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Help to decide - 3200 CL16 / 3600 CL16?

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saarxee

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I going maybe to buy kit of 64GB ram.
The memory module is Z Royal which is a very good for overclocking (I think)
and the price difference between them is 100$.

The processor is 5900X so.. it efficient more with 3600?
I can overclock the 3200 to 3600 CL16 maybe?
This kits are supported by the mobo in the Gskill QVL site... (X570 Taichi)
 
That sounds like you are going to use all 4 DIMM slots. My thought process is to get the 3600 16. Even though the MB may be able to OC to 3600 from 3200 I doubt that you will see 16 timings. 3600 is the best speed for AM4 as it gives a 1 to 1 FCLK (1800 mhz). The other option would be to get the 3200 set and try to downclock them to 14 timings. I know you may be set on Royal Z but Adata D60G RAM are also good and the whole heat spreader is ARGB.

ADATA XPG Spectrix D60G RGB 16GB DDR4-3600 CL18 Dual Channel Kit (2x 8GB), Tungsten Grey - PC4-28800 DDR4 3600 - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com www.memoryexpress.com
 
I bought 2 3200 CL14 kits and am running at 3800 CL14. One set of my mixed setup are Royals, and the other are their Black and Whites.

Just saw you want 64GB.. sorry cant help you there :)
 
kapone32 said:
That sounds like you are going to use all 4 DIMM slots. My thought process is to get the 3600 16. Even though the MB may be able to OC to 3600 from 3200 I doubt that you will see 16 timings. 3600 is the best speed for AM4 as it gives a 1 to 1 FCLK (1800 mhz). The other option would be to get the 3200 set and try to downclock them to 14 timings. I know you may be set on Royal Z but Adata D60G RAM are also good and the whole heat spreader is ARGB.

ADATA XPG Spectrix D60G RGB 16GB DDR4-3600 CL18 Dual Channel Kit (2x 8GB), Tungsten Grey - PC4-28800 DDR4 3600 - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com www.memoryexpress.com
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umm not sure. I can buy 2X32GB sticks of 3200 CL16.
but if in the future I will upgrade to 128GB and buy same sticks.. not sure if that works properly.
And the D60G is CL18.. not very good.
Some people told the best for AM4 is maybe 3800 or 4000.

freeagent said:
I bought 2 3200 CL14 kits and am running at 3800 CL14. One set of my mixed setup are Royals, and the other are their Black and Whites.

Just saw you want 64GB.. sorry cant help you there :)
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The royals worth that? really beauty?
 
Hi,
You really don't have to get the royal line any b-die which is 3600c16 will do fine on amd or intel.
3200c16 is not a good set period, total waste of money at what ever price except maybe free.
You don't show a region so just use that app for amount and brand.
B-Die Finder
 
ThrashZone said:
Hi,
You really don't have to get the royal line any b-die which is 3600c16 will do fine on amd or intel.
3200c16 is not a good set period, total waste of money at what ever price except maybe free.
You don't show a region so just use that app for amount and brand.
B-Die Finder
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I dont understand you..
The design of the royals is fine and he support with my mobo on QVL so why not? The Taichi have short list of RAMs..
 
saarxee said:
I dont understand you..
The design of the royals is fine and he support with my mobo on QVL so why not? The Taichi have short list of RAMs..
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Hi,
Thought I was pretty clear
Royal line might be more than other trident z series is all, mine are either black on black or white on silver but none are rgb but they perform great.
If you like the royals then buy them.
 
I don't know if they are worth it.. They are my first set of DDR4 sticks. They had the speed and timings I was looking for. Price was a little higher then the others but I'm worth it :) My original plan was to have a 5000 series CPU, and my kids would get this one with a cheap board and the black and whites. Those B+Ws are rated for the same speed and timings. They just don't clock as nice.. and were a lot cheaper.

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I am running 4x8GB at 1900 14-15-15-35 1.5v because my B+Ws cant do that speed at 14-14-14-34 like my Royals can @ the same voltage.
 
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Hi,
Bottom line 3200c16 is garbage
3200c14 yeah this one is a nice kit.
 
ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Bottom line 3200c16 is garbage
3200c14 yeah this one is a nice kit.
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This. For ex. 3200c14=3600c16 but 3200c16 is not only much slower but guaranteed hynix or other lower tier IC.
saarxee said:
But it doesnt appear in the QVL of gskill site.. only 3200 cl16 and 3600 cl16
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It may sound strange but I don't ever bother looking at them, instead I focus on getting quality IC and stick to good brands like g.skill.
 
Go for some 3600MHz CL16 kit. And it doesn’t have to be super tight timings.
A CL16-18-18-18-36/38 would be just fine. Or even CL16-19-19-19-38...

Unless you have money to throw and go for 3600MHz CL16-16-16-16-36 or even a 3600MHz CL14. Crazy money without really have the same perf increase. On real life performance I mean and not just memory benchmarks.
 
Zach_01 said:
Go for some 3600MHz CL16 kit. And it doesn’t have to be super tight timings.
A CL16-18-18-18-36/38 would be just fine. Or even CL16-19-19-19-38...

Unless you have money to throw and go for 3600MHz CL16-16-16-16-36 or even a 3600MHz CL14. Crazy money without really have the same perf increase. On real life performance I mean and not just memory benchmarks.
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Black Friday was a good time to buy :)
 
Wasn't it recently discussed across some reviews that the Zen3 architecture does better with 4 DIMMs over 2, and dual-rank DIMMs actually offer greater peak bandwidth? I recall it was a point of huge debate for a while because of the discrepancies between different reviewers. Some reviewers pointed to a lower average IPC gain for Zen3 as a result, leading to confused poo-pooing of the CPU. Meanwhile, the "32GB 1600MHz CL16" RAM each was employing was the issue. Was it 4x8GB, 2x16GB, single or dual rank, optimized or just XMP profiled?

For speeds and latency, I'm pretty sure 3600MHz CL16 will be a good bet. I would stick to 4 DIMMs. And, I personally think the simpler the better. LEDs are the loudest thing ever, and they'll slap them on everything up to a ham sandwich. They add unnecessary expenses and points of failure. That said... Them G.SKILL Trident Z Royal are reeeaal peerrrrty hahaha
 
And to add on the RGB matter...
The software for controlling RGB is the worst ever made. Causing issues, from not letting CPU to fall to low C-States up to system crashes. I literally hate them...
 
crimsontape said:
Wasn't it recently discussed across some reviews that the Zen3 architecture does better with 4 DIMMs over 2, and dual-rank DIMMs actually offer greater peak bandwidth? I recall it was a point of huge debate for a while because of the discrepancies between different reviewers. Some reviewers pointed to a lower average IPC gain for Zen3 as a result, leading to confused poo-pooing of the CPU. Meanwhile, the "32GB 1600MHz CL16" RAM each was employing was the issue. Was it 4x8GB, 2x16GB, single or dual rank, optimized or just XMP profiled?

For speeds and latency, I'm pretty sure 3600MHz CL16 will be a good bet. I would stick to 4 DIMMs. And, I personally think the simpler the better. LEDs are the loudest thing ever, and they'll slap them on everything up to a ham sandwich. They add unnecessary expenses and points of failure. That said... Them G.SKILL Trident Z Royal are reeeaal peerrrrty hahaha
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2x Dual rank, or 4x single rank. And it benefits both Intel and AMD. Best way to get the performance boost is to get 2x16GB DIMMs (32GB) as the 16GB dimms are almost all dual rank - I would verify that on the specific kit though. You also have lower latencies accessing different ranks on the same dimm vs going back and forth between DIMMs (this becomes apparent if you mess with sub-timings a bit). Whether it benefits or not, depends on the benchmark / application being run.

I'm not sure of the effect of going 64GB with 4x 16GB DIMMs though, there may be a performance penalty there with more memory transactions to different DIMMs. More is not always better.
 
80-watt Hamster said:
At what point did 10ns memory become crap?
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Happened on Dec 7th 2020 during a power outage at a Micron factory. Sanjay Mehrotra immediately declared DDR4-3200 CL16 and slower to be crap.

/s
 
The gains from four sticks over two are pretty noticeable in some benchmarks, I really have to lean on this thing to get 2 sticks to perform close to 4.

If you run your 4 sticks of CL16 at 1900 or so you can get some really good performance. Even more so if you put in a little time to tune it.

Crazy good.
 
saarxee said:
I going maybe to buy kit of 64GB ram.
The memory module is Z Royal which is a very good for overclocking (I think)
and the price difference between them is 100$.

The processor is 5900X so.. it efficient more with 3600?
I can overclock the 3200 to 3600 CL16 maybe?
This kits are supported by the mobo in the Gskill QVL site... (X570 Taichi)
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How is this a question? Unless you really NEED 64GB, buy a 32GB 3600mhz kit. If you do need the 64GB, spend the extra money on the 3600mhz kit. It's worth it for any task that will actually use that much RAM.
 
Your wasting your money in every aspect.
Outside video/photo editing/rendering/benchmarks etc, your not gonna see big gains for things like gaming.
for 64gb its gonna be at least four sticks (SR), or two sticks in DR, which will increase bandwidth, but add latency/"delay" vs 2 SR stick's (of lesser cap)
and it can make it harder on some boards to go past 2933/3200 (2 sticks DR, or 4 sticks SR)'
unless this changed with zen3.

outside that, most 5xxx cpus will allow 2000mhz for FCLK, and able to run ram at 2ghz as well (and 1:1 ratio)
so a two stick (SR) 16gb-4000 kit makes more sense, would be faster on clock and gain some fps.

and a (not top grade) b die kit is about 100-30$, and runs fine at lower speed with tighter timings if needed,
before i took rig apart (case/upgrades), i got 15-15-15-15/1T@1.34v (incl much better 2nd/3rd timings as well).

and dont worry about qvl or "quality" brands.
my +300$ board will not post with any gskill kit (qvl), but all the "stay away from" /non qvl corsair veng/pro kits i tried, ran at xmp/better, and didn't require 1.35 just to post with 2133 speeds like the gskills.

Not saying i wouldnt check if its on there, but i have seen enough times where being on qvl means "nothing" for stability.

i would recommend buying HCI (deluxe, so u can make a bootable usb), check to 100% with auto settings/jedec specs,
then use xmp/manually set tmings/voltage, and run hci to min 400% (16gb), better to 1000% overnight.


Patriot Viper Blackout
Steel series is same kit with different color, get whatever is cheaper (got mine for 90$).

edit to shorten..
 
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freeagent said:
The gains from four sticks over two are pretty noticeable in some benchmarks, I really have to lean on this thing to get 2 sticks to perform close to 4.

If you run your 4 sticks of CL16 at 1900 or so you can get some really good performance. Even more so if you put in a little time to tune it.

Crazy good.
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It's not 4 sticks, it's four ranks. It doesn't matter the number of sticks.
 
thesmokingman said:
It's not 4 sticks, it's four ranks. It doesn't matter the number of sticks.
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4 sticks can either be dual rank, quad rank, 4 sticks != quad rank.
 
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Yes but, 4 sticks could also mean 8 ranks and complicate things... The performance uplift is with a total of 4 ranks or 2 ranks/channel. So stick count is (?)irrelevant
Speaking with ranks is the proper way.
 
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