CCX Overclocking Tool for AMD CPUs Updated With New Features

[mat9v]

My task is to warn, and users decide for themselves what to do



28 July , I have prepared a lot of interesting things for you
I will make an announcement in the middle of the week

Hey, that's gr8, 28 july is my birthday

 

[Yuke]

Hiho,

let me get something straight here. As long as i set manual voltages, like i've been doing for years on my motherboards, everything is OK with CCX-OC?

 

[pal]

I think de8auer is using this tool too, from some videos I saw on YT

 

[lexluthermiester]

I think de8auer is using this tool too, from some videos I saw on YT

Links?

 

[vega22]

AMD has done a great job for the masses to bring a intelligent boost state to its CPUs but a terrible job for any of the manual overclockers out there.

imo they have killed manual overclocking.

with xfr and pbo nobody needs to now, just add cooling and the chip will give you all it's got.

why are people shocked to hear an top tier clocker uses/creates tools that push performance at the cost of longevity?

they don't pay for their hardware, they get paid for results that highlight the bleeding edge performance not 24/7 mission critical stability.

i have lots of respect for what shimano has done over the years, he is a god tier clocker. much the same as i have for 1usmus. but for totally different reasons.

 

[Aerpoweron]

I think as well, that AMD did a great job on getting the max out of each chip. Sadly, not much to do for Overclockers.
AMD set our expectations too high with their marketing. Which might bite them in the ass when the fried CPUs from the CCX OC tool get back via RMA.

Adoredtv pointed out some interesting thoughts on why AMD consumer CPUs are so "bad"

To make it short, AMD saves the best chiplets for the Epic server cpus. So we just get the chiplets with the poorer quality. With the 4000 series we might get the higher quality chiplets which have higher clocks.

I think he is right on that one, and i even can't blame AMD to get as much money out of Ryzen 3000 as they can. They even made their 2000 series absolete and are a competition for their Threadripper series. And i personally think that PCI-E 4 will stay on the pre X570 boards. AMD fought against the Unlocking of Phenom II as well, but just gave up.

Links?

Here is the link to the CCX OC Video

 

[Jism]

imo they have killed manual overclocking.

with xfr and pbo nobody needs to now, just add cooling and the chip will give you all it's got.

why are people shocked to hear an top tier clocker uses/creates tools that push performance at the cost of longevity?

they don't pay for their hardware, they get paid for results that highlight the bleeding edge performance not 24/7 mission critical stability.

i have lots of respect for what shimano has done over the years, he is a god tier clocker. much the same as i have for 1usmus. but for totally different reasons.

Intel is part of that to blame too. The more expensive, K series with a unlocked multiplier for example. AMD has bin bringing CPU´s without a locked MP for a longer time now. Every ryzen comes with a unlocked multiplier for that matter. But the gain for manual vs automatic overclocking is within tiny margins. Yes you can obtain a stronger multithreaded manual overclock but 99% at the price of single core performance (boost state gone). Or you take a good motherboard with a seperate clock generator and aim for BCLK overclocking, however, anything above 103.9 Mhz shows a negative impact on latencys as shown with the 2700x series, it was possible tho to archieve 4.55Ghz single core boost and a tad higher all core boost. Theres still potential, you just gotta do effort for it these days.

As for CCX oc`ing: most apps or games do not utilitize all 16 threads on a regular ryzen CPU. Many games such as Pubg and so just allocate 4 threads. It makes sense to aim for CCX only overclocking where 4 out of 8 or even 12 / 16 cores are clocked highest, and with a software tool automaticly assign the most using threads to the fastest cores. This way you could still archieve some profit here and there, but the effort from old school bios adjustments, reboot, testing, adjustments and retesting has now shifted to basicly software tweaking.

 

[Tatty_Two]

To play Devil's Advocate, how can a comment about Ryzen overclocking expectations/potential be "off topic", in a thread about Ryzen overclocking?

The thread is about a CCX overclocking tool, the comments I referred to talked about an AMD and AMD "fans" Hypetrain pre launch , the fact that Zen+ was not stable at stock speeds and how disappointing the launch and the architecture was, none of that as far as I can see has anything to do with this software.

 

[Rafi Crazy]

1usmus is the programmer of the Ryzen DRAM calculator:

Ryzen DRAM Calculator 1.5.1 release (overclocking DRAM on AM4)

Hi guys, I created a calculator that will make it easier to overclock the memory. It works with all kinds of memory and all zen processors. Ryzen DRAM...

forums.guru3d.com

Not sure what kind of magic he used to get those numbers out, but they work ! Removes most of the guesswork from timings tightening and memory overclocking.
Love it !

So he clearly knows more than us about those CPUs.... heck, he might even secretly be an AMD employee

I tried His tool on many types of Rams and motherboards , they never bootup .sorry for bad English .

 

[Wavetrex]

I tried His tool on many types of Rams and motherboards , they never bootup .sorry for bad English .

Did you just register to write this without providing any evidence or any other information on what you tried and how ?
Pinocchio's nose keeps growing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Did you just register to write this without providing any evidence or any other information on what you tried and how ?
Pinocchio's nose keeps growing.

What evidence do you think they can provide? They tried it, didn't work for him. Utilities, even when well written, are not 100% perfect.

 

[Wavetrex]

Utilities, even when well written, are not 100% perfect.

No, it's probably more of a case of:

Overclocking isn't for everyone.

What is more concerning however is that someone registers on a forum and first thing they post is throw blame of something or someone else, without providing any kind of evidence of their claim, or explaining anything about what they tried to do.

That is instant-ringing-of-troll-alarm-bells.

Adoredtv pointed out some interesting thoughts on why AMD consumer CPUs are so "bad":

---video-was-removed---

To make it short, AMD saves the best chiplets for the Epic server cpus. So we just get the chiplets with the poorer quality. With the 4000 series we might get the higher quality chiplets which have higher clocks.

Oh wow, wth happened to that video ?
It was named "AMDone", and he ended by "I'll stop believing anything that AMD marketing says, they lie through their teeth"
He was quite harsh on the launch of this generation, on how AMD "adjusted" their slides and presentations to mean something else than initially...

My understanding is that he tried to explain why his previous "predictions" fell short by A LOT, and the fact that it's very difficult to explain why 3000 series aren't clocking as high as they -should- on 7nm, and the conclusion is:

The entire Ryzen 3000 series is "garbage chips" with high leakage that are rejected for EPYC use, which they sell to consumers because even as bad as they are, they are still better than what Intel offers in most metrics.
Such claim might also explain why these "garbage chips" run so hot out of the box, and why they need massive voltage spikes in PB ( up to 1.5 ) to clock to their specs, 4400-4600 mhz, which not only is not much higher than previous gen, but also much lower than what should be possible on 7nm.

Selling "trash" as the latest and greatest....
Hmm... I wonder why the video was removed?

(Well I bought one of these trash chips, because it's less trash than the Intel trash I had before)

 

[lexluthermiester]

What is more concerning however is that someone registers on a forum and first thing they post is throw blame of something or someone else, without providing any kind of evidence of their claim, or explaining anything about what they tried to do.

That is instant-ringing-of-troll-alarm-bells.

Let's review..

I tried His tool on many types of Rams and motherboards , they never bootup .sorry for bad English .

While I would normally agree with you, this isn't the kind of comment that the trolls offer. This user simply offered input on their experience in a non-offensive way. When I asked what evidence they could provide, I was directly implying that any such evidence would be a pain to provide. A series of pictures might work, but that assumes that they have a good camera. Not everyone in the world does. All I'm saying is that you're being a bit harsh without much cause.

 

[Wavetrex]

I tried His tool on many types of Rams and motherboards , they never bootup .sorry for bad English .

A series of pictures might work, but that assumes that they have a good camera. Not everyone in the world does.

C'mon lex... what you said is just ridiculous.

The just registered guy says that he has access to "many... RAMs and motherboards. PLURAL., but he doesn't have access to a bloody camera ?
When every lousy phone starting with $100 has a camera good enough for an art exposition ?

I really don't understand why are you trying to defend an obvious troll.
"Let's register on this forum and dump some unsubstantiated bull$hit about something !"

Anyway, I'm done here.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The just registered guy says that he has access to "many... RAMs and motherboards. PLURAL., but he doesn't have access to a bloody camera ?

That's a language barrier problem. You live in Europe and a very affluent part of Europe. Maybe where they live cell phones/camera's are not as prolific. There are parts of the world like that.

I really don't understand why are you trying to defend an obvious troll.
"Let's register on this forum and dump some unsubstantiated bull$hit about something !"

Because I don't think they're being a troll. You are making that assumption. I am not. Their comment was not aggressive.

Anyway, I'm done here.

Ok.