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[eidairaman1]

Yes, let's swap the fans so that the performance of the cooler does not represent what the mass amount of users will experience with a cooler (using the included fans)

How many people outside of our enthusiasts' niche swap every single cooler fan to the specific Noctua model he uses?

I dont need to, don't care to.

Thermalright, Scythe, BeQuiet all make exceptional coolers.

 

[wolar]

I disagree with some here, testers shouldn't try to mimic average user cases, they should try to normalize their testing as much as possible so that the results actually mean something.
If you care that much on what you will experience buying that cooler then based off of your case, airflow, location, humidity, temperature conduct your own research.

Also, why are mid to high end coolers being sold as all in one to this date? Why not sell the heatsink and the fan separate?

 

[EarthDog]

Yes, let's swap the fans so that the performance of the cooler does not represent what the mass amount of users will experience with a cooler (using the included fans)

How many people outside of our enthusiasts' niche swap every single cooler fan to the specific Noctua model he uses?

This. You test performance out of the box as that is how the overwhelming majority use it. Do some people replace fans? Absolutely... however, performance will vary with each different fan so to test like that... doesn't make sense as it alienates the majority.

 

[Punx223]

This. You test performance out of the box as that is how the overwhelming majority use it. Do some people replace fans? Absolutely... however, performance will vary with each different fan so to test like that... doesn't make sense as it alienates the majority.

This is exactly what I was trying to say in a less than eloquent manner.

 

[gamefoo21]

starting a video with :
most people don´t know a fraction of flaws in their own data

and if someone thinks linus is a tech guy plz look again at his videos( i am not saying he is not a smart businessman )

Linus is a Tech guy, he just puts on an alter when he does LTT.

You get glimpses of what he's really like. It's actually why I have a hard time with his videos, because he seems fake to me and it's true that he often is.

It's like the reviews on the front page, they are often written by incredibly knowledgable and very tech literate people. They have to curb that though to make the reviews approachable while still being technically sound.

 

[basco]

you do know him in person?
so it´s your outcome from videos what ya think about him.

sorry i am derailing the thread

tell me if dean martin is really drunk or not: he said if i am not talking like this people dont like me:

 

[gamefoo21]

you do know him in person?
so it´s your outcome from videos what ya think about him.

sorry i am derailing the thread

tell me if dean martin is really drunk or not: he said if i am not talking like this people dont like me:

I dealt with him when he was still working at NCIX. That's as close as I ever got and likely will.

Linus could be wearing a dozen different masks but you don't do what he does without at least a little enthusiasm and love of tech.

Just like with Dean Martin, the Linus that's a YT heavyweight is an act, that the masses love and he's very conscious of it I suspect.

 

[sepheronx]

you do know him in person?
so it´s your outcome from videos what ya think about him.

sorry i am derailing the thread

tell me if dean martin is really drunk or not: he said if i am not talking like this people dont like me:

I met him once when he worked for NCIX. I talked with him via an email regarding a situation I dealt with an order from the company.

He is a nice guy and very knowledgeable obviously. When he had his videos from NCIX he did a good job and was informative

Its just that well, he followed the money. I cant blame him. If he still lives in Vancouver which I think he does, its so stupid expensive to live there, so taking the money only makes sense in that regard to survive. If he was doing this as a fun side thing, then I can question it more. But I also lived in Vancouver and well, I would probably sell out rather quickly to just pay off my house....

I dealt with him when he was still working at NCIX. That's as close as I ever got and likely will.

Linus could be wearing a dozen different masks but you don't do what he does without at least a little enthusiasm and love of tech.

Wow, posted pretty much same time.

 

[gamefoo21]

....
Wow, posted pretty much same time.

LoL we really did, it was kinda spooky how I had a reply notification as soon as the page rendered!

Spooky!

 

[freeagent]

Us Enthusiasts would just buy a Noctua cooler to begin with.

Over priced, and definitely over hyped.

 

[R0H1T]

And also very well supported, when was the last time any other cooler maker gave you free mounting kits even when the warranty (6yrs btw) of your product was over?

 

[Vayra86]

See, Steve is just like every other Tuber, its a race for clicks.

Steve, welcone to my shitlist. Well played kid. Another confirmation I will resort to written reviews.

Deep down we all know its just a matter of time with these media.

And also very well supported, when was the last time any other cooler maker gave you free mounting kits even when the warranty (6yrs btw) of your product was over?

With Noctua margins (zero design r&d over a decade) why expect less? Its the USP they have... Quality and service. But you pay for it in advance. Not bad but lets call it what it is...

This. You test performance out of the box as that is how the overwhelming majority use it. Do some people replace fans? Absolutely... however, performance will vary with each different fan so to test like that... doesn't make sense as it alienates the majority.

Exactly. /thread and /Steve

 

[gamefoo21]

And also very well supported, when was the last time any other cooler maker gave you free mounting kits even when the warranty (6yrs btw) of your product was over?

Thermalright sold me an upgraded mount for my True-120 that supports 1151 and tossed in a bunch of free cpu package brackets...


That's pretty close... I think the mounts support AM4 too.

How old is the TRUE again? Heh

Noctua is a great company though.

 

[R0H1T]

zero design r&d over a decade

Well that's a stretch, you're basically saying they've done nothing in the 2010's which is frankly BS. By the same token the competitors have been fleecing their customers as well haven't they, how many re-spins of CM's 212 we've had in the past 5 years alone?

 

[eidairaman1]

Linus is a Tech guy, he just puts on an alter when he does LTT.

You get glimpses of what he's really like. It's actually why I have a hard time with his videos, because he seems fake to me and it's true that he often is.

It's like the reviews on the front page, they are often written by incredibly knowledgable and very tech literate people. They have to curb that though to make the reviews approachable while still being technically sound.

He is fake.

See, Steve is just like every other Tuber, its a race for clicks.

Steve, welcone to my shitlist. Well played kid. Another confirmation I will resort to written reviews.

Deep down we all know its just a matter of time with these media.



With Noctua margins (zero design r&d over a decade) why expect less? Its the USP they have... Quality and service. But you pay for it in advance. Not bad but lets call it what it is...



Exactly. /thread and /Steve

Only card disassembly is worthwhile

 

[gamefoo21]

See, Steve is just like every other Tuber, its a race for clicks.

Steve, welcone to my shitlist. Well played kid. Another confirmation I will resort to written reviews.

Deep down we all know its just a matter of time with these media.

Exactly. /thread and /Steve

Careful, the Inquisition was dispatched for me for suggesting such things.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

TweakTown used to use a TEC (in a 40-degree hot-box) to apply load. Was never a fan but I took over from another reviewer and was asked to keep it. I loved the day that TEC died and I was able to move to system testing instead!

you and me both i followed your reviews back then and we actually had a pm convo over the TEC etc. Long time ago now but glad to see it dead too sure its a valid way to test but it really didn't reflect the real world.

This. You test performance out of the box as that is how the overwhelming majority use it. Do some people replace fans? Absolutely... however, performance will vary with each different fan so to test like that... doesn't make sense as it alienates the majority.

This is exactly what I was trying to say in a less than eloquent manner.

Basically thats always been my line of thinking. Even so, the number of PMs and emails i get asking for normalized fan testing is pretty hilarious so i guess Steve will earn those clicks lol.

But yeah i watched the video and all i could do was face palm the majority of the time.

 

[gamefoo21]

you and me both i followed your reviews back then and we actually had a pm convo over the TEC etc. Long time ago now but glad to see it dead too sure its a valid way to test but it really didn't reflect the real world.



Basically thats always been my line of thinking. Even so, the number of PMs and emails i get asking for normalized fan testing is pretty hilarious so i guess Steve will earn those clicks lol.

But yeah i watched the video and all i could do was face palm the majority of the time.

I was never a fan of the TEC testing, it doesn't represent actual heat loading and the inherent variablity that comes from silicon actually drawing power.

One of the biggest issues I had in debating how to test coolers was using a lapped or CNC IHS, because of the variability in them sucks.

But most coolers have a convex bottom to try and mate with the average IHS curve. Though it's got to be a monster compromise when you consider testing across platforms and even generations.

I've got a CNC IHS for my Intel, that I've been debating trying just to see how it affects the results.

One thing that I do 'cheat' from the average on is I use a package brace, because how many coolers blow the mounting pressure and weight limits on 1151 all to hell. IIRC spec is 400 grams of mass and 0-32psi of cooler mounting pressure.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

DoE developed a far better testing procedure than GamersNexus is talking about. Basically, eliminate all variables:
1) Use a Peltier rated for a fixed wattage (e.g. 100, 150, or 200w)
2) Use a single fan with constant voltage (even on designs meant for 2, 3, or 4 fans)
3) place a thermal sensor sandwiched between the two in a constant thermal interface material
This test procedure results in discovering what heatsink is the best.

Further, similarly isolated testing can be used to discover which fan model is best for cooling said heatsink.


But, this is pointless. People use the whole assembly as it ships. There's no reason to change anything. Test the products as they are, like most HSF reviews do.

 

[dirtyferret]

its a race for clicks.

OK, I looked at your post real quick on my phone and at first glance the "c" and "l" of clicks looked like a "d"....

 

[Vayra86]

OK, I looked at your post real quick on my phone and at first glance the "c" and "l" of clicks looked like a "d"....

Gives clickbait a whole other me-too eehrm meaning, too!

Ill see myself out

Well that's a stretch, you're basically saying they've done nothing in the 2010's which is frankly BS. By the same token the competitors have been fleecing their customers as well haven't they, how many re-spins of CM's 212 we've had in the past 5 years alone?

Yet a 212 competes on price, and a Noctua does not.

 

[dirtyferret]

Even so, the number of PMs and emails i get asking for normalized fan testing is pretty hilarious so i guess Steve will earn those clicks lol.

I can understand "normalized" testing for PC cases since most people will add at least one more fan to their case (if not more) but it makes little sense for coolers. You take something like a Scythe Fuma 2 which sells for $60 and decide that the Noctua NF-A12 is your standardized fan. You are now testing a $120 set up for S!@# and giggles because no one is likely going to use it.

 

[Vayra86]

Careful, the Inquisition was dispatched for me for suggesting such things.

Nothing is holy. Noctua had been very lazy. And why not, they have a great product that withstands the test of time, poop color or not!

 

[gamefoo21]

Nothing is holy. Noctua had been very lazy. And why not, they have a great product that withstands the test of time, poop color or not!

I was talking about PC Jesus...

 

[dirtyferret]

Linus is a Tech guy, he just puts on an alter when he does LTT.

I've never met the guy. I will say this, I find him entertaining but I don't really watch too much of his videos. I do come to his videos knowing it's entertainment first with education for the masses second. It's not an easy gig to pull off and he is probably the most successful tech youtuber/influencer/personality, etc., out there. He built his own studio and has an entire staff, there something to be said for that. I'm sure he knows his stuff but realizes what works for his audience and what puts them to sleep.