[EU] Ryzen 5 3500X chinese version (3600 w/o SMT) $117

[adamiakadam00]

84.74US $ 25% OFF|AMD Ryzen 5 3500X R5 3500X 3.6 GHz GAMING Zen 2 0.007 Six Core Six Thread CPU Processor 7NM 65W L3=32M 100 000000158 Socket AM4|CPUs| - AliExpress

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Cheapest ZEN2 CPU. Great for gaming. Cheaper than i5 9400F with the same/better performance.

 

[notb]

Used, no warranty, no cooler and no official support from motherboard makers (it may not be properly identified).

You're from Poland, so - once you add the 23% VAT - the price is awfully close to 9400F or Ryzen 7 2700 (both new, with coolers and warranty).

Furthermore, the particular offer you've linked makes almost no sense.
There's another one with these CPUs sold as new, with cooler and BOX, for a marginally higher price:

172.4US $ |AMD Ryzen 7 1700 R7 1700 3.0 GHz ośmiordzeniowy szesnastogwintowy procesor cpu L3 = 16M 65W YD1700BBM88AE gniazdo AM4 nowe i z chłodnicą|Procesory| - AliExpress

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I wouldn't take the risk anyway, but this one definitely has better value.

 

[Durvelle27]

Used, no warranty, no cooler and no official support from motherboard makers (it may not be properly identified).

You're from Poland, so - once you add the 23% VAT - the price is awfully close to 9400F or Ryzen 7 2700 (both new, with coolers and warranty).

Furthermore, the particular offer you've linked makes almost no sense.
There's another one with these CPUs sold as new, with cooler and BOX, for a marginally higher price:

172.4US $ |AMD Ryzen 7 1700 R7 1700 3.0 GHz ośmiordzeniowy szesnastogwintowy procesor cpu L3 = 16M 65W YD1700BBM88AE gniazdo AM4 nowe i z chłodnicą|Procesory| - AliExpress

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I wouldn't take the risk anyway, but this one definitely has better value.

That's not 100% true in terms of board makers support

My board list support for both the 3500 and 3500X

 

[adamiakadam00]

Used, no warranty, no cooler and no official support from motherboard makers (it may not be properly identified).

You're from Poland, so - once you add the 23% VAT - the price is awfully close to 9400F or Ryzen 7 2700 (both new, with coolers and warranty).

Furthermore, the particular offer you've linked makes almost no sense.
There's another one with these CPUs sold as new, with cooler and BOX, for a marginally higher price:

172.4US $ |AMD Ryzen 7 1700 R7 1700 3.0 GHz ośmiordzeniowy szesnastogwintowy procesor cpu L3 = 16M 65W YD1700BBM88AE gniazdo AM4 nowe i z chłodnicą|Procesory| - AliExpress

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I wouldn't take the risk anyway, but this one definitely has better value.

Almost every AM4 support 3500X. Box CPU with cooler is about 7USD more expensive. VAT? low chance.

 

[damric]

Looks like they sell 3 variants:

Used, just CPU.

New, just CPU.

New, with cooler. Only a couple dollars more, so just get this.

It can also take nearly a month to travel across the world to your destination, so be patient.

 

[notb]

Box CPU with cooler is about 7USD more expensive.

$7 for new, BOX version vs a used one taken out of some Chinese office desktop.
Seriously...?

VAT? low chance.

Low chance what?

My board list support for both the 3500 and 3500X

OK, I admit I made a mistake here. Although most ASUS boards I've checked don't list 3500. 3500X is there.

Still, China-only PC parts just feel like a big risk. Not worth $50 in my book, but I guess OP made up his mind.

 

[sepheronx]

I ordered the 3500X in a sealed box with cooler for $160 CAD. I am still waiting for it. Been over a month. Aliexpress isnt fast for Canada I can see.

 

[Durvelle27]

$7 for new, BOX version vs a used one taken out of some Chinese office desktop.
Seriously...?

Low chance what?


OK, I admit I made a mistake here. Although most ASUS boards I've checked don't list 3500. 3500X is there.

Still, China-only PC parts just feel like a big risk. Not worth $50 in my book, but I guess OP made up his mind.

I mean almost everything is made in china anyways. Hardly anything is actually produced in the US

 

[notb]

I mean almost everything is made in china anyways. Hardly anything is actually produced in the US

I don't care that it's made in China. I care that it's FOR China.

 

[Durvelle27]

I don't care that it's made in China. I care that it's FOR China.

You do realize that in terms of hardware there's no difference between parts sold across seas. This isn't software

 

[notb]

You do realize that in terms of hardware there's no difference between parts sold across seas. This isn't software

And what makes you so sure about that?
We know for a fact that, for example, parts used in smartphones are different.

Zen dies may be the same since that's 7nm and comes from Taiwan. There's absolutely no reason why the I/O die would be identical and it would save money (they're somehow making these very cheaply).

 

[Durvelle27]

And what makes you so sure about that?
We know for a fact that, for example, parts used in smartphones are different.

Zen dies may be the same since that's 7nm and comes from Taiwan. There's absolutely no reason why the I/O die would be identical and it would save money (they're somehow making these very cheaply).

We aren't talking about smartphones, we are talking about PC hardware.

There's absolutely no reason for a AMD to make multiple variations of a CPU. It would be different for GPUs as they do make different variations but they also have labeling stating the difference like the 560 and 560D. And yes making the 3500X is much cheaper as it utilizes a single ccx chiplet so they have an abundance and chiplets available from failed larger unitas that can be repurposed for the 3500(X).

From my past experience with AMD there has never been a instance were they made different iterations of a CPU based on the market they are in. Its much too costly

 

[Sithaer]

I thought about selling my 1600x and then buying this since for gaming only its better and it would be a fairly cheap upgrade if I could get it for the listed price.

Then I realized that theres a high chance that the package will get 'caught' when it reaches my country and then have fun paying +27% vat+extra they charge on every package they catch like that and at that point I could just buy a brand new 3600 instead.
Basically anything we buy from Aliexpress and its over ~36$ theres fair chance that they catch it and make us pay all that extra crap.

My brother is very familiar with this whole thing since we buy stuff from Aliexpress often and he told me that this would be a bad idea so I noped out of it.. 'and its gonna get worse due to a new law in 2020 supposedly..'

 

[notb]

There's absolutely no reason for a AMD to make multiple variations of a CPU.

There's absolutely no reason for AMD not to sell these CPUs outside of China (clearly there's demand).
So why don't they?

From my past experience with AMD there has never been a instance were they made different iterations of a CPU based on the market they are in. Its much too costly

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
AMD on itself may have no reason to make different CPUs for different markets.
But some government may have a reason to order such.
That's really it. I'm not a conspiracy theory fan or anything like that. But when I see "China only" it just raises a flag. If it doesn't for you, have fun.

 

[Durvelle27]

There's absolutely no reason for AMD not to sell these CPUs outside of China (clearly there's demand).
So why don't they?

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
AMD on itself may have no reason to make different CPUs for different markets.
But some government may have a reason to order such.
That's really it. I'm not a conspiracy theory fan or anything like that. But when I see "China only" it just raises a flag. If it doesn't for you, have fun.

3500(X) will indeed be sold in other markets. AMD has always released their lower end products at the very end. It's known that hardware like this always drop in china first before it officially makes way anywhere else.

The same happened with the 2400G and other low end chips

 

[HD64G]

Since China is a very big market and needs cheap pc parts, AMD preferred to start selling their cheaper Zen2 CPUs there firstly. 3500(X) will be sold in all countries once there are enough for it. This is why AMD keeps producing Zen and Zen+ CPUs. To cover all markets in a way or another. Demand is very high for all Zen2 CPUs apart from the 3600X and 3800X that could not exist at all imho but there are marketing products since 3800X marginally wins over 9900K in many apps. A big and clear IPC and efficiency win that was muchly needed for Zen2 arch to show off.

 

[Ruru]

I see no sense of getting a boxed one, since who actually uses those coolers*? Shipping is probably cheaper with a tray CPU.

* they are better than Intel's ones, but still, I don't personally find it worth the extra cost.

 

[Sithaer]

I see no sense of getting a boxed one, since who actually uses those coolers*? Shipping is probably cheaper with a tray CPU.

* they are better than Intel's ones, but still, I don't personally find it worth the extra cost.

I was thinking the same when I bought my 1600x that came with no cooler,I was like it doesn't matter since I'm gonna buy an aftermarket cooler regardless of the CPU I buy so its okay.
Still have a stock intel cooler 'i 3 4160 ' around that I never used cause even a 10$ Arctic cooler was better than that.

 

[tabascosauz]

And what makes you so sure about that?
We know for a fact that, for example, parts used in smartphones are different.

Zen dies may be the same since that's 7nm and comes from Taiwan. There's absolutely no reason why the I/O die would be identical and it would save money (they're somehow making these very cheaply).

There is a reason, and it's that all client 3000 I/O dies are GloFlo 12LP. End of story. Stop trying to invent an issue out of nothing.

The 3600s are the shitty binned single chiplet SKUs, and the 3500s are the even shittier bins that didn't pass SMT.

The parts used in smartphones are different because the variants of the phones, and often the phone models themselves, are different to cater to different communication infrastructure. This is the same story all over the world; the Samsung phone sold in NA could have Snapdragon, while Europe's has Exynos, Korea and China getting different modems for different data bands, and India probably getting a different variant as well, and SA has different frequencies too.

 

[notb]

I see no sense of getting a boxed one, since who actually uses those coolers*? Shipping is probably cheaper with a tray CPU.

* they are better than Intel's ones, but still, I don't personally find it worth the extra cost.

For $7 you get a new CPU instead of a used one. Cooler is free. That sounds better?

Also, I'd imagine many people use bundled coolers since quite a few members on this forum constantly highlight them as a big advantage of AMD CPUs (better quality, now added to "X" CPUs as well - unlikely Intel's "K").

But funny stuff aside, many (if not most) desktop owners don't upgrade and keep the stock cooler (mostly the Intel one). But I'd imagine this may be hard to grasp for someone with "Custom loop by Alphacool"

There is a reason, and it's that all client 3000 I/O dies are GloFlo 12LP. End of story. Stop trying to invent an issue out of nothing.

Again: there's no way to guarantee this being true - other than deliding a Chinese 3500X.

Business-wise, I don't see why this would not be a good idea (gov-spying stuff aside). If they can make a Zen1 EPYC in China, they can also make an I/O die. Why pay the Germans? I bet this would also be profitable for AMD.

Since China is a very big market and needs cheap pc parts, AMD preferred to start selling their cheaper Zen2 CPUs there firstly.

Which absolutely makes sense until you notice that there are many poorer nations than Chinese (with fairly large markets as well), like India. And why isn't 3500X sold in India?
More importantly, why is 3500X so hidden from the Western World? Why not announce it as coming in 2020 or something?

Seriously, it looks fishy to me, but it seems that the TPU community (usually very focused on privacy, freedom etc) suddenly got less worried. Well, as you seem fit.

This is why AMD keeps producing Zen and Zen+ CPUs.

AMD keeps making 14nm SoCs because they can't make enough 7nm and because of high production costs. That's it. It has nothing to do with poor markets etc. 14nm SoCs are sold all over the world.

 

[biffzinker]

Also, I'd imagine many people use bundled coolers since quite a few members on this forum constantly highlight them as a big advantage of AMD CPUs (better quality, now added to "X" CPUs as well - unlikely Intel's "K").

The Wraith Spire with the copper vapor chamber that came with my 2600X was a nice to have out of box cooler. Starting with the Ryzen 3600/3700X though AMD dropped the copper vapor chamber cooler for a solid block of aluminum.

 

[notb]

The Wraith Spire with the copper vapor chamber that came with my 2600X was a nice to have out of box cooler. Starting with the Ryzen 3600/3700X though AMD dropped the copper vapor chamber cooler for a solid block of aluminum.

That is {irrelevent/not possible/amazing} because AMD always thinks about customers and their coolers are easily good enough for the chips.

So you say that the cooler that comes with a Ryzen 3600 isn't good enough for that chip?

 

[Sithaer]

That is {irrelevent/not possible/amazing} because AMD always thinks about customers and their coolers are easily good enough for the chips.

So you say that the cooler that comes with a Ryzen 3600 isn't good enough for that chip?

Cooler that comes with the 3600 is ok for light use but even more demanding games will push it too much imo.
RL friend of mine built a new PC with a 3600 in it and even tho I heavily suggested him to buy ~25-40$ cooler at least he kept the boxed one and then later he complained that something is loud in his PC while playing AC Odyssey... 'no shet right'

Last time I used a boxed/stock cooler was with my Phenom II cause that came with a copper base+heatpipe cooler that stayed fairly silent too but the later ones were outright trash and I never used them.

 

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[HD64G]