5600X vs 9600K

[andiey]

If you have enough $$$ to do a full platform switch how about going the whole hog & picking a 5900x or 5950x

I will have to sell this rig first then.

 

[Sovsefanden]

If you upgrade, get a 8C/16T chip. It's the sweetspot.

Better yet, wait for 2021+ and get Ryzen "6000" on AM5 with DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 or Intel 10nm late 2021 with same features (and biggest IPC gain in years)

 

[Gwenved]

I wouldn't spend the money. 5600x might net you like 5% increase at 1080p and maybe 3% at 1440p.

The next similiar class CPU that nets you a signficant increase in performance probably isn't happening till 2022 to be honest.

9600k is over 2 years old and really isn't any different from the 3 year old 8600k but it's still a more than capable CPU for gaming/office work. There's a reason why people stick with CPUs for a long time, the jump per gen isn't like it is with GPUs

I would say no...because you'll have to change the motherboard and the memory too as Ryzens love DDR 3600. What will be the result? lot of money for a small improvement in your day to day and very low in games. To give you an idea I changed my set up recently from a i7-2600 8Gb to a i7-9700F 32Gb that's a real improvement on paper but for internet, outlook and some word file nothing you can appreciate. For gaming yes it has been a big jump specially after changing my 1060 3Gb for a 3070 8Gb.

 

[EarthDog]

But it might not be that much faster really.

Read some benchmarks to confirm/bunk your thinking.

Considering all those FPS a graphics card delivers, the CPU shouldn't be a decisive factor, is my understanding correct?

1080p is, generally, a CPU bound resolution. So yes, CPU performance matters there and is a 'decisive factor'. Now, that could be the difference between 250 and 275 where you may not notice, but, yes... 1080p is, generally CPU bound (with higher-end cards).

No wonder, with the 3000Mhz, my system seems a bit less snappy.

Without a benchmark showing you numbers, you'd have no idea between 3200/3600...placebo, yo. You know that a sweetspot is higher, suddenly your rig doesn't feel snappy...

 

[andiey]

and biggest IPC gain in years)

Really?

I think it will be the closest fight between the two vendors then.

I would say no...because you'll have to change the motherboard and the memory too as Ryzens love DDR 3600. What will be the result? lot of money for a small improvement in your day to day and very low in games. To give you an idea I changed my set up recently from a i7-2600 8Gb to a i7-9700F 32Gb that's a real improvement on paper but for internet, outlook and some word file nothing you can appreciate. For gaming yes it has been a big jump specially after changing my 1060 3Gb for a 3070 8Gb.

Ok, point taken.

I'll save all the money for the graphics card then when the stock resumes normal.

By the way, any car racing games you folks recommend? Is GRID better than DiRT?

1080p is, generally, a CPU bound resolution. So yes, CPU performance matters there and is a 'decisive factor'. Now, that could be the difference between 250 and 275 where you may not notice, but, yes... 1080p is, generally CPU bound (with higher-end cards).

With high-end cards is because the card works so fast that the CPU needs to catch up thus more processing power is needed.

Without a benchmark showing you numbers, you'd have no idea between 3200/3600...placebo, yo. You know that a sweetspot is higher, suddenly your rig doesn't feel snappy...

I thought 3600 actually falls back to the performance of 3000...?

 

[EarthDog]

With high-end cards is because the card works so fast that the CPU needs to catch up thus more processing power is needed.

Depends on the title, but a CPU can hold back a 570 too (depends on the CPU and game)...

I thought 3600 actually falls back to the performance of 3000...?

I'm not sure what you mean here... all I am saying is that you wouldn't notice a difference between 3000 and 3600 memory unless you were staring at a benchmark.

 

[phanbuey]

Depends on the title, but a CPU can hold back a 570 too (depends on the CPU and game)...

I'm not sure what you mean here... all I am saying is that you wouldn't notice a difference between 3000 and 3600 memory unless you were staring at a benchmark.

+1 - also a clean boot can do this as well

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Still using my 9600k. no intention of switching for now. i'll wait and see what Intel has in store. Can't be arsed pissing about switching platforms with all the bullshit it involves. The 9600k is fine along with my 5700xt red devil, and i have no use for all the hyper cores. I suppose i could do it to join in the fun poking at Intel users, seems to be a fair bit of that bollocks now.

 

[Kapone33]

As a user of a 5600X i would say that I thought the 3300X was my favorite AM4 CPU until I got the 5600X. This chip I am sure can run at 4.8 GHZ all day at reasonable voltage (Like 1.25 to 1.35). It only pulls (HWInfo64) 67 Watts at maximum. That means that on my 280 Cooler Master Nepton the temp has never gone above 49 C. Even after like 4 hours of serious Gaming. The thing though is if you really want t enjoy the 5600X you must have a high refresh rate monitor and a proper GPU at least a 5600XT from last Gen but I bet it will be best paired with a 6000 series or 3000 Nvidia series to really see what it can do.

 

[freeagent]

^^

It will be nice when they are readily available! It’s what I wanted to buy, but settled with what I have now. The kids need a good machine so this cpu and a cheap board is in their cards.

 

[andiey]

As a user of a 5600X i would say that I thought the 3300X was my favorite AM4 CPU until I got the 5600X. This chip I am sure can run at 4.8 GHZ all day at reasonable voltage (Like 1.25 to 1.35). It only pulls (HWInfo64) 67 Watts at maximum. That means that on my 280 Cooler Master Nepton the temp has never gone above 49 C. Even after like 4 hours of serious Gaming. The thing though is if you really want t enjoy the 5600X you must have a high refresh rate monitor and a proper GPU at least a 5600XT from last Gen but I bet it will be best paired with a 6000 series or 3000 Nvidia series to really see what it can do.

My friend just told me after running cinebench, his 5600X was holding at 43℃ and he is using Noctua air cooler only. This cpu really shines.

^^

It will be nice when they are readily available! It’s what I wanted to buy, but settled with what I have now. The kids need a good machine so this cpu and a cheap board is in their cards.

Maybe this whole scalpers business will make most of us wait for something even better. There will most likely be a 3070 Ti, given that $400, $500, $700 the gap in between $500 and $700. Nvidia must have something to fill the gap.

 

[Vario]

I went to a 9900K from an 8600K this weekend. The 9900K was $299 at Microcenter, seemed reasonable. Might be something to consider. Otherwise you may as well wait until DDR5 and newer CPUs start releasing. Its likely the new competition from AMD will drive Intel to design a worthy competitor in the next round. 9600K isn't obsolete yet, my 8600K sure wasn't.

 

[Gwenved]

Really?

I think it will be the closest fight between the two vendors then.


Ok, point taken.

I'll save all the money for the graphics card then when the stock resumes normal.

By the way, any car racing games you folks recommend? Is GRID better than DiRT?


With high-end cards is because the card works so fast that the CPU needs to catch up thus more processing power is needed.


I thought 3600 actually falls back to the performance of 3000...?

Hi Andiey, I have both and I prefer Dirt Rally, as I prefer Project Cars 2 than Grid, then Assetto Corsa ( A fantastic successor of GTR and GTR2) and F1 2020 for sim racing. A good friend prefers iRacing because he's playing in VR mode, but for me Assetto is really a masterpiece ( actually, let see in the future). Do you have a good wheel and pedals set??

 

[andiey]

I went to a 9900K from an 8600K this weekend. The 9900K was $299 at Microcenter, seemed reasonable. Might be something to consider. Otherwise you may as well wait until DDR5 and newer CPUs start releasing. Its likely the new competition from AMD will drive Intel to design a worthy competitor in the next round. 9600K isn't obsolete yet, my 8600K sure wasn't.

I envy you , you got the deal for a 9900K LOL
I love to get one also if only I could sell my 9600K.
So any significant rise in FPS?

Hi Andiey, I have both and I prefer Dirt Rally, as I prefer Project Cars 2 than Grid, then Assetto Corsa ( A fantastic successor of GTR and GTR2) and F1 2020 for sim racing. A good friend prefers iRacing because he's playing in VR mode, but for me Assetto is really a masterpiece ( actually, let see in the future). Do you have a good wheel and pedals set??

That's what I'm asking next: do they all need a racing wheel? Which ones can I play with keyboard? I've heard about all of them except Assetto, definitely check it out on youtube

Hi Andiey, I have both and I prefer Dirt Rally, as I prefer Project Cars 2 than Grid, then Assetto Corsa ( A fantastic successor of GTR and GTR2) and F1 2020 for sim racing. A good friend prefers iRacing because he's playing in VR mode, but for me Assetto is really a masterpiece ( actually, let see in the future). Do you have a good wheel and pedals set??

This one

Cool! It's like one of the Namco football game I played ages ago. There are commentators makes the game super immersive. It looks quite simple graphics wise .

I thought about DiRT but don't know if it's hardcore. I don't like too arcade either, something in between would be the best for me.

This is the Corsair RAM kit I've got. It's only 3000MHz CL15. I recall that was said to be the best in Nov 2019 for Intel based system.
I photographed this to seek your advice. It's a 2015 versiin, is it outdated?

Also, it's rev (revision?) AC, does it mean something we enthusiasts need to know?

 

[Vario]

I envy you , you got the deal for a 9900K LOL
I love to get one also if only I could sell my 9600K.
So any significant rise in FPS?


That's what I'm asking next: do they all need a racing wheel? Which ones can I play with keyboard? I've heard about all of them except Assetto, definitely check it out on youtube


This one

Cool! It's like one of the Namco football game I played ages ago. There are commentators makes the game super immersive. It looks quite simple graphics wise .

I thought about DiRT but don't know if it's hardcore. I don't like too arcade either, something in between would be the best for me.

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This is the Corsair RAM kit I've got. It's only 3000MHz CL15. I recall that was said to be the best in Nov 2019 for Intel based system.
I photographed this to seek your advice. It's a 2015 versiin, is it outdated?

Also, it's rev (revision?) AC, does it mean something we enthusiasts need to know?

Honestly, I'm going to return the 9900K. First one I bought had a defective IMC that wouldn't run anything over JEDEC. Second one uses 200 watts even at 4GHz, so it throttles constantly down to 3.6GHz. At 3.6 GHz it doesn't perform any better than the 8600K for the games I play. I'd rather have the 8600K and $300 in my wallet. These things are junk, go for the AMD. Maybe in the early days before the 9900KS binning, there were good ones that did 5GHz @1.2V and low watts but I wonder if any remaining ones have been binned out so any new 9900K, you might be stuck with 4.5GHz and 1.38V 200 Watt junk. I'd rather have my i5 with good IMC that sips on 60W of power, stays at 50*C, and gets reasonable frame rate at 4.6GHz @ 1.18V. When the core count thread count limitation becomes a problem I'll just go for something else at that time. Unless you get a good 9900K, these things are basically the equivalent to the dead on arrival FX 9590. I didn't spend $300 to run at 3.6GHz.

 

[Nordic]

Not always true. I replaced my GTX 780ti not because of it not having enough performance, but because 3 GB of VRAM was no longer enough. It was upgraded to a 1070. So the top of the line GTX 700 card was made insufficient within 2 generations

Here I am with a 1060 3gb and not running out of vram. It does depend on the games you play.

 

[freeagent]

Yup. Still rippin 1080p/60 with a 980.. runs great! Missing some features the new cards have, but still has some grunt.. though not much when you look at benchmarks lol.

 

[EarthDog]

Here I am with a 1060 3gb and not running out of vram. It does depend on the games you play.

1060 is a budget card and not really part of his point.

 

[Nordic]

1060 is a budget card and not really part of his point.

3gb of memory is the same though. I disagree that 3gb of memory makes the 780 insufficient.

 

[EarthDog]

3gb of memory is the same though. I disagree that 3gb of memory makes the 780 insufficient.

It does when you have the horsepower to 'use' more. If it was a 4GB or even 6GB (overkill at the time for sure, the latter) it would be even better now. Just to cover yourself today no way I would go less than 4GB vRAM.

 

[tussinman]

3gb of memory is the same though. I disagree that 3gb of memory makes the 780 insufficient.

It does when you have the horsepower to 'use' more.

Cards like the 780 and the budget version of the 1060 don't really have the horsepower to push more so it wouldn't matter if those cards had 12GB of Vram.

Kinda like how the difference between the 570 4gb vs 570 8gb is hardly any difference. 1060 3gb will still present day go toe to toe performance wise with the 8gb version of the 570 since the 570 doesn't have the horsepower to use more

The words Vram and bottlenecking get thrown around way too much. 90% of people who complain about bottlenecking don't have a signficant bottlenecking and the people that complain about not having enough Vram are shocker running cards that have lower vram because there present day budget options both price and horsepower wise

 

[Vario]

If you experience limitation because of VRAM, lowering texture settings will help. The game will play the same unless you get more enjoyment from pretty pictures.

 

[andiey]

Honestly, I'm going to return the 9900K. First one I bought had a defective IMC that wouldn't run anything over JEDEC. Second one uses 200 watts even at 4GHz, so it throttles constantly down to 3.6GHz. At 3.6 GHz it doesn't perform any better than the 8600K for the games I play. I'd rather have the 8600K and $300 in my wallet. These things are junk, go for the AMD. Maybe in the early days before the 9900KS binning, there were good ones that did 5GHz @1.2V and low watts but I wonder if any remaining ones have been binned out so any new 9900K, you might be stuck with 4.5GHz and 1.38V 200 Watt junk. I'd rather have my i5 with good IMC that sips on 60W of power, stays at 50*C, and gets reasonable frame rate at 4.6GHz @ 1.18V. When the core count thread count limitation becomes a problem I'll just go for something else at that time. Unless you get a good 9900K, these things are basically the equivalent to the dead on arrival FX 9590. I didn't spend $300 to run at 3.6GHz.

I hope you didn't buy a second handed one did you?

Yup. Still rippin 1080p/60 with a 980.. runs great! Missing some features the new cards have, but still has some grunt.. though not much when you look at benchmarks lol.

It really depends on what games you play. One day, you will find it eventually necessary to upgrade though. But by then you might not want to play pc games anymore

If you experience limitation because of VRAM, lowering texture settings will help. The game will play the same unless you get more enjoyment from pretty pictures.

I would rather not playing the game totally. Lowering texture means less eye candies, no way for me

 

[EarthDog]

Cards like the 780 and the budget version of the 1060 don't really have the horsepower to push more so it wouldn't matter if those cards had 12GB of Vram.

You should consider reading on for more context...................

 

[tussinman]

You should consider reading on for more context...................

I did read it.

You where saying the 780 might be better off today if it had more Vram and I was merely pointing out that Vram is kinda moot on these older cards and even gave the example that the 1060 3gb, 570 4gb, and 570 8GB all benchmark within a couple percent of each other present day even with the large Vram difference between the 3.

You said the 3gb is insufficent if the card has the horsepower to use more which the 780 doesn't