AMD 3700x normal temps

[yotano211]

I upgraded the nephews desktop to the AMD 3700x, he uses the stock air cooler that came with his older AMD 2600x. I dont like the temps at the 3700x is at max, it hits 90c.
Is 90c at 100% normal with a stock AMD cooler, air temps in his house is 75F. He is going to study movie production so I plan to overclock it a bit but at those temps its most likely thermal throttling.

I've repasted 2 times with Arctic MX-4 to see if it can go lower but still get the same temps. Should I try a AIO water cooler, I do want to upgrade it later down the road, within 1 year, with the next ryzen 12 core AMD 5000 processors when he gets further into his studies.

 

[biffzinker]

The 3700X didn’t have the bundled in the box Wraith Prism?

If you’re planning on a swap to a twelve core in the future then go ahead with the AIO cooler now. Is there enough room in the case for a 240mm radiator?

 

[Xzibit]

2600X cooler is not the same as the 3700X cooler

2600X Cooler

3700X Cooler

 

[Chaba422]

well what u expect, u put 2600x cooler on 3700x CPU, get atleast

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any of these 2 will do just fine at stock speeds

 

[Toothless]

well what u expect, u put 2600x cooler on 3700x CPU, get atleast

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition CPU Air Cooler

The legendary Hyper air cooler is back and better than before. The Hyper 212 Black Edition offers better installation and great performance, easily one of the best air cooling solutions. The aluminum top cover and nickel plated jet black fins give the Hyper 212 Black Edition a more premium...

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Hyper 212 LED Turbo

Hyper 212 LED Turbo provides the best balance between airflow and static pressure to take the heat away. Four Direct Contact heat pipes with funnel shaped aluminum fins optimize cooling for optimal CPU performance. Moreover, the improved universal bracket design ensures easy and worry free...

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any of these 2 will do just fine at stock speeds

Uh, no. A 3700x needs something beefier like a Mugen 5 or similar to take the heat. Same with anything higher like 3800x or 3900x.

Source: I have a 3700x and old roommate has 3900x. We compared.

 

[yotano211]

But isnt the 2600x rated at 95w, vs the 3700x rated at 65w. I would think it would run a little cooler.

The 3700X didn’t have the bundled in the box Wraith Prism?

If you’re planning on a swap to a twelve core in the future then go ahead with the AIO cooler now. Is there enough room in the case for a 240mm radiator?

There's enough room at the top of the tower for a 240mm cooler.

Whats a good AIO cooler, budget about $60-80 in the US.

 

[biffzinker]

any of these 2 will do just fine at stock speeds

it's not enough under a heavy sustained load. During single core boost temperature is 50-60c for 4,550 MHz clockspeed. I should know, check my System Specs.

But isnt the 2600x rated at 95w, vs the 3700x rated at 65w. I would think it would run a little cooler.

Your forgetting the Core Complex die with just the cores is 7nm. Smaller surface area more concentrated heat to remove from those 8 cores. Compared to the 2600X monolith 12nm die.

 

[Mussels]

3700x performs well on its stock cooler, the 2600x came with a much weaker one (which also sucked for that chip, too)

Its a low wattage chip with the heat concentrated together so it can read a hotter temperature despite pumping out less heat, definitely get a cheap replacement cooler.

 

[yotano211]

ok, I am going to order a better cpu cooler, a AIO.

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How about this one, it has good reviews.

 

[Mussels]

As a 3700x user, thats totally overkill unless you plan to overclock - these CPU's do not put out a lot of heat. I run a Be Quiet dark rock slim which is a small 120mm air cooler, and i can overclock the hell out of my chip.

 

[yotano211]

As a 3700x user, thats totally overkill unless you plan to overclock - these CPU's do not put out a lot of heat. I run a Be Quiet dark rock slim which is a small 120mm air cooler, and i can overclock the hell out of my chip.

So go with a air cooler, he doesnt plan to overclock it. I thought he did, but he told me, he wants a more stable computer. He starts editing and design classes next term.

 

[Mussels]

Yeah, any 120mm air cooler you want should be fine. He can have some freedom for personal preference there (RGB/ARGB, etc)

 

[yotano211]

Yeah, any 120mm air cooler you want should be fine. He can have some freedom for personal preference there (RGB/ARGB, etc)

I am going to go with this one, I like the reviews and it has a 120mm fan. It'll add more RGB lights to his room. I think I made a monster out of him with these RGB lights.

Amazon.com

 

[Mussels]

I have one of those, Looks great, fans good for noise. The 140W rating is a little optimistic, but it can handle any ryzen at stock clocks fine for sure. (well, maybe not a 3950x?)

I wouldnt be doing heavy OCing on one, but for stock clocks it'll do the job really well... IF it gets loud, just tweak the fan curve in the BIOS a little.

 

[yotano211]

I have one of those, Looks great, fans good for noise. The 140W rating is a little optimistic, but it can handle any ryzen at stock clocks fine for sure. (well, maybe not a 3950x?)

I wouldnt be doing heavy OCing on one, but for stock clocks it'll do the job really well... IF it gets loud, just tweak the fan curve in the BIOS a little.

I might add a 5% overclock in the Bios but maybe not, I prefer his computer stay stable, I dont want him to lose hours of design work.
Thank you for the help mr mussels.

 

[Mussels]

Tank you for the help mr mussels

you got lucky asking someone with both that CPU, and that cooler (i tested it on my 2700x, so it'll definitely handle the cooler running 3700x)

 

[hat]

I believe Ryzen chips automatically boost higher the cooler the temps are, up to a certain point. I'd be tempted to try a 240mm AIO, since you said you have the space for it. You'll not have any problems cooling anything with it in the future either, should you ever get a more powerful chip.

 

[Mussels]

I believe Ryzen chips automatically boost higher the cooler the temps are, up to a certain point. I'd be tempted to try a 240mm AIO, since you said you have the space for it. You'll not have any problems cooling anything with it in the future either, should you ever get a more powerful chip.

only for extended multi threaded load, and my DRS 120mm maxed out the default (no PBO) boost on my 3700x.

 

[yotano211]

you got lucky asking someone with both that CPU, and that cooler (i tested it on my 2700x, so it'll definitely handle the cooler running 3700x)

Its why I first went on TPU to ask the experts.
He went from a
amd 2600x
nvidia 1060 6gb
16gb 3000mhz
evga 600w psu some bronze rated power supply
Samsung 860 500gb ssd, 1TB 5400rpm HD
to
amd 3700x
nvidia 2070 super
64gb ram 2600mhz-I overclocked it to 2933mhz
evga 1000w t2 psu
WD 2tb SN750 nvme ssd, 8tb 7200rpm HD
And fresh OS installed
Every time I did something I explained it to him what each part does and where it goes. A 1 hour upgrade turned into a 3hr job

 

[hat]

only for extended multi threaded load, and my DRS 120mm maxed out the default (no PBO) boost on my 3700x.

Sounds like he might see a lot of that kind of load, messing with video editing and such.

 

[Mussels]

Sounds like he might see a lot of that kind of load, messing with video editing and such.

He might yes.
I tested that cooler on a 2700x, a hotter running chip and it behaved quite well, if louder than i liked at the time.
I then moved to a 3700x and the dark rock slim, passing the Gammax to my dad for his OC'd 4770k, which handles 4.4GHz OC with a whisper.

So if it can handle a 2700x, it'll definitely handle the 3700x at the lower TDP.

 

[tabascosauz]

If your friend just wants to set-and-forget, you'll do fine on the stock Prism cooler. It's a capable cooler, and it and the Max have set a new bar for stock coolers since they debuted. Want a little less noise and all the stock performance available to you? Opt for any simple 120mm tower cooler like the 212s, U12S, or Dark Rock Slim / Pure Rock.

The lesser stock coolers that are positioned below the Prism do about as much as the copper slug Intel cooler (read: pretty badly). Wraith Spire works for a 3600, wouldn't want to use it for a 3700X.

The whole needing more than a 212 for a 3700X is complete bogus for stock settings. Period. If adhering to out of the box settings, it won't draw more than 95W and up to date AGESA even further limits your stock full load clocks in certain apps like Cinebench. If you have a 212 or U12S or equivalent cooler, your chip will be leveraging all the single core boost available to it as long as firmware is up to date.

Use any of the aforementioned coolers, and send him on his merry way. Water helps 3800X/3900X, this is neither of those. More important for comfort is to use BIOS fan control if available to increase the hysteresis/ramp up or down time to smooth out spikes in fan speeds.

 

[yotano211]

If your friend just wants to set-and-forget, you'll do fine on the stock Prism cooler. It's a capable cooler, and it and the Max have set a new bar for stock coolers since they debuted. Want a little less noise and all the stock performance available to you? Opt for any simple 120mm tower cooler like the 212s, U12S, or Dark Rock Slim / Pure Rock.

The lesser stock coolers that are positioned below the Prism do about as much as the copper slug Intel cooler (read: pretty badly). Wraith Spire works for a 3600, wouldn't want to use it for a 3700X.

The whole needing more than a 212 for a 3700X is complete bogus for stock settings. Period. If adhering to out of the box settings, it won't draw more than 95W and up to date AGESA even further limits your stock full load clocks in certain apps like Cinebench. If you have a 212 or U12S or equivalent cooler, your chip will be leveraging all the single core boost available to it as long as firmware is up to date.

Use any of the aforementioned coolers, and send him on his merry way. Water helps 3800X/3900X, this is neither of those. More important for comfort is to use BIOS fan control if available to increase the hysteresis/ramp up or down time to smooth out spikes in fan speeds.

His processor will be stock but it will run at 100% for extend periods of time, maybe several hours depending on his course work.

 

[Mussels]

Throwing in my two cents on the prism as well:

2700x and 3900x, its just too damn loud at stock. With the 3900x build i did recently, i had to do a 4.1GHz all core OC to get the heat down enough the fan didn't drive myself and the buyer nuts.
Any 65W chip like the 3700x? It's quiet, and its goddamn gorgeous... if i had to pay i'd go a 120mm tower, but if you have it already sure go for it.

edit: yes all core OC can be faster and colder than stock, at least as far as multi threaded workloads go.

 

[tabascosauz]

His processor will be stock but it will run at 100% for extend periods of time, maybe several hours depending on his course work.

Doesn't matter. Stock power limits are enforced. Generally, current 3700X firmware will have all-core settle around 4GHz. Unless there are other airflow and thermal issues, Prism will be fine. And for that extra quietness, a 120mm tower cooler ticks all the boxes.

I think Mobile Renoir defines short and long term power limits like Intel; desktop Matisse is governed by the stock PPT value of 88W. Give some headroom for AVX and reporting deviation, and it'll never exceed 90-95W stock. No problem.

Quite frankly, it's more than enough. I've done entire days of Prime95, with AVX, with a 92mm D9L and U9S in a buttoned up 13L case. Unless it's 50C outside, he'll be fine.