Hi, I am seeking advice and/or constructive criticism on a build I am thinking of trying.

[MiguelElToro]

The 500D SE runs pretty hot........ at least gpu wise cpu temps are fine with the radiator front mounted. My 2080 ti dropped 5C just from switching from it to an 011 dynamic XL

Looks nice though......
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I ditched it for this and my temps are much better both cpu/gpu


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My budget was similar to yours but I think I spent closer to $4000.




BTW QL and LL fans are pretty terrible but when you have six as intake and 4 as exhaust they're fine but on the 500D SE I had to do push/pull on the radiator to get decent temps with ML fans backing them up and ML in top as exhaust due to the fact that its really hard to push air through the top of the case due to how its designed.

Thanks for the info. I looked at the 011 dynamic XL, but the video I watched seemed to make the set complicated. I'll give it another look. Thank you. BTW your builds look amazing.

 

[Recon-UK]

Lmao suggesting the fastest 10 core on the planet, with framerates in games 30-50fps higher than anything AMD has to offer, with the lowest latency system (again by 40%) and one that can comfortably run ram at 4133+ in a memory favoured use case, is limiting his system to one specific task. Nice logic.

Who said i was speaking to you & who said i meant going with the AMD build?

Perhaps if you calm down and learn to see clearer we may get somehwere.

OCD over everything.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Lmao suggesting the fastest 10 core on the planet, with framerates in games 30-50fps higher than anything AMD has to offer

500000000 higher

 

[R0H1T]

Op specifies music production and gaming as his use case... Your argument - let's optimise the build for other things.

OP specified two programs, FL studios with a dedicated YT channel which I'm sure you didn't even bother checking & Display fusion. He also said he's not a gamer but would like an option to game ~ that sounds to me like he's not a hardcore 360 fps last 0.1% frame times chasing person. Since you're drawing your own conclusions I'll ask the OP myself.


@MiguelElToro what are you looking to do with this build aside from the two programs you mentioned, also any particular games you prefer?

 

[MiguelElToro]

Here is the parts list…

CORSAIR OBSIDIAN 500D RGB SE Mid-Tower Case. - define 7 or p600s are better cases.I gotta say that 500d looks fancy tho.

GIGABYTE X570 AORUS Master Gaming Motherboard. x570 tomahawk

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X. no need for it.3600 would do fine.whatever you get above 3600 is extra.imo either get a 3600 or 3900x.option one for value option two for performance

Corsair ICUE H150i PRO RGB XT liquid Cooler. there's better coolers and 360 is not really better than 280.imo get a liquid freezer 2 280 or deepcool 280ex

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 64GB DDR4 3200 Memory. get patriot viper memory or thermaltake toughram for fancy

Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 2TB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal SSD. very good but expensive.will only be faster than budget nvme in fringe cases.look for mp510 or cs3030

Samsung 860 Pro 2TB 2.5 in. SSD. 860 evo

CORSAIR HX1000i, 1000-Watt, 80+ Platinum, Fully Modular, Digital Power Supply. 1000w ? nah. 650-850w is really all you need.IMO a get a rm750x/850x

Gigabyte AORUS GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Xtreme Video Card. for what I've seen in the OP you're better off picking 2080 Super or just the regular 2080

ASUS Sound Card Essence STX II.

2 Corsair QL Series, 140mm, and 3 120mm RGB LED Fans. expensive as hell.look for alpenfohns wingboost 3 series if possible

Corsair K55 RGB Keyboard, MM800 Polaris RGB Mouse Pad, Dark Core RGB Pro Mouse. - that's more about the looks.

I so appreciate it. I am going to take all the time I need before I do this, so I will look up every part you suggested. Thank you

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Thanks for the info. I looked at the 011 dynamic XL, but the video I watched seemed to make the set complicated. I'll give it another look. Thank you. BTW your builds look amazing.

its much easier to build in than the 500D if that's what you mean the only downside is you need to provide all 10 fans which shouldn't be an issue with your budget.

 

[MiguelElToro]

For music production and gaming you want single core. Neither of those need 16 cores.

Latency and DPC is also important for music production, and it's about 40% lower latency on Intel.

2080ti is a waste for your needs and with ampere around the corner doesn't make sense.

10900k
MSI Z490 ace.
64gb 3600/14 memory (any brand filter it on pc partpicker)
2080 super Aorus extreme.
2tb 970 evo plus x2
5x noctua NF-A12x25 - better than anything corsair has.
Nzxt x63 if you insist on water or noctua u12a.
Meshify C case.
Seasonic Prime TX 750
razer viper ultimate
Aorus optical keyboard.

You should also be using a good external sound card like the Schiit Hel rather than consumer grade internal ones.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

40% lower latency on synthetic (?) memory tests, how does that translate to real world numbers in applications? I wouldn't recommend OCing any build which is used for "serious" work & when you're talking serious or professional work, with this build, any OC (on Intel) can go out of the window. FL Studio themselves have a YT channel with some of their own comparisons ~

FL STUDIO by Image-Line Software

You are watching the official FL STUDIO channel from Image-Line Software, developers of the application. Watch tutorials, artist videos and product releases....

www.youtube.com

I have to guess, but if I am understanding, Ocing means, overclocking? I wouldn't know where to begin. Thanks for the FL info.

 

[Recon-UK]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/226QWb

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($529.99 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H100i RGB PRO XT 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($119.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490 AORUS MASTER ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($389.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card ($669.99 @ Newegg)
Case: be quiet! Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case ($189.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($164.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2423.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-24 05:54 EDT-0400




Pro's. fastest gaming CPU.

Cons. Likely a dead end socket, only 10 cores and 20 threads.

The AMD build in the OP is fine, i would go for a case which gives you maximum silence as possible though with good airflow.

 

[dgianstefani]

So copying my build but making it worse then claiming dead socket with rocket lake on its way.

Cool.

 

[Recon-UK]

So copying my build but making it worse then claiming dead socket with rocket lake on its way.

Cool.

We have no information on Rocket Lake & if more cores will be added, but if they do, you know you will need a nuclear reactor to cool it.

14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

[MiguelElToro]

OP specified two programs, FL studios with a dedicated YT channel which I'm sure you didn't even bother checking & Display fusion. He also said he's not a gamer but would like an option to game ~ that sounds to me like he's not a hardcore 360 fps last 0.1% frame times chasing person. Since you're drawing your own conclusions I'll ask the OP myself.


@MiguelElToro what are you looking to do with this build aside from the two programs you mentioned, also any particular games you prefer?

create, and edit videos. Create, mix, and master music. I have FL, and I bought Pro tools but it crashed my current pc. I love to have bgs across all three monitors with display fusion. Games? Uncharted, Tomb Raider, The last of us. Games like that.

 

[Recon-UK]

create, and edit videos. Create, mix, and master music. I have FL, and I bought Pro tools but it crashed my current pc. I love to have bgs across all three monitors with display fusion. Games? Uncharted, Tomb Raider, The last of us. Games like that.

3950X build covers all of this very well.

 

[MiguelElToro]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/226QWb

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($529.99 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H100i RGB PRO XT 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($119.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490 AORUS MASTER ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($389.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card ($669.99 @ Newegg)
Case: be quiet! Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case ($189.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($164.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2423.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-24 05:54 EDT-0400




Pro's. fastest gaming CPU.

Cons. Likely a dead end socket, only 10 cores and 20 threads.

The AMD build in the OP is fine, i would go for a case which gives you maximum silence as possible though with good airflow.

Thank you

For video editing you want (in order of importance):

Lots of RAM bandwidth and lots of RAM
High capacity fast storage, ideally seperate from your OS and applications disk
A decent CPU, but the primary focus should be on lots of RAM bandwidth rather than raw performance
A GPU anything that's hardware accelerated, might as well get a Geforce 2060S since that'll do both OpenCL and CUDA.

With your budget of $5K I'd be tempted to look at threadripper and 128GB RAM across four channels but if this is your first stab at serious video editing I'd be tempted to get either a 9900K or a 3800X and see how you get on.

I edit 1080p120 and 4K60 all the time on a Ryzen 5 3600 with 32GB and the single biggest upgrade I had was moving from a SATA SSD to a 1TB PCIe 3.0 4x NVMe.
If I was rebuilding my rig on a budget I'd get a 3800X (best quality silicon for fastest RAM/Fclk speeds) and double my RAM again. The threadripper 1950X and 3950X machines at work can encode a bit faster but it doesn't scale as well as you'd think and encoding isn't the largest part of video editing.

Puget Systems have some good benchmarks for Premiere Pro and the 2060S and 3700X are the sweet spot. You can spend quadruple for higher-end builds and only see 20-30% gains, so I'd say pocket the spare money for now and use it to update the system in a few years. I also use a external DAC to drive my studio monitors because I have yet to find an analogue internal soundcard that doesn't pick up interference from inside the PC.

Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

I'd go with a 10700k over a 9900k but otherwise I agree.

There's a 10700k? Thanks for the info.

 

[dgianstefani]

We have no information on Rocket Lake & if more cores will be added, but if they do, you know you will need a nuclear reactor to cool it.

14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

14nm+++ yet PL1/2 draw is 125w, same as any Ryzen 9.

10900k using 15w more under full load than the 3900x, but running 9c cooler. wow so hot amirite

Keep making the boring jokes though right?

 

[MiguelElToro]

10700K is definitely slightly faster but aren't the BIOSes for Z490 still a bit of a mess? 9900K and X570 are rock stable platforms at this point.
CPU performance really isn't the biggest issue for video editing, it's storage performance. So any Intel would be fine, but Ryzen + X570 for PCIe 4.0 is the big-ticket feature that tops the list.

Thank you. I'll look into it.

 

[Recon-UK]

14nm+++ yet PL1/2 draw is 125w, same as any Ryzen 9.

10900k using 15w more under full load than the 3900x, but running 9c cooler. wow so hot amirite

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Keep making the boring jokes though right?

What joke?

10 cores vs 16 and at near the same power consumption, what jokes?

 

[dgianstefani]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TdJngJ

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor (£529.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X63 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£129.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MEG Z490 UNIFY ATX LGA1200 Motherboard (£292.98 @ Box Limited)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£203.34 @ Newegg UK)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£203.34 @ Newegg UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£371.30 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£371.30 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB AORUS Video Card (£779.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£89.99 @ Currys PC World)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME TX 750 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£218.63 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £3298.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-24 11:15 BST+0100

Boom - done.

Direct comparison to 10900k is 3900x.

10900k runs cooler by 9c.

According to you in other posts, power consumption is irrelevant as long as temperatures are fine right?

FL Studio and gaming both favor single core and latency, with memory speed/latency being important.

 

[MiguelElToro]

Everyone...It is apparent, based on all the wonderful feedback, that the trouble is not so much with the build as it is with me, and my lack of knowledge. I am going to go back, rethink some things and make sure I do right by this build. I'd be lying if I said fear a messing this up wasn't driving at least part of my actions. I got this budget, and my pockets are itchy. LOL, I have time, so I think I should take it.

Thank you all for your time, patients, and understand. Blessing to you all.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TdJngJ

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor (£529.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X63 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£129.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MEG Z490 UNIFY ATX LGA1200 Motherboard (£292.98 @ Box Limited)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£203.34 @ Newegg UK)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£203.34 @ Newegg UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£371.30 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£371.30 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB AORUS Video Card (£779.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£89.99 @ Currys PC World)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME TX 750 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£218.63 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £3298.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-24 11:15 BST+0100

Boom - done.

Direct comparison to 10900k is 3900x.

10900k runs cooler by 9c.

According to you in other posts, power consumption is irrelevant as long as temperatures are fine right?

FL Studio and gaming both favor single core and latency, with memory speed/latency being important.

Most appreciated.

 

[dgianstefani]

If you have time, wait for Zen 3 and Ampere.

Otherwise do the Intel build I suggested, it fits your needs more than your original build, and would be cooler and quieter than the other builds suggested.

 

[MiguelElToro]

3950X build covers all of this very well.

Thank you

If you have time, wait for Zen 3 and Ampere.

Otherwise do the Intel build I suggested, it fits your needs more than your original build, and would be cooler and quieter than the other builds suggested.

Thank you

 

[Recon-UK]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TdJngJ

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor (£529.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X63 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£129.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MEG Z490 UNIFY ATX LGA1200 Motherboard (£292.98 @ Box Limited)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£203.34 @ Newegg UK)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£203.34 @ Newegg UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£371.30 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£371.30 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB AORUS Video Card (£779.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£89.99 @ Currys PC World)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME TX 750 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£218.63 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (£26.90 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £3298.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-24 11:15 BST+0100

Boom - done.

Direct comparison to 10900k is 3900x.

10900k runs cooler by 9c.

According to you in other posts, power consumption is irrelevant as long as temperatures are fine right?

FL Studio and gaming both favor single core and latency, with memory speed/latency being important.

A GPU is not a CPU, you move goal posts to suit your own criteria which is intel / Nvidia.

A CPU with more cores and at the same speeds is going to consume way more power on 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++ vs the Ryzen architecture, that will soon turn into 180w+
At which point your only choice is then highest end boards and large cooling and the intel chip is defeated in anything else. Gaming wise the Ryzen is completely fine, this person is not running high refresh panels.

His CPU is far faster in other tasks vs the intel CPU for productivity, this is not 2060 Super vs 5700-XT where there is a true performance difference in which case the 5700-XT is stronger but not in a meaningful way like these CPU's.

Except his choice is a 3950x.. go figure.


So deluded by your own purchase choices.

 

[R0H1T]

Everyone...It is apparent, based on all the wonderful feedback, that the trouble is not so much with the build as it is with me, and my lack of knowledge. I am going to go back, rethink some things and make sure I do right by this build. I'd be lying if I said fear a messing this up wasn't driving at least part of my actions. I got this budget, and my pockets are itchy. LOL, I have time, so I think I should take it.

Thank you all for your time, patients, and understand. Blessing to you all.


Most appreciated.

Well whatever you do, wait for the upcoming GPUs if you can. Of course unless you're also looking to sell your current one ~ in which case drop it as soon as you get a good/fair offer

 

[dgianstefani]

Power consumption is irrelevant for CPUs as long as temperatures are fine under ambient cooling.

Lets remind you again that the 3900x runs 9c hotter than the supposed "nuclear reactor" 10900k.

Both run at 125w sustained load power draw at stock settings.

His choice was 3950x because he knows little about computers and simply built a part list with the "highest end components", which is why he has a case with bad airflow and corsair ML fans (rubbish) in that part list, alongside a 2tb sata SSD for some reason.

 

[MiguelElToro]

There you go, bringing your own bias to the fore. Did you even check some of FL studios (employees?) own opinion on this ~

Then you'e trying to shoehorn gaming as another key point in a build used for "work" with a 5k budget? The OP can definitely go 3950x without compromising on gaming, heck he can do 8k gaming with this budget & depending on his usage the 3950x can be easily 2x or better for his work.

From the OP ~

As far as I'm concerned he can easily do a 10-32 core build here & not lose any sleep over latency or ST performance. Yes Intel is an option but I'll recommend only 10900k mainly because it will last him longer.

Hey, thanks for the FL info. I'll check it all out.

 

[Fourstaff]

Can we stop this Intel VS AMD nonsense. OP didn't come here to hear your fanboyism. Thread cleaned.