My First AMD Build

[Lorec]

I have found a Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE for €377.50 including 20% taxes, which is around $416, so I might just get it. Where I first checked, it is like €100 more.

// Update:

So, I have managed to keep everything around €1,100 (~€900 without taxes), which is a great price IMO. I have also found the exact same RAM @TheLostSwede recommended and I'll get the ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro SSD that most of you guys mentioned. The rest remains the same.

Thanks again for all your help, I'll make sure to update you when the stuff comes! Might take like two weeks.

Looking forward to Your post in:

What's your latest tech purchase?

Bought something and would like to share? put it here :) I have bought a cheap replacement for my broken headset this morning from Ebay (Tesco outlet) TurtleBeach X12. Will replace my Logitech G230's since the connection to the right speaker is completely busted. Quite happy with the price...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[tami626]

Looking forward to Your post in:

What's your latest tech purchase?

Bought something and would like to share? put it here :) I have bought a cheap replacement for my broken headset this morning from Ebay (Tesco outlet) TurtleBeach X12. Will replace my Logitech G230's since the connection to the right speaker is completely busted. Quite happy with the price...

www.techpowerup.com

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...h-related-purchase-thread.225885/post-4148396
There you go.

Also, l have tried enabling "XMP 2.0 Profile 1: DDR4-3600 17-19-19-39 1.35V" in the BIOS, but after a restart, it just reverts itself to "DDR4-2133". Should I try a lower clock or higher voltage or what? Sorry, I'm really new to RAM OC.

Also, is 52 °C on the CPU in idle normal with my setup? Stock paste. One intake and one exhaust case fan, two on the CPU heatsink, all way below 1,000 RPM by default. Ambient around 20 °C.

 

[Zach_01]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...h-related-purchase-thread.225885/post-4148396
There you go.

Also, l have tried enabling "XMP 2.0 Profile 1: DDR4-3600 17-19-19-39 1.35V" in the BIOS, but after a restart, it just reverts itself to "DDR4-2133". Should I try a lower clock or higher voltage or what? Sorry, I'm really new to RAM OC.

Also, is 52 °C on the CPU in idle normal with my setup? Stock paste. One intake and one exhaust case fan, two on the CPU heatsink, all way below 1,000 RPM by default. Ambient around 20 °C.

In case ambient?
1 fan in, 1 fan out doent sound (or is) too much...
When enabling XMP all other CPU settings are auto?

 

[tami626]

In case ambient?

I mean room temperature.

When enabling XMP all other CPU settings are auto

The XMP profile is literally the only thing I touched yet, just out of curiosity. I'll continue tomorrow.

 

[Zach_01]

I mean room temperature.

I know... I ment how is the in-case ambient. Cannot add more fans? 52C idle is not too good.

The XMP profile is literally the only thing I touched yet, just out of curiosity. I'll continue tomorrow.

Ryzen memory controller can be picky some times, other times is just the mainboard auto setting timings that are not visible to user... Have you tried the "Ryzen DRAM calculator" yet?
Before start messing with voltages (DRAM/CPUsoc) etc...

 

[tami626]

I ment how is the in-case ambient.

Oh, sorry. I can check tomorrow. Dumb question: how do I properly measure it?

Cannot add more fans?

Well, I can try adding some from my old build.

Have you tried the "Ryzen DRAM calculator" yet?

I'll check it out, thanks!

 

[Zach_01]

Easiest way is to measure the exuast air but its not very accurate as the CPU cooler is to close on that... Can you stick a thermometer inside?
And run HWiNFO for all component monitoring

I dont have a case so dont compare things...

 

[tami626]

Alright, so I did some stress testing using prime95 and the max. CPU temperature turned out to be 80 °C with the CPU fans at 1,200 RPM and the case fans around 750 RPM. I guess I'm okay with it. I will check it during real-world use later.

I will experiment a little with my RAM now.

 

[Zach_01]

During that test with 80C what was the all core clock? I think 3700X can do something like 4.1 maybe 4.2GHz all core boost if temp is tamed.
80C is not over specs but 99% it cuts off some boost. Same for the non all core boost, in order to hit frequently the 4.4GHz.

I was hitting 75C back on August with 33~34C room temp, but without case. Now that the room is 27C the CPU max temp is about 65C.
I think that the sweet spot for Ryzen3000 is about 70C max. If you can do something to drop as close as possible, then you should do it. Im not too comfortable at 75+ temps, but thats me...

Can you post some screenshot like mine during that stress test?

 

[tami626]

Okay, I have run the stress test again with the RAM at 3,200 MHz. The CPU temps and fan speeds were a bit lower this time for some reason.

Spoiler: screenshot

I see nothing wrong about those temperatures, especially with the PC running this silent. I guess my case fans could boost a lot further if they needed to.

But, I have noticed a bunch of hardware errors. Then the PC just restarted.

I have also tried the "Ryzen DRAM calculator" you suggested, but with no luck, even the safe preset wouldn't boot at 3,600 MHz. The highest clock that booted was 3,200 MHz, but it seems to cause hardware errors and it even crashes the PC as I mentioned.

So, for now, I'm stuck at 2,133 MHz. Any suggestions? Should I try some clocks below 3,200 MHz? Or higher voltage? I have tried 3,400 MHz @ 1.4 V with increased CAS, but it didn't boot. I'm pretty tired of it already.

// Update:

Looks like the hardware errors could be related to the GPU?

A corrected hardware error has occurred.

Component: PCI Express Upstream Switch Port
Error Source: Advanced Error Reporting (PCI Express)

Primary Bus:Device:Function: 0xA:0x0:0x0
Secondary Bus:Device:Function: 0x0:0x0:0x0
Primary Device Name:PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_1478&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_C1
Secondary Device Name:

 

[Zach_01]

Yes temps are nice.
Forget the 3600MHz DRAM for now... Make it stable at 3200 first.
Did you use DRAMcalc safe preset for 3200MHz? what was the suggested voltage for ram at that speed? 1.35V?
Did you set all the available settings?

 

[tami626]

I only tried DRAMcalc with 3,600 MHz. I'm going to try it now with 3,200 MHz.

 

[Zach_01]

Oh man, so sorry... I forgot that your RAM is a 3600 kit.

Did you use Taiphoon first to determine all ram specs?

 

[tami626]

Did you use Taiphoon first to determine all ram specs?

I used it to determine the die. Is there anything else I need?

 

[Zach_01]

No...

pay attention the red boxes to set it right
What voltage did calc suggested for RAM and SOC and the others?

 

[tami626]

I am not sure about those voltages. This is all I have there:

 

[Zach_01]

VDDCR SOC is the CPU SOC (System On Chip) voltage and this means the CPU I/O chiplet/die where it contains the memory controller. It helps alot with DRAM OC.
Mine by default is set to 1.1V (1100mV) and in windows saw a ~1.080V, pretty much like yours if you see the HWiNFO (SoC voltage). There is a small percentage drop from setting to actuall value.

The calculator as you can see suggested me to 1.125V max but that didnt work for me. I found stability at 1.215V (1.200V report by HWiNFO)
I'm not saying put 1.215 straight away. But you can begin to raise it a bit, by raising the offset, like +0.05~0.07 (+50~70mV) so this would result for you 1100mV + 50mV = 1150mV and you would see in HWiNFO something like 1125mV or 1.125V

The calculator also suggested 1.4V DRAM but this wont work either. It needed 1.45V.

Before you raise SOC voltage, try 1.35 -->> 1.4V DRAM and see if that changes anything.
Or maybe the setup needs both DRAM/CPU SOC raised a bit.

Try 1 at a time to pin-point what eventually is what stables it (if it does).

MAX CPU SOC voltage EVER is 1.3V but I would not go beyond 1.25V, I rather downclock...
MAX safe DRAM for DDR4 is 1.5V and some say even much more like 1.8/9V but I wouldnt. Under 1.5V is OK for me.

 

[tami626]

Looks like my RAM is stable at 3,200 MHz, but not with DRAMCalc, since it makes me lower all the timings and it doesn't even boot like that. So, I'll keep it like this for now, because my patience has run out a long time ago.

I have done some GPU benchmarking with results above average, but I got 19 hardware errors. I guess the random crash that happened earlier could also be related to them.

 

[Chomiq]

Looks like my RAM is stable at 3,200 MHz, but not with DRAMCalc, since it makes me lower all the timings and it doesn't even boot like that. So, I'll keep it like this for now, because my patience has run out a long time ago.

I have done some GPU benchmarking with results above average, but I got 19 hardware errors. I guess the random crash that happened earlier could also be related to them.

Yeah, Calculator isn't THAT universal, in my case some of the suggested settings would result in BSODs.

 

[Zach_01]

Looks like my RAM is stable at 3,200 MHz, but not with DRAMCalc, since it makes me lower all the timings and it doesn't even boot like that. So, I'll keep it like this for now, because my patience has run out a long time ago.

I have done some GPU benchmarking with results above average, but I got 19 hardware errors. I guess the random crash that happened earlier could also be related to them.

Could be... and that error refers to PCIE...

Component: PCI Express Upstream Switch Port
Error Source: Advanced Error Reporting (PCI Express)

I wonder if there is something going on with the mainboard's PCI-E link and all the instability you are experiencing is related to that alone.

Yeah, Calculator isn't THAT universal, in my case some of the suggested settings would result in BSODs.

Yes, true... thats is why I'm telling what has not worked for me. The end result though is better than XMP. At beginning I was just raising DRAM/UCLK/FCLK multies, XMP on and all others auto. But turning XMP off and started playing with the calculator's settings as a strarting point I improve the performance. Latency the most and not so bandwidth.

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Done a little research about this.
People having it (not too common though) in lots of different platforms.
Seems like it is related to Chipset drivers and/or BIOS/UEFI versions

tami626 did you install chipset drivers from Asrock or AMD website? AMD has a CPU driver also.
BIOS/UEFI update I guess you have done...

 

[TheLostSwede]

Not RAM related, it seems to be related to your graphics card.

5700xt Crashing

Have been having issues since day with my 5700xt, it should be noted that I have two identical builds (one for me, one for my wife). Her system has been issue free without a single crash, where as mine has crashed in every game I play (Fornite, WoW, LoL, Rust, Stardew Valley). The crashes are...

community.amd.com

 

[tami626]

BIOS/UEFI update I guess you have done...

Actually, I hadn't. But now I have, and it looks like it helped. Before, I got dozens of errors during 30 minutes of gameplay and now, nothing! Thanks a lot!

 

[Zach_01]

Now you can tame that RAM too!

...because my patience has run out a long time ago.

Hope this error fix changed you mood...

Enjoy!

 

[A Computer Guy]

Actually, I hadn't. But now I have, and it looks like it helped. Before, I got dozens of errors during 30 minutes of gameplay and now, nothing! Thanks a lot!

What BIOS update did you end up applying?

 

[tami626]

What BIOS update did you end up applying?

The latest one, 3.60.