could also (almost) kill Intel's HEDT, simply with (much) lower platform price.

 

[oxidized]

TR doesn't really makes sense anymore if Ryzen 3000 series lineup will include 12 and 16 cores SKUs

 

[InVasMani]

I don't see the problem with this Intel and Nvidia don't need to be cut any slack where they are situated at present. It's much easier to give a AMD a bit more leeway for the time being. Neither Intel nor Nvidia deserves any real leeway at this point in time so in relative terms "It's no problem." not to mention AMD didn't do much wrong here they missed their road map a bit, but hey no worries Intel's 10nm is right on schedule!?

As it should be in a David vs Goliath tech battle. Besides when Goliath is a price gouging sob he'll receive no sympathy or condolences when brought back down to size.

Or maybe Zen 2 TR isn't going to come out this year ? Stop looking too much into this.

Exactly beside maybe AMD will cherry pick the better high frequency Epyc dies for TR and the delay just reflects better binning for whatever Zen 2 TR ends up becoming. At this point I'm not at all surprised by a possible TR delay information on it has been scarce for over a year now while we've seen quite a bit on Ryzen and Epyc. I don't think that's just coincidence go figure.

 

[Splinterdog]

If nothing else, at least I now know what HEDT stands for.

 

[Hardware Geek]

Exactly beside maybe AMD will cherry pick the better high frequency Epyc dies for TR and the delay just reflects better binning for whatever Zen 2 TR ends up becoming. At this point I'm not at all surprised by a possible TR delay information on it has been scarce for over a year now while we've seen quite a bit on Ryzen and Epyc. I don't think that's just coincidence go figure.

Considering the amount of demand for the epyc processors, which can't be overclocked, it only makes sense to delay threadripper and save the dies that clock the fastest until they have a sufficient supply when they do launch it. I can wait until next year to upgrade

 

[kings]

As it should be in a David vs Goliath tech battle.

I don´t agree with that, doing that would turn out to be just cheap criticism.

Companies should be praised or criticized for their products (quality/performance/utility/features/price, etc) and not because they are big or small companies!

Or are we going to start praising bad products, just because they are from a small or smaller company? (and before there is confusion, I'm not talking about AMD, I'm talking generically about any company).

 

[Valantar]

I don´t agree with that, doing that would turn out to be just cheap criticism.

Companies should be praised or criticized for their products (quality/performance/utility/features/price, etc) and not because they are big or small companies!

Or are we going to start praising bad products, just because they are from a small or smaller company? (and before there is confusion, I'm not talking about AMD, I'm talking generically about any company).

There's nuance to be added to this: larger companies (particularly those with dominant/near-monopolistic market positions) deserve and require more scrutiny as they have more power to abuse and are more likely to do so. Likewise, it's easier to cut the underdog some slack - for the same reasons, mostly, as having less power not only lessens the ability to abuse it, but puts concrete roadblocks in the way of success. This is why a minor delay for AMD is much less of a big deal than a minor delay for Intel, let alone a major delay like 10nm. Gargantuan market leaders have every opportunity to deliver beyond expectations, and thus failing to do so is disappointing - hence how people quickly grew tired of Intel's 4c8t +~7% performance/year cadence. Small-fry competitors impress when they stay competitive despite having a fraction of the resources - like AMD's blockbuster success with Ryzen. Put rather bluntly, it's the same logic as praising a runner with a limp for finishing the marathon at all, while criticizing the world-class athlete for performing below par, even if the athlete's time is half of the other. Different standards for different entities, even when operating in the same field.

This doesn't mean that AMD should be excused for bad products (I don't see many people touting the VII as the second coming of Raptor Jesus, so I don't think this is actually happening), or that they're somehow "a good corporation" (I'd argue that those don't exist, as the goal of any profit-oriented business is to extract money from the general public), but that they deserve more praise for (even moderate) success and less criticism for not quite making deadlines than Intel.

 

[Valantar]

You have been reported

I did the same, and @95Viper did step in above. Doesn't seem to have made that much of a difference, sadly.

 

[eidairaman1]

I did the same, and @95Viper did step in above. Doesn't seem to have made that much of a difference, sadly.

He may not have credentials to remove posts here.

That persons comments do not belong here.

 

[Hardware Geek]

He may not have credentials to remove posts here.

That persons comments do not belong here.

Sadly, civility seems to be the exception nowadays.
I'm not a fanboy of either company, but I'm glad to see AMD doing well. Competition is beneficial to consumers. I doubt we'd have seen Intel increase core counts had AMD not introduced Ryzen.

 

[SL2]

I don't understand comments like "16 cores ought to be enough for anybody". Sure, most buyers wants 16 cores or less,
but the next Threadripper is supposed to have 64 cores, that's on a whole different level, even with a lower clock speed.

I don't think the average TPU member is the target audience, at least I'm not.

 

[Xuper]

Perhaps 2020? How about Putting 32GB HBM on TR 16 Cores?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Perhaps 2020? How about Putting 32GB HBM on TR 16 Cores?

THAT would be a hell of a thing! Pricey, but awesome!

 

[Hardware Geek]

I don't understand comments like "16 cores ought to be enough for anybody". Sure, most buyers wants 16 cores or less,
but the next Threadripper is supposed to have 64 cores, that's on a whole different level, even with a lower clock speed.

I don't think the average TPU member is the target audience, at least I'm not.

Agreed. These kinds of products are mostly for creative professionals and geeks like me who want all the pcie lanes. I'm planning on building a home server with mine when it does get launched.

 

[IceShroom]

Looks like lots of paid shill with no grey-matter in this news/rumor.
That road map is for 2019. AMD could to release TR 3000 Series in 2020 when they have sufficient amount of Chiplet for TR.
And TR release 5-6 month after mainstream(Zen/Zen+) and server(Zen). So if mainstream release in Q3( June 6th month, July 7th month, August 8th month), 6 month after that will be January 2020 - March 2020.

 

[HD64G]

As some already wrote, it will be launched in 2020. They need more highly-binned chips for TR in order to get the perofrmance and wattage needed. That is also the only reason for the delay of the 16C Ryzen 3000 chip. They need the best clocks possible this time in order to get at least equal or win Intel in single-threaded apps as MT will be their field eitherway.

 

[Valantar]

Looks like lots of paid shill with no grey-matter in this news/rumor.
That road map is for 2019. AMD could to release TR 3000 Series in 2020 when they have sufficient amount of Chiplet for TR.
And TR release 5-6 month after mainstream(Zen/Zen+) and server(Zen). So if mainstream release in Q3( June 6th month, July 7th month, August 8th month), 6 month after that will be January 2020 - March 2020.

"I disagree slightly with the judgement of the person writing the report, so they obviously are a brainless paid shill." Yeah, that's not how a constructive discussion works. Not to mention that your arguments have been presented previously in this thread by people capable of not being an ass while doing so.

 

[EarthDog]

Sadly, civility seems to be the exception nowadays.
I'm not a fanboy of either company, but I'm glad to see AMD doing well. Competition is beneficial to consumers. I doubt we'd have seen Intel increase core counts had AMD not introduced Ryzen.

I SOOOOOO agree with your first two lines...and then we diverge.

I wouldn't have minded if core counts continued to go up slowly... it was a perfect market segmentation to reality ratio... mainstream had up to 6c/12t while HEDT was that and a lot more. Now, most consumers will think it has 'moar corez sew et must bee bet0r'.... and for those who can use them, that is correct. The problem is most users can't and software is still severely behind as well. As I said earlier, at least back in the day with clock speed wars and IPC, that improved everyone's experience regardless. Here, its really an only if they are used type situation.